#dev 2018-07-22
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+499) "longer blockquote for Haberman criticism of Twitter" (view diff)
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@samaybhavsar "Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet" http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet #mustread #feedly (twitter.com/_/status/1020836869733593095)
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@alligatorio Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet - http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1020840351660236800)
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@ramkumarshankar I had no idea about Webmentions. Very interesting. https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1020850682490806272)
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@johnjlignowski Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1020925551429791744)
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@ParkerJThomas Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet via SidebarIO http://bit.ly/2O5v7bI. #design https://t.co/F7o0qEOaC3 (twitter.com/_/status/1020927721126416384)
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petermolnar lol. I'm experimenting with JS based search for my site... my initial build for elasticlunr.js without(!) the body text is 7.8MB
# petermolnar is that reasonable to load in the browser for every visitor, I wonder?
# petermolnar (hell no, I'm going to stick to sqlite and some extremely simple server side search)
# petermolnar no, that's the full index of the full content
# petermolnar but without storing the content
# petermolnar with the content it's 9MB
# petermolnar which makes the whole thing "wha?"
# petermolnar this thing
# petermolnar if I do a similar approach in SQlite with the FTS5 engine, the SQLite file is 4MB
# petermolnar on the other hand...
# petermolnar if I could drop all the code blocks before passing it to the generator
# petermolnar that might make a lot of sense
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# petermolnar ...whee, down to 7.1MB...
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@_marcusherrmann Let's collect a list of blogs with webmention support. I know from my filter bubble:
https://webrocker.de / @webrocker
https://matthiasott.com / @m_ott
https://boffosocko.com/ / @ChrisAldrich
https://allinthehead.com/ / @drewm
There has to be more :) (twitter.com/_/status/1020954011766337536)
# @_marcusherrmann Let's collect a list of blogs with webmention support. I know from my filter bubble:
https://webrocker.de / @webrocker
https://matthiasott.com / @m_ott
https://boffosocko.com/ / @ChrisAldrich
https://allinthehead.com/ / @drewm
I'm sure there are more :) (twitter.com/_/status/1020954345070841857)
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@mdrob001 "Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet" http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet #web #feedly (twitter.com/_/status/1020955233000845312)
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@fhemberger ↩️ @_marcusherrmann Hmm, my site supports webmentions, but two articles per year can't really be considered "blogging". ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1020958224634216448)
# @_marcusherrmann ↩️ Yeah, but still! I eager to see (and show) practical uses of the technology It's a missed opportunity that http://alistapart.com doesn't yet support webmentions, their article would have been a great showcase. (twitter.com/_/status/1020959153270022144)
# @_marcusherrmann I put that list into a blog post (which has a webmention endpoint) #meta
https://marcus.io/blog/a-webmention-linklist (twitter.com/_/status/1020961559416385536)
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# @_marcusherrmann ↩️ Yes, me too! That "call for webmentions" thing is heavily inspired by @SaraSoueidan's "call for RSS/feeds" the other day: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1020288178597613569 (twitter.com/_/status/1020965480549535744)
