#dev 2018-07-16

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dougbeal Anyone capture a http stream from production site and replay it against development site?
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KartikPrabhu not sure what that means
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+6) "try emoji plus podcasts for topitem" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+14) "two liner?" (view diff)
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jalcine dougbeal: you mean like using VCR (in Ruby) or exVCR (in Elixir)?
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jalcine https://relishapp.com/vcr/vcr/docs
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jalcine it's a really handy way to test web flows
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jalcine KartikPrabhu: ^ if you're interested
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-48) "shorter, IWC SF hack day" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+13) "dweb too" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-4) "hackers day" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (+3) "IWC SF Hack day is next" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu still not sure what it means though
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/move () "moved [[events/2018-07-31-dweb-indieweb-hack-day]] to [[2018/SF]] over redirect: making this our IWC SF for the year unless people that show up want another one later too!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/delete () "Tantek.com deleted redirect [[2018/SF]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[events/2018-07-31-dweb-indieweb-hack-day]]"" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /latergram (+323) "prompted by tantek__ and dfn added by tantek__" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /latergram (+27) "tantek__ added "[[TBT]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /on_this_day (+704) "/* Brainstorming */ Impact on posting behavior" (view diff)
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tantek__ !tell eddie,cleverdevil since you've implemented and use an /On_This_Day feature on your own website, has it changed your posting behavior at all? E.g. https://indieweb.org/on_this_day#Impact_on_posting_behavior
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dougbeal jalcine: yes, tools like that and nginx mirror plugin
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jalcine redraw
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jalcine ack
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jalcine so like with a HTTP replay tool, you can _mock_ the HTTP requests and responses you'd make by capturing the output (and input) of that flow
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jalcine it's kinda like recording a session in the browser
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dougbeal I was thinkin more like I run into an error, so capture the http stream, clone the database, spin up a dev instance and start working on fixing it, with the ability to replay the error trigger on demand
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dougbeal I can see the next step being anonymizing and spinning it into a test
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dougbeal Hurm, with docker you could record the stream of each microservice, and when developing, just spin up the part you want to change and replay the rest
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dougbeal.com edited /tools (+76) "/* Other Tools */" (view diff)
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[miklb] what is alt text
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Loqi alt is a required attribute of the <img> element and should be provided in any use of images on indieweb pages from photo posts to featured and other images in articles https://indieweb.org/alt_text
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[miklb] do any micropub photo posting tools support alt text?
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aaronpk Quill does
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KartikPrabhu hmm not sure alt is a required attribute
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aaronpk I thought it was which is why you see all the examples with an empty alt attribute
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[miklb] thanks [aaronpk] I’ll just post a new image from there to see if/where that is passed to WordPress
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/images.html#alt the spec says alt should always be specified and should not be empty
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KartikPrabhu so <shrug> spec vs practice
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aaronpk lol
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: see also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/img#Omitting%20this%20attribute
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gRegorLove The spec gives examples where you'd set alt=""
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gRegorLove e.g. company name in text with a logo beside it
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tantek__ what is a gist
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Loqi gist is a tool by GitHub for posting code snippets online at https://gist.github.com https://indieweb.org/gist
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peterstuifzand.nl edited /code (+132) "/* Code Snippet Hosting */ add example" (view diff)
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[pfefferle] good morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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[pfefferle] is there a best practice for Webmention status page? https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#receiving-webmentions
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@dialogCRM ↩️ In other news I'm just catching up with https://indieweb.org/Webmention that seems like a way to capture social media style commenting? unless I read that too fast :) (twitter.com/_/status/1018766549274902529)
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aaronpk There should be some examples of webmention status pages on the wiki
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aaronpk Hm that isn't as fleshed out as I thought https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#Implementations
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:webmention-io-status-page-html.png "https://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention/Ti6bfuEvKFf8SSyAZyI2 https://indieweb.org/File:webmention-io-status-page-html.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:webmention-io-status-page-json.png "<pre>curl -H "Accept: application/json" https://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention/Ti6bfuEvKFf8SSyAZyI2</pre> https://indieweb.org/File:webmention-io-status-page-json.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:telegraph-webmention-sending-status.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:telegraph-webmention-sending-status.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:telegraph-list-of-webmentions-sent.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:telegraph-list-of-webmentions-sent.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:telegraph-webmention-sent-error.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:telegraph-webmention-sent-error.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /Telegraph (+285) "add some screenshots" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention-brainstorming (+1984) "add new "status page" section on top, move implementation list there since that's what they were, add more examples" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention-brainstorming (+0) "move TOC to bottom" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Here is my old to-do list page. I moved to a post so I could send myself webmentions and hold @jgmac1106 publicly accountable for productivity. I am not going to port over the comments so figured this is easiest way to bring it all together. Also on: http://jgregorymcverry.com/4428-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018843127459835904)
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sknebel does it make sense to use HTTP status codes for the status URL, or is standardized content better?
