#dev 2018-09-05

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gRegorLove So I've seen this behavior in Feedly and Inoreader now where websub-notified posts strip whitespace around some HTML tags, like links.
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gRegorLove But if I don't send a websub ping and the Atom feed gets polled, no whitespace issue.
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gRegorLove Not sure how to debug if it's superfeedr doing it or if there's some library those readers are using that does it?
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gRegorLove I just saw it on a schmarty post, which I presume is also via websub
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www.learningaloud.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+79) (view diff)
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www.learningaloud.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+6) (view diff)
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ludovicchabant grantcodes[m]: oh Facebook killed their API? shit, I haven't been on Facebook for a couple years so I guess I missed that :/
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ludovicchabant Maybe I'll do like Kongaloosh and just not care about Facebook...
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@CRosserAuthor Been reading up on WebMention. Looks like a big waste of time now that Twitter's changing authentication. Can I have that hour's reading back again? (twitter.com/_/status/1037178248793190400)
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gRegorLove notcareaboutfacebook++
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Loqi notcareaboutfacebook has 1 karma over the last year
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gRegorLove lolwhut ^^
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gRegorLove Maybe they meant IndieAuth, but even then...
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[eddie] tantek grantcodes aaronpk Regarding the nickname/petname discussion earlier, I actually do exactly that. My nickname for my mom and dad are @mom and @dad https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/08/25/19/photo/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] @mom and @dad visiting with Luke. https://eddiehinkle.com/media/d5efb3e11e690d31f0ea5588ac47eaa1.jpeg
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aaronpk eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 39 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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GWG swentel: How goes the Android work?
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swentel GWG, I'm going to open the app for public release soon
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Loqi swentel: [eddie] left you a message on 2018-06-18 at 4:09pm UTC: For Indigenous for Android do you currently parse a url in anyway to choose which actions to show (Reply, Bookmark, Like, RSVP, etc) or do you just show all potential options? If you parse it is that local code or using a hosted service like XRay?
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Loqi swentel: tantek left you a message on 2018-07-22 at 6:06pm UTC: which reader was this screenshot from? https://twitter.com/swentel/status/984772721337929729 and has it improved since I added in-stream reply-contexts to likes/replies on my home page h-feed?
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swentel GWG, there's still some missing features, but I'm been running this now for about 4 months, and the basics are working fine imo. And no crashes too :)
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GWG swentel: I couldn't talk you into my #1 feature, could ?
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swentel GWG, dynamic posts ? location ?
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GWG Location
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GWG Dynamic posts is complicated
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GWG Location is just passing data
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swentel GWG, it's probably going to ship along too, testing that now locally
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swentel it's ready on the drupal side as well now
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swentel just testing to make sure the permissions are ok
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swentel so coming really really soon :)
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GWG I've been using it too
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GWG It's been very stable for me
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swentel updating the design now, consistent icons, size, colors and more spacing
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swentel once that's done, out it will go
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swentel !tell Tantek yes that stream is much better now (the issues - sorry for the late answer)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel !tell [eddie] I show options based on the metadata coming from aperture, not parsing right now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@webrocker (^blog) a quick hurray for open source (and a thank you @pfefferle ) https://www.webrocker.de/2018/09/05/webmention-semantic-linkbacks-facepile-display-hickup-solved/ #webmention #wordpress #semanticlinkbacks (twitter.com/_/status/1037286748882169856)
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GWG swentel: Thank you for your work on this. You filled a missing piece for me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel !tell gRegorLove: can you use websub.rocks to see what update is sent out from superfeedr?
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KSProgramer Hello
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KSProgramer Does anyone have time to answer one question?