# petermolnar note to self: PHP 7.0 comes with SQLite 3.16 which doesn't yet have FTS5.
# petermolnar but it does FTS4 - meaning I can make an sqlite fts search db from python, render everything from python, and create a php search query parser from python - embrace the abomination
# petermolnar (better, than serving a 9MB JSON for "offline" search)
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pstuifzand For people interested in Microsub, I just created a simplified version of an endpoint. It has channels and a timeline. https://p83.nl/p/809
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@m_ott ↩️ Webmentions are also used by
@rachelandrew
@calum_ryan
@mxbck
@sebastiangreger
#keepgoing #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1020999921153998848)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ What @petermolnar said would work. You go to https://indieweb.org/chat-names and you can click on each name. Not sure if everyone lists their Twitter handle..but you will get everyone’s IRC name and links to blogs that have webmentions. Fooled around with this… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4812-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021002074920824834)
# @jgmac1106 You could also go through https://brid.gy/users and see folks connected through http://brid.gy. If they are http://brid.gy to Twitter users they have webmentions. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4814-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021003101313077248)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @m_ott You could also go through https://brid.gy/users and see folks connected through http://brid.gy. If they are http://brid.gy to Twitter users they have webmentions. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/4817-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1021003584480169985)
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@fatbusinessman ↩️ Looks like the protocol itself doesn’t deal with the spam problem, but there are a few extensions in the works: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-faq#How_does_this_solve_the_spam_problem (twitter.com/_/status/1021031592611983360)
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@christophDumont #UX #UI Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet https://buff.ly/2NtLGgp (twitter.com/_/status/1021033374771707904)
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@rubygems token-endpoint (0.1.0): Discover a URL’s token endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/token-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1021042826782625793)
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sixtwothree.org edited /Ruby (+137) "/* Libraries */ Add token-endpoint-ruby gem to libraries" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /JSON-LD (-17) "not limited to W3C/RDF vocabularies, broader variety now" (view diff)
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@MarcoZehe ↩️ After reading this, I'll update my blogs to support web mentions in the next couple of days. #webmentions #indieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1021052493600645120)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Exactly, the article (with one comment) is a perfect use case to why we need webmentions as there have been hundreds of mentions across so many networks. Suggested @chrisaldrich should set up a page to collect all the webmentions to his article. Not sure… http://jgregorymcverry.com/4825-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1021054032377536512)
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# @_marcusherrmann With all that current @alistapart-inducted buzz around #webmention it would be great if big influential sites like @smashingmag or @Real_CSS_Tricks would implement them. To support the momentum and make the technique and #IndieWeb even more visible (twitter.com/_/status/1021058712717254657)
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@schnarfed ↩️ http://www.indiemap.org/ knows ~900 sites with webmention support. here's the full list, including names and twitter handles: https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/savedquery/464705913036:8c56f3e3063442a3a17232fea3ef6067 (twitter.com/_/status/1021058803763064832)
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Loqi Maps are representations of the real world https://indieweb.org/map
# Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
# Loqi ok, I added "[[indie map]]" to the "See Also" section of /maps https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50206&oldid=48099
# Loqi Thanks snarfed and tantek! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1021059793220321280
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# Loqi A framework (in this context software framework or web framework in particular) is a software library and ways of using it that provides an alternative (often simplified) way of writing software, typically explicitly instead of how you would normally write that software https://indieweb.org/framework
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1002198029674385408" to the "See Also" section of /framework https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50207&oldid=48386
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tantek frameworks << 2018-05-31 A List Apart: Zeldman: [https://alistapart.com/article/cult-of-the-complex The Cult of the Complex] <blockquote>In some strange way, stepping back from a meaningless rejection of divs opened the door to gaseous frameworks that abuse them. </blockquote>
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "frameworks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "frameworks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# tantek frameworks is /framework
# tantek frameworks << 2018-05-31 A List Apart: Zeldman: [https://alistapart.com/article/cult-of-the-complex The Cult of the Complex] <blockquote>In some strange way, stepping back from a meaningless rejection of divs opened the door to gaseous frameworks that abuse them. </blockquote>
# Loqi ok, I added "2018-05-31 A List Apart: Zeldman: [https://alistapart.com/article/cult-of-the-complex The Cult of the Complex] <blockquote>In some strange way, stepping back from a meaningless rejection of divs opened the door to gaseous frameworks that abuse them. </blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /framework https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50211&oldid=50207
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@oldaily Webmention #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/68359 I've noticed an uptick in the buzz on webmentions recently. According to the W3C page, a Webmention is "a simple way to notify any URL when you mention it on your site. (twitter.com/_/status/1021066053445726208)
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@_jshmllr A Webmention is simply an @mention that works from one website to another. https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1021067052428210178)
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed, is it just me or does that bigquery link require access to your account to see the list? I get a login page and then get redirected to my own dashboard.
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@mrshll1001 Hey #indieweb folk, I'm finally going to implement receiving #webmention and wondering about design patterns. Should I create a new Webmention entity or should source urls be stored in Post objects? https://mrshll.uk/p/1167 (twitter.com/_/status/1021069857406824448)
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snarfed aaronpk: does https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/dataset/indie-map:indiemap work?