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aaronpk HTTP status codes can only indicate a few different kinds of errors
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aaronpk but if you look at the errors that webmention.io reports it won't fit in a status code
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sknebel status could at least signal "come back later, not done yet", "success", "failure". but i guess fetching and parsing json isn't really more effort
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aaronpk plus there isn't really an http status code for "not done yet" / "pending"
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here is where I am tracking my page http://jgregorymcverry.com/my-to-do-list/. Trying to hold myself accountable and will use webmentions to keep track of tasks. One day I will convince @martijnvdven to build me a tomato-timer micropub client to make it even cooler. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4432-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1018855027304222721)
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@keithjgrant An introduction to Webmentions from @aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention https://t.co/zOwX98pomK (twitter.com/_/status/1018861590744129537)
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aaronpk why is there a giant picture of tom on that tweet?
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Webmention enables a LOT of possibilities, at the root it is just a decentralized notification from one website to another. Currently, the best and most common use case is social media style responses (replies, likes, emoji reactions, and listen posts). (https://eddiehinkle.com/) (twitter.com/_/status/1018863031273566210)
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aaronpk oh no, cause he was the first "like" on the page so he has the first picture on that page
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aaronpk I gotta remember to always add a featured image
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[snarfed] 😆
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[eddie] 😆
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Loqi [eddie]: tantek__ left you a message 13 hours, 8 minutes ago: since you've implemented and use an /On_This_Day feature on your own website, has it changed your posting behavior at all? E.g. https://indieweb.org/on_this_day#Impact_on_posting_behavior
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sknebel aaronpk: you sure? but that's not a twitter preview (which would have the card and all?)?
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aaronpk whatever keith used to post that tweet pulled out tom's photo and created a photo on twitter
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sknebel sure. but you have images in your post, so who knows if you having a featured image would have fixed anything
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sknebel unless you know that "whatever" he used is broken in that specific way?
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aaronpk i've seen that before
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aaronpk it's almost certainly broken that way
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aaronpk usually these things look for the first photo larger than some certain dimensions
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aaronpk and the pictures in my post are < 100px tall
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aaronpk tom's photo is 256px square
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aaronpk there, added the webmention.rocks graphic so hopefully that will be used now instead
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[eddie] !tell tantek: Interesting, great notes. On This Day hasn't really changed my behavior. I was already focused on importing historical posts and such.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@schnarfed New side project! Baffle lets you use Microsub reader apps with traditional feed readers like @NewsBlur and @Feedly. https://snarfed.org/2018-07-16_introducing-baffle (twitter.com/_/status/1018888972150267908)
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@evertp New blog post: Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://ift.tt/2NSTPvP (twitter.com/_/status/1018891924906872833)
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@PhatInman Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018895455395164161)
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@JSaarinn Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018895911047622659)
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@WhitcroftP Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018896317538594822)
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KartikPrabhu are those retweets?
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aaronpk copytweets
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aaronpk or bot tweets
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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@SeanDussert Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018896677275602944)
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@markusstaab ↩️ If I get it right, a webmention on your blog will be shown on followup tweets, right? If so you could use a inline „create a tweet“ form below your articles, so everyone with a twitter account can comment... Just an idea. (twitter.com/_/status/1018897351195463680)
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@markusstaab ↩️ @evertp I guess your webmentions dont work on ipad right now? https://t.co/VqYj5Jj3lh (twitter.com/_/status/1018897689784745986)
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@planetphp Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! - Evert Pot http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/bijsterespoor/~3/0YgVnow2UeY/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018899317535502336)
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@YingMeiHu Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! - Evert Pot http://dlvr.it/QblDW1 https://t.co/6qkE2ZU5Bf (twitter.com/_/status/1018899581206069248)
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@phpconference Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://ift.tt/2Ld4z9U (twitter.com/_/status/1018899837977317376)
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@sarajweb Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! - Evert Pot https://ift.tt/2Ld4z9U (twitter.com/_/status/1018900524937211904)
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@sarfraznawaz New #PHP Post: Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! https://ift.tt/2Ld4z9U (twitter.com/_/status/1018900672249548807)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Yeah trying to hold myself to my to do list and move on from my “any random scrap of paper” for long term self-evaluation. If I can get a webmentions, Pomodoro Technique workflow sorted I will be stoked. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/howiroll/) (twitter.com/_/status/1018900941171552263)
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[grantcodes] For my photo album micropub client I set an individual photos `published` date to the date from the photo metadata but this isn't really correct, I will probably change it to `created` but there's not much documentation on if that is correct or not.