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KartikPrabhu KSProgramer: ask away
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KSProgramer Do you know how can I get all room members in one request in stanza io no matter their role
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KartikPrabhu not sure what stanza is at all
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KartikPrabhu or how it is related to indieweb which is the topic for this channel
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KartikPrabhu what is stanza?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "stanza" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "stanza is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu what is stanza.io
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Loqi Stanza.io is a Javascript library to allow browser developers access to the core XMPP protocols using JSON instead of XML https://indieweb.org/stanza.io
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KSProgramer I found stanza io in this web thought this was for discussion for all kind of developing
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KSProgramer Anyway thanks for your time
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realize.be edited /Indigenous_for_Android (-57) "update screenshots" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Orcid (+482) "prompted by jgmac1106_ and dfn added by jgmac1106_" (view diff)
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realize.be edited /Indigenous (-306) "/* Android */" (view diff)
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realize.be edited /Indigenous_for_Android (-3) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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snarfed hoo boy, my shared host is upgrading php from 5.6 to 7.1. (only the default.) fortunately i only use it for wordpress, so hopefully i'll be ok...?
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aaronpk whee
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aaronpk wordpress is super strict on backcompat so you'll probably be fine
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Zegnat Well, WP should support every PHP version known to man, right?
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snarfed evidently yes. https://wordpress.org/about/requirements/
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aaronpk 5.2 wow
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Zegnat They also had nice graphs somewhere on actual PHP version usage they were getting data from through installations.
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Zegnat The percentage of even < 5.6 versions has always astounded me. Though it is getting better.
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Zegnat looks for page
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Zegnat PHP 5.3 is more popular than current stable 7.2. Versions 7.0 and later only narrowly beat the versions below 5.6 (excluding 5.6 itself): https://wordpress.org/about/stats/
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Loqi Statistics
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Zegnat PHP << The [https://wordpress.org/about/stats/ WordPress statistics] give some overview of popularity among PHP versions
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Loqi ok, I added "The [https://wordpress.org/about/stats/ WordPress statistics] give some overview of popularity among PHP versions" to the "See Also" section of /PHP https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51490&oldid=46555
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Loqi Statistics
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jjuran I seem to recall a break in backward compatibility around 5.4 or so
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aaronpk in wordpress?
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jjuran no, PHP
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aaronpk yeah php drops stuff between versions, but wordpress is very strict about not using any of the new stuff
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Zegnat Which I believe can be a little harrowing for plugin devs.
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aaronpk no kidding
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aaronpk i'm all in on 7+ now, there's no turning back for me haha
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aaronpk too much good stuff added to not use it
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Zegnat I think jkphl forked the code I wrote at IWC Berlin, specifically because he wasn’t ready for 7 yet :(
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Zegnat is also 100% in on 7
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aaronpk (i'm actually still running 5.6 in parallel with 7.2 on my server, since there are a few super old apps I haven't gotten around to testing in 7.2 yet)
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Zegnat And their using such old style of 5.6 code that it doesn’t run on the 7 branch?
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Zegnat I’ve found a lot of stuff Just Works^{tm}
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aaronpk yeah there are a few things that are deprecated in 7.2
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aaronpk anything I wrote targeting 5.6 features will probably work just fine, but i'm worried about the suuuuper old stuff
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aaronpk e.g. the old mysql functions were removed from 7.2. that one tripped me up the other day
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aaronpk http://php.net/mysql_connect
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aaronpk removed in 7.0.0 even
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Zegnat Right
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Zegnat but those had been deprecated in 5.6 already too, I believe? in favour of mysqli?
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aaronpk Right, which is why I said if I wrote it for 5.6 it's probably fine, but I've been writing php a long time :-)
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Zegnat Hehe, same, but I guess I almost always kept on the bleeding edge :P
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Zegnat (And tried to avoid databases like the plague.)
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aaronpk I have a site still running that I wrote in like 2003
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boffosocko.com edited /Orcid (+722) "shorter definition; see also; pagelogo; example" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com created /ORCHID (+1204) "move page to canonical capitalized spelling" (view diff)
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snarfed hmm, is this worth adding schema.org to the indiemap home page for... https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/5/17822562/google-dataset-search-service-scholar-scientific-journal-open-data-access
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snarfed ah, they also support w3c dcat and csvw. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/dataset
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[grantcodes] I'm wondering, in microformats / microsub when is it safe to assume the photo property is a poster for a video property
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[grantcodes] Currently if there is one photo and one video I set it as a poster
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aaronpk ooh there was a discussion thread about this
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[grantcodes] But I have some posts in my reader that are 1 photo multi-video
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aaronpk IIRC we didn't come to a good conclusion, but I ended up treating 1 photo and 1 video as the photo is a poster
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[grantcodes] Did a very light wiki dive and didn't find much to help
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aaronpk oh, now I remember, I just skip any mixed-photo-video posts in ownyourgram
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aaronpk I didn't have a good answer so I punted
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aaronpk this falls under post type discovery though
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[grantcodes] Yeah not much about it there either.
