#dev 2018-07-29
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# @Nexstair Enabling Better Communication on the Internet ·
"An A List Apart Article"
#Webmentions @mentions #internetproblem
Via : https://goo.gl/awxBaa
Via : https://goo.gl/awxBaa (twitter.com/_/status/1023384614503702529)
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# @rubygems authorization-endpoint (0.1.1): Discover a URL’s authorization endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/authorization-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1023420809283600384)
# @rubygems token-endpoint (0.1.1): Discover a URL’s token endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/token-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1023421127996125185)
# @rubygems webmention-endpoint (1.0.1): Discover a URL’s Webmention endpoint. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1023421295583809536)
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# @yatil Started moving my blog to @getkirby last weekend. The Wordpress export lost so much fidelity, I basically have to check every article. Also mark German/English languages by hand. Several things still missing, like OpenID (as a provider), might need to resort to IndieAuth. :-/ (twitter.com/_/status/1023540601265025024)
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# Loqi [GitaStreet] Not sure the Webmentions differ so much from the pingbacks and trackbacks already available in WordPress Core:
https://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Managing_Comments
In the WordPress admin panel - go to:
Settings > Discussion
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# Loqi [GitaStreet] Not sure the Webmentions differ so much from the pingbacks and trackbacks already available in WordPress Core:
https://codex.wordpress.org/Introduction_to_Blogging#Managing_Comments
In the WordPress admin panel - go to:
Settings > Discussion
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# [cleverdevil] So, I implemented "On This Day" for my wife's Micro.blog site!
# [cleverdevil] I did it in such a way that it could be reusable for anyone who has an h-feed of all their content.
# [cleverdevil] In this case, it loads some javascript from a web service I built, which then sends a request to the user's '/archive' page (which it figures out based upon the HTTP Referer), and it parses the h-feed with mf2py, and then fetches the content for each, sends it back in JSON, and the JavaScript injects it back into the page.
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# KartikPrabhu [miklb]: this has very little to do with the state of mf2 parsers. Both webmention and linkback/trackback send pings to the original post. What you do with that ping is then the crucial point.
# KartikPrabhu mf1 does not have a lot of properties needed for "nicely" parsing the page like "in-reply-to" and what I recall WP did not want mf2 in their stuffs
# KartikPrabhu but you can still parse mf1
# KartikPrabhu <sigh>
# KartikPrabhu anyway, what WP does is their problem
# KartikPrabhu adpotion of indieweb is not dependent on one player like WP
# KartikPrabhu if it is then that is a sad situation
# KartikPrabhu so if WP does not adopt mf2 we will all give up on indieweb?
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# KartikPrabhu I think GWG once tried getting mf2 into WP so he might know better
# @neth_6 Will be talking about 'The Many Flavors of OAuth' at https://www.apidays.co/sanfrancisco including brief overview of identity layers #openidconnect #oidc, and #IndieAuth. Use code 'Soonhin' to get free tix. @aaronpk thanks for https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/07/7/oauth-for-the-open-web. (twitter.com/_/status/1023608398263148546)
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# [cleverdevil] I used to go to the Masquerade all the time when I lived in Atlanta miklb 😀
# [cleverdevil] I’m going to toss the code up for the On this Day feature a bit later today. Anyone with a Micro.blog site should be able to use it though without having to write or deploy any code. Just copy paste a few lines into their site.
# [cleverdevil] Of course, Micro.blog hasn’t been around very long so most people won’t have much content there.
# [cleverdevil] (Unless they migrate their Instagram and Facebook content!)
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# tantek__ !tell KartikPrabhu re: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-07-29/1532881135924700 - that's inaccurate. There's no such thing as a "linkback" (it's a made-up umbrella term AFAIK, not a specific technology), and trackback is not "just a ping" - it sends the full payload (which is why it was even spammier).
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# tantek__ all linked to here: https://indieweb.org/timeline#2013
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# gRegorLove Re: that first indie comment thread, I remember implementing webmentions in Nucleus and then realizing that article had to use pingback, so adding that as the fallback.
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# [cleverdevil] What is on this day?