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[grantcodes] And I cannot find it at all on the microformats wiki
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KartikPrabhu [grantcodes]: yeha I don't think dt-created is a microformats property "officially"
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[grantcodes] It's also very hard to search for 😛
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@vform Webmention is a web standard (W3C) for mentions and conversations across the web "an @ mention that works across websites" https://indieweb.org/Webmention; and a short ~testimonial https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ Pretty cool. Probably... :) (twitter.com/_/status/1018914231910051840)
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@codi_ar Bye Disqus, hello Webmention! - Evert Pot https://buff.ly/2NUUrRO #PHP #dev (twitter.com/_/status/1018919193910095873)
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@pmjones Interesting "replacement" for comments and pingbacks: https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018920138949709825)
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dgold quick question that (might) have a longer answer
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dgold how does one go about moving webmentions from one domain to another?
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aaronpk you mean like moving your comments?
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aaronpk the same way you'd go about moving any data from one site to another?
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dgold i mean: I have many mentions on my site. SOme from indie sites, others backfeeds via bridgy
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aaronpk where are they stored?
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dgold currently - on your service and in a morris db
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aaronpk ah, well there's no way to move them in webmention.io
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aaronpk what is morris?
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Loqi Morris is a self-hosted PHP service for storing Webmentions from webmention.io in a JSON format that static sites can use to render them without querying webmention.io on each build https://indieweb.org/Morris
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aaronpk so that just writes them into a file that a static site builder can use? sounds like that doesn't really care what domain it's on
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dgold yes, I'm looking at that now
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dgold but thanks for answering the first part - there's no way to change it on wm.io
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dougbeal What is webfinger
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Loqi WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web that uses email address-like identifiers to get info about users https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
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dougbeal should this test if webfinger delegation is working? https://dougbeal.com/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:dougbeal@dougbeal.com
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dgold https://client.webfinger.net/lookup?resource=dougbeal%40dougbeal.com
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dgold https://client.webfinger.net/lookup?resource=acct:dougbeal%40dougbeal.com
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aaronpk that webfinger.net one isn't updated for the new json stuff I think
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dgold https://willnorris.com/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:will@willnorris.com
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dgold seems to provide a .json response
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aaronpk oh hm
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aaronpk I remember having trouble with it when I was testing stuff, oh well
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dougbeal .well-known redirect isn't working https://github.com/dougbeal/docker-dougbeal.com/blob/master/webserver-wordpress/conf.d/wordpress.conf
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aaronpk I don't think .well-known can be a direct
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aaronpk I stand corrected, webfinger allows it to be a redirect https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7033#section-4.2
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dougbeal following snarfed directions at https://fed.brid.gy
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snarfed good luck :P
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aaronpk heh
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dougbeal https://dougbeal.com/.well-known/test.html works, so letsencrypt shouldn't be broken
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aaronpk are you sure the new nginx config is loaded?
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dougbeal pretyy sure, going to turn on rewrite_log, which should make it clear
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dougbeal snarfed: does snarfed.org delegate webfinger to fed.bridgy?
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dougbeal maybe the location is causing problems? It is allowed...
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gRegorLove What is Thimble?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Thimble" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Thimble is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Thimble is an online code editor to publish web pages and learn HTML, CSS, and Javascript https://thimble.mozilla.org
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Thimble (+145) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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dougbeal Ah, location was the problem, bumped it up a level and it worked
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dougbeal Ok, WebSub plugin next
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[jgarber] Question about Section 3.1 in in the IndieAuth spec (https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#x3-1-user-profile-url):
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[jgarber] The example URLs include `https://example.com/`, but _not_ `https://example.com` (without the final slash).