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[grantcodes] If there is no conclusion I'll just stick with only having posters when there is one of each
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aaronpk https://github.com/tantek/post-type-discovery/issues/29
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Loqi [aaronpk] #29 poster frame for videos
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aaronpk feel free to add some notes there
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willnorris.com edited /Perkeep (-72) "Add information about Google's CLA" (view diff)
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tantek__ willnorris++ thanks for helping clarify that!
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Loqi willnorris has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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Loqi tantek__: swentel left you a message 8 hours, 9 minutes ago: yes that stream is much better now (the issues - sorry for the late answer)
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tantek__ thanks for the update swentel! glad /composite_stream with inline reply contexts is workable / working thing!
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[eddie] 👏 oooo, I think I’m gonna like AWS Lambda
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[cleverdevil] 💪
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: snarfed left you a message 4 days, 23 hours ago: hmm! sorry about that. 1.13 or head? mind throwing details into an issue?
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[cleverdevil] Lambda rocks.
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[cleverdevil] Wish it had native support for PHP!
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[eddie] Man, I do too! If it did I would serverless all the aaronpk software! 😆
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[cleverdevil] There is https://www.lambdaphp.host
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[cleverdevil] Which I have played with (got Known *almost* working with it)
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[cleverdevil] But, its definitely not there yet.
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[cleverdevil] Anything you run on Lambda must be stateless, too, not using the filesystem at all, really.
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[eddie] True makes things a little challenging. Do you find much latency between lambda/s3/dynamodb/aurora?
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[eddie] Have you played with Aurora Serverless with the stuff you’ve built?
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stevestreza I enjoyed Lambda but DynamoDB's limits were really frustrating and hard to find good information on https://stevestreza.com/2018/08/30/aws-is-a-pain-without-a-big-budget/
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[cleverdevil] Aurora Serverless works great, in my experience so far.
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[cleverdevil] Latency isn't generally an issue for me with Lambda.
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[eddie] I actually read that the other day, stevestreza 🙂 It was very informative
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[cleverdevil] Cold starts are an issue. But, there are some good best practices for avoiding cold starts.
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stevestreza Thanks [eddie] :) Admittedly I'm a noob at AWS stuff
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[eddie] Yeah, I was a bit concerned about cold starts. Although, If I’m pinging one or more microsub servers every minute, in one case, I might end up paying like crazy, on the other hand I might not run into cold starts?
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[cleverdevil] You won't run into cold starts, and the cost is *so low*.
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[cleverdevil] In fact, the free tier is pretty generous.
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[cleverdevil] You get like 1 million requests per month for free.
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[cleverdevil] (For the first 12 months, sadly).
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stevestreza It looks like it's listed under the "always free" tier, 1 million requests/month
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[eddie] Ahh gotcha :thumbsup:
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[cleverdevil] Oh yeah.
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[cleverdevil] If you're a node person, which I believe you are, there is also the serverless framework that makes it even easier to develop with Lambda (serverless.com)
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[grantcodes] Alrighty, been flying through so many Together updates! Live channel reloading, map actually zooms to markers, quotation rendering, automatically collapsed long posts, classic view navigation controls, huge updates to the gallery view (including videos!) and the scrolling performance is way better
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snarfed [grantcodes]++
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Loqi [grantcodes] has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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swentel GWG, sending location is ! (except for visibility setting, will see if I can get that in before next release)
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[manton] @stevestreza Hi! Unrelated to AWS, but... Ever thought about working on Ohai again, rebuilt for IndieWeb technologies? I loved that app. 🙂
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] Yeah, I’ve been doing it directly in AWS to understand it better, but for long-term sustainability I should probably actually use serverless for the app for itself
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jackjamieson [grantcodes]++
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Loqi [grantcodes] has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (30 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] [grantcodes]++ for the *awesome* Together updates!
