#dev 2018-08-06

2018-08-06 UTC
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@JmacDotOrg Plerd v1.6 adds experimental support for Webmention sending, receiving and display. Striving to de-experimentize it. But for now, this merges in a long branch I’ve been working on since March, so I’m feeling pretty all right about it. https://github.com/jmacdotorg/plerd#webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1026278867626074113)
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ This release also represents my public debut of #mojolicious-based code (it’s what listens for incoming webmentions), as well as my first public use of my own Web::Mention #Perl module (https://metacpan.org/pod/Web::Mention). I wanna get Plerd into CPAN’s App:: namespace next. It’s time! (twitter.com/_/status/1026281663054204928)
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petermolnar does anyone know what is the browser support for named colours in CSS?
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petermolnar eg. "DodgerBlue" #1E90FF
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cweiske dodgerblue is CSS Level 2 (Revision 1)
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cweiske from 2011
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cweiske oh no
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cweiske sorry
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cweiske css 2 only added "orange"
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cweiske dodgerblue is CSS Color Module Level 3
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petermolnar where do you see that?
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cweiske zeal shows me
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cweiske https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color_value
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petermolnar thank you
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ben_thatmustbeme just catching up from the weekend
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme said: just catching up from the weekend
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ben_thatmustbeme moving to MF org is fine with me
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@generativist ↩️ @kevinbaker Activity Pub and WebMention are *really* cool. I hope they continue to gain popularity. (twitter.com/_/status/1026492661803315200)
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tantek__ jmac++ on Plerd v1.6! Nice work!
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Loqi jmac has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (18 in all channels)
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tantek__ jgmac1106: re: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1026060333218254848 - add yourself to a new "IndieWeb Examples" section on https://indieweb.org/Beaker !
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@jgmac1106 @toolness I just published my first dat webpage using Beaker Browser. You are right this is so cool. dat://b11c64ab2066a9a0f6cf21df21f20a2dd7be8d7646883456cc60be70a056be23/ I am hoping I correctly marked up an h-card with microformats. #IndieWeb (http://jgregorymcverry.com/5598-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1026060333218254848)
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tantek__ jgmac1106: or maybe https://indieweb.org/Dat would be more appropriate, add your example there!
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tantek__ weird that there's two adjacent sections related just to WordPress there
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tantek__ going to merge them
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@trubitsyn I think this is a giant leap! / Думается, что это важно для веба... Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1026506526406729728)
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tantek__ has anyone heard of or participating in https://mydata2018.org/ ?
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the ticket on Indiepaper GWG!
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[cleverdevil] I think I've addressed it.
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[cleverdevil] (Moved away from mp-destination, which is still supported but no longer documented, instead using x-indiepaper-destination)
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GWG Any time, you asked me to implement support so I was reading it
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GWG The scope is also not specified
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I still have to address that ticket.
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[cleverdevil] When you say "not specified" you mean not documented on the website, right?
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tantek__ anyone interested in working on formats for interchange, new post types etc, please at least have a read here: https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project
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Loqi [google] data-transfer-project: The Data Transfer Project makes it easy for people to transfer their data between online service providers. We are establishing a common framework, including data models and protocols, to enable direct transfer of data both into and out of participating online service providers.
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tantek__ in particular, if anyone is looking at posting TODOs etc., let's iterate quickly on how best to take RFC5545 VTODO -> mf2 -> JSON
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tantek__ could make a difference
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tantek__ I forgot who recently said they wanted to do TODO management using their website / posts - was that Greg?
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GWG cleverdevil, correct
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gRegorLove Yeah, jgmac1106 has been experimenting with tracking tasks
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[shaners] [aaronpk] [tantek] et al. If yall could make [ben_thatmustbeme] (gh: dissolve), [jgarber] (gh: jgarber623) and me (gh: veganstraightedge) admins on the github mf org, I’ll move the microformats-ruby repo (parser rubygem) over from the indieweb org.
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[shaners] If it pleases the court, I’ll also move over the four parser website repos to the mf org too.