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[jgarber] > Users are identified by a [URL]. Profile URLs MUST have either an `https` or `http` scheme, MUST contain a path component (`/` is a valid path) [etc. etc. etc.]
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[jgarber] Is `https://example.com` a “valid” URL for the purposes of this spec?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk there's a whole thing about that
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[jgarber] No doubt.
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[jgarber] Is that thing somewhere in the spec that I haven’t gotten to yet?
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aaronpk no it's right there
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aaronpk you quoted it already :)
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aaronpk "MUST contain a path component"
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dougbeal Upgraded to 400 bad request on webfinger.net
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[jgarber] So if a user provides `https://example.com` as their profile URL, then a compliant implementation would reject that URL as invalid?
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aaronpk no https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redirect-examples
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[jgarber] Ah, fantastic! Hadn’t gotten that far in the spec yet.
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aaronpk it's not strictly part of the spec, but the client can assume "http" and "/" if a bare domain is entered
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aaronpk and those examples walk through all the different ways that can turn out
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[jgarber] Perfect.
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[jgarber] Derp, that’s literally the next section in the spec. Soooooorry.
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dougbeal would a rel-me link for mastadon be a webfinger?
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dougbeal Hurm, maybe I don't really want federation, just POSSE to @dougbeal@xoxo.zon
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dougbeal e
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aaronpk federation is better!
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aaronpk but harder
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dougbeal What does a successful setup look like if I search from mastadon?
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dougbeal I saw xoxo.zone hit my webserver, but it decided 0 results
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aaronpk I think the bridgy fed docs get you to the point of showing up in search
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aaronpk but also mastodon caches stuff super aggressively so it's not really useful for testing stuff
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aaronpk I had to make 3 different accounts in order to get my stuff working
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aaronpk just to have enough different servers to test with to avoid their caching
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dougbeal Couldn't find a <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing">representative h-card</a> on http://dougbeal.com/
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aaronpk say what?
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dougbeal Would only have https://dougbeal.com in my hcard be a problem?
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dougbeal thats a fed.bridgy error
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aaronpk ah. I don't know about that
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dougbeal If the previous step didn't find a representative hCard, then the first hCard with a "url" property that also has the rel="me" relation is the representative hCard for the page.
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dougbeal would that be a rel="me" that matchs the url?
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dougbeal also could it be a problem that rel="me" are not in the hcard?, http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F
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dougbeal What is hcard
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Loqi h-card is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up people, organizations, and venues on web sites https://indieweb.org/hCard
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dougbeal yeah, https://indiewebify.me doesn't like where the email link is
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dougbeal Yep, if I use http - https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com - I get the same error with more info!
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dougbeal indiewebify.me++
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Loqi indiewebify.me has 1 karma
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@baskindev https://evertpot.com/bye-disqus-hello-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018950706236149761)
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dougbeal snarfed: if I add a syndication link to a mastodon account, will fed.bridgy retoot?
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dougbeal ohh, boost, I guess
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snarfed dougbeal: i don't follow "add a syndication link to a mastodon account"...but you can use bridgy fed to boost with u-repost-of a toot url
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dougbeal I guess I would want to POSSE boosts to @dougbeal@xoxo.zone?
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dougbeal Maybe WebSub isn't setup right...
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snarfed yeah bridgy fed just federates. posseing to mastodon is a whole different thing.
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dougbeal How long should it take to discover a repoost
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snarfed websub is unrelated to either
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snarfed discover? are we still talking federating with bridgy fed? or something else?
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dougbeal Sorry, back to getting it working.
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dougbeal I have reposted your first toot, and sent @dougbeal.com@dougbeal.com an emoji from @dougbeal@xoxo.zone
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snarfed ok!
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dougbeal The repost/boost should show up in the brigy fedeeration logs?
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snarfed everything is realtime, no polling, so if it didn't work within at most 20-30s, it probably didn't work period
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gRegorLove what is boost?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "boost" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "boost is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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snarfed yes, outbound (from your site) requests are in https://fed.brid.gy/responses , and i think inbound too
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dougbeal What is WebSub
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Loqi WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH, and briefly PubSub) is a notification-based protocol for web publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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dougbeal Does the WebSub hub matter?
