#dev 2018-09-06
2018-09-06 UTC
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# stevestreza !tell manton I've actually been thinking about building journaling apps on IndieWeb stuff :) Still getting my hands dirty with stuff like micropub and activitypub to figure out how best to start using it
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# jgmac1106 [zegnat] this course has a game built into every module: https://unboundeq.creativitycourse.org/
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# [jgmac1106] yeah I tried to get Reclaim hosting to update Known from @mapkyca builds but they wouldn't. WordPress is fun and all but I also like when things work
# [jgmac1106] @yeah tried to convince ReClaim Hosting to pull in from
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# [cleverdevil] FYI, [eddie] and [grantcodes] - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4#issuecomment-419170672
# Loqi [cleverdevil] FYI, I have a local branch of [Known](https://github.com/idno/Known) that supports:
- `q=source`
- `&url=`
- `&limit=`
- `&offset=`
I'm closely watching this thread, and if we can come to a consensus, I should be able to have a fully complia...
# [cleverdevil] I'd like to see us come to a consensus on this, and get a few implementations out there. It'd really help to have something in the wild that is consistent.
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# [iambismark] I haven’t taken part in the convo yet but I’d vote for pagination tokens > offset. allows the server to do more efficient things if it wants and it could always fallback to using offsets for pagination token if it wants
# [cleverdevil] I tend to agree, but offset is reallllly easy to implement 😉
# [cleverdevil] That said, tokens aren't hard really.
# [cleverdevil] I just want a documented, official, consensus way.
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# [grantcodes] Yep tokens for me too
# [grantcodes] They can just map to offset in your implementation
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# [cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
# [grantcodes] In fact that is what I do just now for laziness
# snarfed reminds me of talking with jamey sharp about paging at IWS. he was very passionate about it. eg https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/152
# [eddie] I still need to spend some time looking and experimenting with grantcodes' query parameters, but I think post-type is an agreed consensus based on the conversations so far (unless while implementing major flaws are found, everything is open to change if there is a serious issue, obviously)
# jgmac1106_ [eddie] and need to note which post types are marked as accepted and those that are experimental on the post-type discovery page
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# [cleverdevil] Well, Known has a "post type" of sorts.
# [cleverdevil] I just need a way to map them to the Post Type Discovery types.
# [cleverdevil] Plugins can provide their own "post types"
# [cleverdevil] So, it'd need to be a method added to the base "Entity" class which would by default return "article"
# [cleverdevil] So, I can definitely get it to work 🙂
# [cleverdevil] Its more of a "what would be accepted into Known?" question.
# [cleverdevil] FWIW, I was very encouraged to see this email from [benwerd] - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/known-dev/XCpVUkkp8m0
# [cleverdevil] He's going to be working on Known again, which is a welcome bit of news!
# Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2018-03-07 at 1:58am UTC: we found your WordPress equivalent, naturally https://benword.com/ e.g. https://roots.io/weve-migrated-from-yoast-seo/
# [cleverdevil] A WILD BEN WERD APPEARS
# [cleverdevil] \o/
# [cleverdevil] I'm particularly excited because I tend to bumble around as a novice PHP developer and try and make enhancements but am never sure I am doing the right things 😉
# [cleverdevil] Indeed.
# [cleverdevil] I'll do that.
# [cleverdevil] The only one worth keeping around at this point is Twitter, IMO.
# [cleverdevil] But, I understand your logic.
# [cleverdevil] I'll use it until I leave Twitter or they shut down the API, which seems increasingly likely (both).
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# [cleverdevil] [benwerd] how about getIndiePostType() for Entity?
# [cleverdevil] There is already getActivityStreamsObjectType and getMicroformats2ObjectType
# [cleverdevil] Seems to fit the current pattern 😉
# [cleverdevil] Indeed.
# [cleverdevil] The only difficult one I can think of so far is the `Media` entity, which represents video and audio.
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# pstuifzand swentel, if the post-type is documented somewhere I'll add it
# [cleverdevil] Agreed.
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# [cleverdevil] For now, I'll do something smart-ish.
# [cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
# pstuifzand swentel, it could be part of Xray, which is what Aperture uses (I think)
# pstuifzand I think I saw it there
# [cleverdevil] Hmm, the more I think about this, the less confident I am that its going to work.
# [cleverdevil] In order to query against the post type, it either needs to be 100% the same for every instance of a particular Entity, or it needs to be calculated and saved in the database.
# [cleverdevil] Things like replies and video don't currently fit that mold in Known, I don't think....
# jackjamieson Incidentally, I noticed GWG added post type discovery to his parser in post-kinds, which is what I'm using for Yarns. So soon enough that will be another microsub server that can return post-type (through no effort on my part)
# jackjamieson But given that it's not part of the spec I think it might make sense for a client to implement its own PTD
# jackjamieson btw [eddie], have you had any thoughts about what might be causing my problems with indigenous for iOS? (https://github.com/jackjamieson2/yarns-microsub-server/issues/8)
# jackjamieson Is there anything I could do to send further debug info to indigenous?
# jackjamieson No problem! I haven't worked much on that either since I'm a bit stumped :/
# [kevinmarks] [benwerd] can you update hosted known? I can't use it with microsub at the moment
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# jackjamieson [eddie] Thanks, totally not urgent but it'll be nice once I can access my feeds from my phone
# [kevinmarks] Thank you! I do miss the syndication to twitter, but I can see why you might want to avoid it
# [kevinmarks] [benwerd] are you coming to xoxo?
# jackjamieson [eddie] ++
# jackjamieson [eddie]++
# swentel https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/blob/master/assets/logo-red.svg in case you need it
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# [cleverdevil] !tell benwerd thanks for the encouragement, I've opened a ticket here to ask some questions - https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/2142
# [eddie] So I have two potential paths. the first one is if someone turns notifications on for the iOS app (they select which channels they want notifications for), the iOS app will send their account info to the server through https and the server will act as a Microsub client pulling the requested channels every minute (until some Microsub servers support sometime of webhook).
# [eddie] The second option is similar but instead of sending the account info to the server, when you turned on notifications, it would take you through IndieAuth again (but this time the client app would be Indigenous Notifications and it would only request a read channels scope) and it would store those credentials on the server
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# tantek__ re: URLs and URL design https://twitter.com/torgo/status/1037678226867404800
# @torgo Since some people are talking about the “death of the URL” … again … it felt like the right time to re-post something I wrote 2 years ag on the topic https://medium.com/@torgo/in-defense-of-the-url-adbec59c7cf4 including a link to research that seems to indicate people DO know what URLs are. (twitter.com/_/status/1037678226867404800)
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# [iambismark] > "subdomain.www.domain.com" displays as "subdomain.domain.com".
# [iambismark] Lol
# @kickscondor Just a little proposal to use 301 permanent redirects on http://Webmention.io. http://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/113 (twitter.com/_/status/1037830288003526661)
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# @kickscondor I’m so sorry for any extra comments or links that may be showing up on aggregators and http://micro.blog—my blog broke and I also changed the permalinks for everything. I have a system for keeping the old permalinks at their location (and had… https://kickscondor.com/webmention-spillage (twitter.com/_/status/1037838876742766592)
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