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[shaners] https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-parser-website-python
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[shaners] ```
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[shaners] https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-parser-website-ruby
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[shaners] https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-parser-website-go
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[shaners] https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-parser-website-php
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[shaners] ```
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Loqi [indieweb] microformats-parser-website-ruby: Website for Microformats Ruby parser
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Loqi [indieweb] microformats-parser-website-php: Small web page for displaying parsed microformats2
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Loqi [indieweb] microformats-parser-website-python: Website for Microformats Python parser (mf2py & mf2util)
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Loqi [indieweb] microformats-parser-website-go: Website for Microformats Go parser
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ben_thatmustbeme giggles at "if it pleases the court"
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[shaners] I’ve got them shaped up to be pretty uniform in their README and repo setup. All four are auto-deploying to their respective subdomains on Heroku now. (All commits to master get pushed to production.)
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[shaners] [ben_thatmustbeme] 😉
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[shaners] [ben_thatmustbeme] We’ll have a few things to change after the repo URL changes, but they’re pretty minor: travis, code climate, readme, gemspec, ?.
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ben_thatmustbeme i think the gemspec takes care of changes on rubygems.org
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[shaners] Confirm.
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[shaners] Request for help: Node edition.
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[shaners] Glenn Jones wrote the node mf parser. I recall there being a website for it too.
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[shaners] https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-node
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Loqi [glennjones] microformat-node: Microformats parser for node.js
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[shaners] I can’t get the thing to build and run. It seems like some dependencies are out of date / insecure / etc.
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[shaners] If someone can getting it patched up and running (in a way that works on Heroku), I would love love love that. And will happily deploy it to `https://node.microformats.io`.
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[shaners] Alternately, if someone wants to build a simpler site that cargo cults the existing parser sites html/css/bootstrap but backed by the node parser, I would happily deploy that too.
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[shaners] If someone wants to take this on, but doesn’t know anything about Heroku, I can help with that part.
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[shaners] /end
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tantek__ shaners++ great. is it general good practice to make project owners also be admins in an org? if that's the only the make it work, let's do it. I'm not as familiar with "usual" github org practices so I'm open to suggestions
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Loqi shaners has 4 karma over the last year
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aaronpk it requires owner permission in order to be able to move a repo into it
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tantek__ aaronpk ok I started with at least inviting all the people shaners mentioned to be members of the org
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tantek__ also -> #indieweb-meta
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ben_thatmustbeme [shaners]: i do not know much about heroku but should be able to help work out dependency issues with node
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@jgmac1106 EDU 522: Daily Update VI: Sending A Manual Webmention: http://youtu.be/XPCrlMTsEQw?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1026548670085255169)
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gRegorLove [shaners] Re https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-08-05#t1533482856267400, my account is heroku at gregorlove dot com
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Loqi [veganstraightedg] @aaronpk @gRegorLove @snarfed @tommorris et al What are your Heroku account email addresses? I'll add you to the microformats.io apps.
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Zegnat What is autocomplete?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "autocomplete" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "autocomplete is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat hmm
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Zegnat I am experimenting with autocompleting mentions for note posts: https://i.imgur.com/Y1TybL7.png
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gRegorLove Ooh
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Zegnat Still a bit finicky, but has been interesting to toy with
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Zegnat Experiment source: https://github.com/Zegnat/site-notxte - it will suggest completing mentions you have used in previous posts.
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Loqi [Zegnat] site-notxte: Small PHP site for posting twtxt-like notes.
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@jgmac1106 #Edu522 Daily Update VII: Setting up Webmentions: http://youtu.be/bpTvoyNoqBo?a via @YouTube (twitter.com/_/status/1026552692406013952)
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk I'm close to being able to do that now! Been building up the pieces slowly
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Zegnat I am positively surprised how quickly I was able to get this done. Maybe an hour or 2 of work.
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aaronpk So it keeps track of its own previous mentions?
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aaronpk Is it a Micropub client I assume?