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snarfed dougbeal: only for mastodon to discover your own original posts on your site. https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1441#issuecomment-302969948
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Loqi [Gargron] >an Atom feed with activitystream data Just an Atom feed will do too, but it needs to contain a link to a Pubsubhubbub hub >webfinger support Yes. Link to Atom feed, link to profile, link to salmon, magic key >an XRD at .well-known/host-...
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snarfed (which you may or may not care about)
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dougbeal So a boost should work regardless
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snarfed dougbeal: i don't see any webmentions from your site to bridgy fed
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snarfed i see the emoji from xoxo.zone, looking more
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dougbeal Oh, right, adding a syndication link doesn't send a webmention
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snarfed as for the incoming emoji, it doesn't support mentions right now, just likes, replies, reposts
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snarfed (looks like the emoji was a mention, not a reply)
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dougbeal What is a manual webmention
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "manual webmention" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "manual webmention is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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snarfed we could definitely add mention support, feel free to file an issue, or even better send a PR :P
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snarfed manual webmention is curl
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /manual_webmention (+53) "prompted by dougbeal and dfn added by snarfed" (view diff)
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snarfed (probably didn't do what we want :P)
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gRegorLove haha
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gRegorLove what is curl
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Loqi cURL is a common Linux software library and command line used to get/send a file from/to a URL using only HTTP(S) https://indieweb.org/cURL
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dougbeal manual webmetion is [[Webmention-developer#How_to_send_webmentions_with_cURL]]
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dougbeal what is manual webmention
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Loqi manual webmention is curl https://indieweb.org/manual_webmention
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dougbeal manual webmetion is [[Webmention-developer#How_to_send_webmentions_with_cURL]]
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dougbeal doesn't like the anchor?
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snarfed ...or telegraph, or mention.tech, or ... :P
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gregorlove.com edited /manual_webmention (-35) "r" (view diff)
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gRegorLove it was already defined, can't redefine via Loq
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gRegorLove i
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dougbeal ah
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gRegorLove I redirected it to /cURL
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dougbeal What would happen if i added see also telegraph, mention.tech?
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dougbeal they would go to curl?
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gRegorLove They should, yeah
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gRegorLove Updating the redirect to webmention-developer is a good idea
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gregorlove.com edited /manual_webmention (+50) "update redirect" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is manual webmention
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Loqi This page documents technical details of Webmention, specifically for Webmention developers so they can support cross-site comments and other responses in their code, or on their site or service https://indieweb.org/manual_webmention
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dougbeal webmention sent
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snarfed hmm
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snarfed it sent it to mastodon and got a 202, but mastodon doesn't show who liked/reposted a toot, or at least i can't tell how (eg on https://mastodon.technology/@snarfed/3194674 ), so who knows if it actually happened. dougbeal maybe you can tell
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Working on connecting Mastodon with the #IndieWeb! https://fed.brid.gy/ https://snarfed.org/indieweb-ostatus-bridge
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snarfed alternatively try a more recent toot on a different instance. mastodon federation is finicky for all sorts of reasons i mostly don't understand :(
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[jgmac1106] ... Ugh I needed another itch..... I have to figure out fed.bridgy
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[jgmac1106] Pretty cool @snarfed
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snarfed heh thanks but honestly more trouble than it's worth (even as a user)
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: you don't use newsblur, do you?
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snarfed ooh congrats dougbeal you got it to 500
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dougbeal yay!?
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Loqi giggles
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dougbeal Oh, it doesn't like the array wrapped dict?
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[jgmac1106] [snarfed] is the best worst critic of all the cool stuff he builds
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snarfed wow yeah you have a big composite like-of. try just like-of a single url
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[jgmac1106] What is newsblur?
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Loqi NewsBlur is a traditional feed reader that aimed to replicate and replace Google Reader, also available for self-hosting: [1] https://indieweb.org/NewsBlur
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snarfed heh. basically everything i build is a hack that shouldn't exist if silos etc supported all the standards they ideally should
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snarfed is looking for https://baffle.tech/ testers
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[jgmac1106] No been using Inoreader, but want to take opportunity to clean my feeds
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dougbeal 404 if I try to follow @me@snarfed.org
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snarfed yeah i believe it. bridgy fed only federates likes, replies, boosts
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snarfed not follows, mentioned, etc
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[jgmac1106] Some I haven't groomed in ten years, others like my tech journalists are useless once tech journalism devolved into click bait
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snarfed PRs and issues welcome
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dougbeal hurm, I was abl to follow @dougbeal.com@dougeal.com
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[jgmac1106] [snarfed] as soon as my class is over will do LinkedIn PR
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snarfed dougbeal: oh it's @snarfed.org@snarfed.org
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: ?!?!? it's done?!