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Loqi [grantcodes] has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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cweiske what is together
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Loqi Together is a reader that was initially conceived at the 2017 IndieWeb Summit in Portland by Jonathan LaCour and several others during the Putting it all together session https://indieweb.org/together
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[grantcodes] Oh also [cleverdevil] did you try my microsub push notifications from the other day? Think that's another big part of the puzzle
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[cleverdevil] Nope, I must have missed that.
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[cleverdevil] The other thing I want is a way to format @-mentions in replies intelligently.
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[grantcodes] Think @ mentions will need to wait to see how aaronpk ends up doing it, there's been some discussion on it recently
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[grantcodes] But https://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io/ for microsub > webhooks
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[grantcodes] I can see a couple of people tried to sign up but don't know if it's fully working to be honest
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[cleverdevil] Cool, I'll check it out!
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realize.be edited /Indigenous_for_Android (+33) "/* V1 Features */" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Hmm, I get an error "missing endpoints."
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[grantcodes] Ah, I guess that is what the others got too. I will have a look
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[cleverdevil] Do I login with my domain or with aperture?
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[cleverdevil] Ah, that doesn't work either.
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[cleverdevil] Same error 🙂
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[grantcodes] domain
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[grantcodes] Yeah it's not picking up your microsub link for some reason
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[grantcodes] Ah it must be requesting json by accident and your site returns a json feed
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GWG swentel, great. Visibility isn't as urgent as only one endpoint supports it so far.
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[grantcodes] [cleverdevil] try https://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io/ again. It picks up your endpoints fine now
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[cleverdevil] Trying now.
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[cleverdevil] "Uh Oh. Error finding user."
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[grantcodes] Ah that one is to do with redirect and stuff I think. Need to get your https's and trailing slashes right 😛
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[cleverdevil] Heh, I tried adding a trailing slash, and now I get "Error getting token."
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[grantcodes] Oh jeez nothing works 😂
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[grantcodes] Ok, getting your token threw a 400 error for some reason. Probably accepts headers again
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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@eugenione Sending your First Webmention from Scratch https://buff.ly/2MO6Qdi #Webdesign https://t.co/iW9PUzER3B (twitter.com/_/status/1037447791528865814)
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[grantcodes] well [cleverdevil] if you try again I'm not sure it will work, but you might get a better error
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[cleverdevil] Trying... so far its just hanging at the redirect after I authorize in Known.
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[grantcodes] Yeah I saw an error that time that was my fault
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[cleverdevil] 504 GW Timeout.
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[grantcodes] ok one more go 😛
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[cleverdevil] Back to "error getting token"
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[grantcodes] Ahh well I can see the issue at least.
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[grantcodes] It's returning query string encoded, and I'm not parsing it 🤦‍♂️ This is what you get for rewriting code that already worked
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[cleverdevil] Hehe
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[cleverdevil] Known's IndieAuth implementation is... not great.
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[cleverdevil] One of these days, maybe I'll work on it.
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[grantcodes] Eh nah it's an issue on my end
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[grantcodes] Ok [cleverdevil] I am above 50% sure it will work now 😆 that's all I can hope for
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[cleverdevil] Yup!
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[cleverdevil] Worked.
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[grantcodes] Woohoo
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[cleverdevil] I'll give it a shot actually setting up notifications later.
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Loqi :D
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[cleverdevil] I assume that I should use this with something like Pushover?
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[grantcodes] Well at the moment it is just webhooks so I use ifttt
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[cleverdevil] Gotcha.
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[grantcodes] But at some point I'll make it more extendable so there can be more notification methods available
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[cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
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[grantcodes] Consider it mvp 😛
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GWG Who nests their h-events in h-entrys?
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[dougbeal] [grantcodes] I’m getting {“error”:“parameter_absent”,“error_description”:“Missing Parameter: state”}
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[dougbeal] I registered indieping.me, for all your indieweb monitoring needs, comming soon™
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