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aaronpk and the first link: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-22-09-41-08-DpReSnezn0.jpg
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# tantek.com edited /timeline (+90) "/* 2009 */ swfoo09 dates, found a non-spammed archive of swfoo09 pbwiki/pbworks, took some hunting and URL hacking! (newer versions may exist, but compare/look for spam links&comments)" (view diff)
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# [chrisaldrich] snarfed: odd at https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/dataset/indie-map:indiemap (while logged into Google) I get "Unable to find dataset: indie-map:indiemap"
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# tantek.com edited /timeline (+222) "/* 2018 */ separate future events, IWC SF and Berlin" (view diff)
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# [chrisaldrich] tantek, I saw the alternate link (and relinked it) and it's still not working for me for some reason. Is there a privacy or audience setting on it perhaps?
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# tantek.com edited /reply-context (+268) "/* Why in-stream */ note example from swentel of likes without in-stream reply-context" (view diff)
# tantek !tell swentel which reader was this screenshot from? https://twitter.com/swentel/status/984772721337929729 and has it improved since I added in-stream reply-contexts to likes/replies on my home page h-feed?
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@swentel When liking things ... :) // cc @t https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaqdkhKU8AAUL6V.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/984772721337929729)
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# tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+549) "/* Silo quitters 2016 */ Brent Simmons - leaving by unfollowing and going private, returned late in 2017" (view diff)
# @MarcoZehe ↩️ Count me in. Just installed and configured the Webmention plugin and the one for Semantic Linkbacks on https://www.marcozehe.de (English) and https://www.zehe-edv.de (German). (twitter.com/_/status/1021100500425560064)
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# [snarfed] [chrisaldrich] the url in the tweet should still work. click run query button? https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/savedquery/464705913036:8c56f3e3063442a3a17232fea3ef6067
# [snarfed] you're right though, the indiemap docs point to https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/dataset/indie-map:indiemap , so if that didn't work, I'll debug and update docs
# [chrisaldrich] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBW6DQVAA/screenshot_20180722-113451_firefox.jpg?pub_secret=f178eb9a0d&name=Screenshot_20180722-113451_Firefox.jpg I keep getting a modal to start a new project or view only my pre-existing ones.
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm not a new user and have a handful of projects. Just don't seem to be able to the page...
# [chrisaldrich] It only seems to let me see my own projects
# [chrisaldrich] Hold on a second. It's redirecting me to another page now. Maybe this will work.
# [chrisaldrich] Yes, seems to be working now. Maybe 10th time is the charm? Thanks snarfed.
# tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+351) "/* See Also */ benwerd return to IG, blockquotes" (view diff)
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@MarcoInEnglish Just installed two plugins that should make my site https://www.marcozehe.de work much better with the proper #Webmention standard. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1021106997524140033)
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@SusannahMFisher Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet #webdesign #webdeveloper #websites http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1021110431681794054)
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "namespaces" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "namespaces is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# tantek__ namespaces are considered harmful. http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-considered-harmful
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loqi.me created /considered_harmful (+113) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /namespaces (+161) "tantek__ added "2018-07-22 criticism by
{{aaronpk}}: [https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/22/9/xml Seriously why is accessing XML namespaced tags so difficult?]" to "See Also"" (view diff)[kevinmarks] joined the channel
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@jhauge I'd absolutely love to see Webmentions really take off, and be used to help break down the walled gardens of Facebook and Twitter, and breathe new life into the blogosphere!
https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1021153630152544256)
# @jhauge ↩️ Next thing we need is a standard for exposing Webmentions data, to be leveraged by directories / search engines. (twitter.com/_/status/1021154652870664192)
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@JavaScriptKicks Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet by chrisaldrich https://javascriptkicks.com/r/52188?url=http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet #javascript (twitter.com/_/status/1021156215223668736)
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@zeldman ↩️ @DenMcH More sophisticated than good old pingbacks, but PBs are a good way to start understanding Webmentions. :) (twitter.com/_/status/1021168520124682241)