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snarfed oh you mean, implement it
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[jgmac1106] Refine I will fork it, finish, and then do PR. Need to get #IndieWeb grant to bed by 7/31
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[jgmac1106] Stupid jobby job gets in way of hobby job, thus effort to combine the two
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snarfed linkedin into bridgy will take weeks minimum. do real work first :P
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[jgmac1106] Yeah thinking I need to "sponsor" a challenge for our computer science club... And it just might be...
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dougbeal snarfed: search finds nothing
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dougbeal snarfed: I think webfinger is down?
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[jgmac1106] Oops wrong channel didn't realize we were chatting in dev
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snarfed probably
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dougbeal snarfed: Hurm, site seems to be working acording to websub.rocks, or would you expect the same error when a mastdonian follows my site?
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snarfed dougbeal: honestly i don't know. mastodon discovery/search of original posts on your site is beyond bridgy fed's scope, and complicated/finicky at best
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snarfed https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1441
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Loqi [raymestalez] #1441 What is necessary for Mastodon to be able to fetch my profile and a list of posts from my blog?
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/18
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Loqi [snarfed] #18 figure out user and post discovery
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dougbeal What was WebSub setup for, then?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WebSub setup for, then" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WebSub setup for, then is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal snarfed: as it stands now, there is now way to successfully interact between my site and mastodon? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.
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snarfed no, you can reply, like, and retweet both directions! that's what bridgy fed does. bridgy fed doesn't help mastodon instances see your *original posts* though
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snarfed (but fair, interactions from other mastodon users do depend on seeing your posts, which is unreliable at best)
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dougbeal snarfed: but right now the error I was seeing would prevent everything? That will happen with any mastodon instance?
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snarfed sorry, which error?
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dougbeal https://fed.brid.gy/log?start_time=1531777594&key=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2018%2F07%2F16%2Fryan-barrett-interesting-unintended-consequence-of-federation-mastodon-for-tech-folks%2F+https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.technology%2F%40snarfed%2F100119606571241751
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snarfed you did successfully repost a toot, at least as far as we/bridgy fed can tell
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snarfed ah no, that's just a bridgy fed bug, but earlier you sent a u-repost-of a plain url, which worked
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snarfed (bug or missing feature :P)
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dougbeal ok, likes broken, repost ok, guess I need to test reply?
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[snarfed] like of a plain url should work fine too
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[snarfed] feel free to file an issue for composite object support!
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GWG snarfed: I have a granary question for you.
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snarfed GWG: sure!
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GWG Can granary turn a Facebook page feed into mf2 or another sort of feed?
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GWG Or Group feed?
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snarfed i've never tried a group
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snarfed page...the library can. rest api, not sure
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snarfed GWG: did you try? :P
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GWG snarfed: I was talking about this yesterday. My mother is complaining that she can't follow stuff because it isn't being shown to her and I wanted to offer her a way to extract the data
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snarfed granary is definitely not an end user tool
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@schmarty Nostalgia for homepages, IndieAuth gets an explainer, and lots of new events. It's your ~10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for July 7th - 13th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/07/16/185354/ (twitter.com/_/status/1018992889718812672)
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GWG snarfed: I would have to build her something
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GWG But, I'm trying to figure out if that would be username,
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snarfed never hurts to try :P
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snarfed ...and the answer is, no, the recent lockdown killed even public page access. now needs review. "(#10) To use 'Page Public Content Access', your use of this endpoint must be reviewed and approved by Facebook. To submit this 'Page Public Content Access' feature for review please read our documentation on reviewable features: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/review."
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GWG So, I'll go with the easier of trying to get this group, which reflects a website, to post this stuff somewhere else
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dougbeal I think facebook shutdown all the apis to do with groups... I was looking at IFFT or Zapier, and the group stuff had all gone away
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dougbeal oops, didn't get that far reading ;)
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aaronpk watchtower has been busy https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-16-16-09-01-iH2M1v3IVK.jpg
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dougbeal What is watchtower
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Loqi Watchtower is a minimal API for watching web pages for changes, roughly speaks the WebSub protocol https://indieweb.org/Watchtower
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