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Zegnat Not a micropub client, just a form to add a note to a txt file of notes
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Zegnat But yes, it scans the file for previous mentions and then lets you autocomplete them when you want to mention someone a second time
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aaronpk Ah cool
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aaronpk Seems like a small amount of work to turn it into a Micropub client then :-)
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Zegnat Do we need yet another plain-text-note-only mp client?
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aaronpk Always haha
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Zegnat How would a mp client go and query previous mentions though?
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KartikPrabhu what is nicknames-cache
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Loqi A nicknames cache is a way indieweb sites store information about people to improve the user experience of the site owner referring, mention, and/or linking to those people https://indieweb.org/nicknames-cache
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aaronpk I think there's a proposal there or on the extensions page for it. I'm about to implement that
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Zegnat I’ll have to look into that then :)
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Zegnat Though possibly not too much. Not sure how far I want to take this experiment
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk Whatever I end up with I'm going to add to Quill
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Zegnat Are you using a specific lib for the completion?
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Zegnat I used https://leaverou.github.io/awesomplete/
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aaronpk That's the one I've used before
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aaronpk Or wait no I looked at that one but haven't used it yet
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Zegnat But that doesn’t seem to let me do completion in the middle of the text field. So you only get completion at the end.
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aaronpk I need one that has hooks to query an external data source
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aaronpk cause I'm not going to load the whole list of autocomplete nicks in the browser
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Zegnat I think that could be patched on top of this. But not something it does by default.
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aaronpk I want to write as little code as possible so I will be looking for something that does it for me :-)
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Zegnat If you find a simpler/better lib, let me know. I am not too impressed by this one. But it was one of the few vanilla JS drop-in libs
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[cleverdevil] @GWG I added some info about the scopes Indiepaper requests to https://www.indiepaper.io
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[cleverdevil] In the "developer" section.
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sknebel can someone double-check with me why http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180806210732328 contains an implied photo? (Zegnat?)
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Zegnat Lets have a look
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sknebel :)
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sknebel from my reading, <img> nested in another tag would only trigger if the nested tag is the only one in the root, and here theres <a><img></a><span></span>
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[shaners] [gregorlove] added you to all of mf.io related apps on heroku
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[shaners] nothing to do, at the moment. but now you’re there, just in case.
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Zegnat This does look like a bug...
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Zegnat How are other parsers reading this, sknebel?
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gRegorLove [shaners], Cool. I'm new to Heroku so will just be a backup for now :)
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sknebel Zegnat: python and go don't see an implied photo
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Zegnat So looks like another php parser bug with implieds
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sknebel goes file
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Zegnat opens PHP parser
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sknebel (didn't aaronpk complain there's too many implied photos? :P)
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Zegnat I thought we had the xpaths fixed up now
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Zegnat grrr
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gRegorLove I thought so as well
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gRegorLove Did that PR get merged?
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Zegnat https://github.com/microformats/php-mf2/blob/master/Mf2/Parser.php#L1169 - It doesn’t check that the * is an only child *facepalm*
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Zegnat only that it isn’t an h-*
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gRegorLove doh
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gRegorLove Sorry
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Zegnat None of us caught it in review either, gRegorLove. I think your PR was still an improvement
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Zegnat We just need to add yet another test :)
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gRegorLove Add all the tests!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4vpNhWLw.jpg
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Zegnat Mystery solved. Good catch, sknebel
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GWG Did someone say Micropub nickname cache?
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sknebel yep
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GWG Who? What?
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sknebel I think that's the proposal aaronpk mentioned: https://indieweb.org/Micropub-brainstorming#Query_for_contacts
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GWG I will wait for the demo
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[tantek] Btw I found out that the term “facepile” is humor-inducing among some folks (IWCSF) who have never heard of it before
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[tantek] Because, as was pointed out to me, you don’t usually put humans in a pile, or rather, it’s usually a bad thing if you do
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aaronpk lol
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gRegorLove Yeah, I thought it sounded a bit weird
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KartikPrabhu face grid? face list
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aaronpk I don't think it's *bad* that it sounds funny
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gRegorLove Face matrix? The Facetrix
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KartikPrabhu The Facetrix 5: Return of the Nose
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