# Loqi on this day is a feature on some silos and indieweb sites which show posts published on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years; commons sites tend to show more general historical events that occurred on that same day https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
# [cleverdevil] on this day << https://github.com/cleverdevil/micromemories
# Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/cleverdevil/micromemories" to the "See Also" section of /on_this_day https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50380&oldid=50333
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# [kevinmarks] Indiewebify.me is a narrow validator
# [kevinmarks] In that it points out missing things
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# loqi.me edited /Gutenberg (+64) "dougbeal added "http://johnjohnston.info/blog/tag/gutenberg/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# [miklb] I’m just thinking, if one could point to a url and see the parsed results in human readable language, it might make it easier to demonstrate what is broken with WP themes for instance. I learned a whole lot of HTML by simply running my stuff through a validator and being shown where the nesting issue was.
# [cleverdevil] Hey, cool, the "on this day" generator worked on Manton's own Micro.blog site the first time he tried it!
# [cleverdevil] I love it when a plan comes together 😛
# [snarfed] recent examples where an mf2 linter could help: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/822
# gRegorLove My impression is WP core shouldn't add any mf1/mf2, leave it to themes.
# gRegorLove Something that seems unavoidable is other plugins hooking into the_content() to add stuff which is not authored content, so if that's wrapped in e-content, more stuff will be parsed than desired.
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# aaronpk so, according to this issue https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/10 which has a pending PR in the php parser, that would actually end up making the parsed mf2 json of this post in question look like it has valid URLs
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# [cleverdevil] Was someone talking about mf2py performance improvements the other day?
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# snarfed i need to start an issue. in the meantime, https://snarfed.org/mf2py_104_to_head.png and https://snarfed.org/mf2py_104_to_head_2.png show the mf2py perf regression btw 1.0.4 and 1.1.1
# [cleverdevil] Interesting.
# [cleverdevil] This is relevant for the on-this-day thingy I just built.
# [cleverdevil] Its complicated by the fact that Lambda apparently doesn't support ProcessPoolExecutor concurrent futures 😛
# aaronpk and now as2 URLs https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/24/23.as2
# [jgmac1106] Not to derail conversation but feel free to answer later [aaronpk] with talk of Flickr photos have titles whereas Instagram doesn't and current photo post type recommends no title
# [jgmac1106] Could title be a dilineator between u-featured?
# [jgmac1106] Well thinking if you title a photo you are featuring it and just trying to make sure I properly add mf2 with photos that have titles... And often title my photos
# [jgmac1106] ... But yeah as I type I get your point. Featured image to me would be whatever pic I stick in my Twitter cards for each page
# kicks aaronpk++ on the json version of your posts
# [jgmac1106] Okay thx, that explains a alot
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# [jgmac1106] [miklb] thanks I was also asking for plain HTML pages, like each module page. I usually put my first image as the Twitter card but can have u-featured there, as it would be outside h-entry. So nested in h-entry thought about u-featured on same img
# [jgmac1106] Meant can't have u-featured there... Realized I never tested what happens when I add u-featured to an h-entry on Twitter.... Wonder if image posts....new task
# [jgmac1106] But thx for understanding on how u-featured and shortcodes work on portfolio views
# [jgmac1106] Yeah gonna do that
# [jgmac1106] Also thinking philosophically about photo post types, is there a difference with a photo shared on Instagram versus one shared on Flickr.. Beyond the title.. When does a photo become more than a photo and more "art"
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# [jgmac1106] Well what if I could syndicate to deviantart.org...and dribble, and art on Instagram... Yeah better for philosophy discussion than markup
# [jgmac1106] That was other thing I was thinking why do we need all these post kinds when hashtags and tags will do
# [jgmac1106] Just whether I can title a photo post type when syndicating to Twitter, not sure if better mf comment and trying how to figure out correct markup for an img if is is img in my Twitter card... Which I see as featured
# [jgmac1106] Meant better discussion for mf2 channel and meant syndication to flickr
# [jgmac1106] Worse autocorrect ever literally switched brands
# [jgmac1106] But every flickr photo does
# [jgmac1106] That makes sense. Also thinking about photo attribution and whether or not I should just ignore mf2 or add the h-card for photographer and p-name on photo title
# [jgmac1106] Like I do on here... Ignore the bad css grid http://edu-522.glitch.me/