#dev 2018-09-10

2018-09-10 UTC
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[grantcodes] miklb: What part of xray? There is a microformats parser and then there are a whole bunch of meta parsers depending on what you want to do
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swentel [schmarty], any idea what I might be missing when the indiewebring can't validate my links ? they are on the site but the checker seems to miss them ..
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[schmarty] swentel: sorry for the trouble. let me take a look at the logs.
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Loqi [schmarty]: [grantcodes] left you a message 6 days, 21 hours ago: Been using your indieauth lib, but I can't open issues on https://git.schmarty.net/schmarty/indieauth-authentication So 1. It should support scopes, 2. Should be able to get a token 3. Resolve and return redirected user urls. Happy to write pull requests, but don't want to create another separate npm module
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Loqi [schmarty]: swentel left you a message 3 days, 21 hours ago: tried verifying my site (realize.be) on indieweb ring, but doesn't seem to find the links .. am I doing something wrong ? :)
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swentel oh oops
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swentel didn't think loqi would find that as I did it with [] .. :)
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swentel s/with/without
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[schmarty] loqi knoooooows
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swentel apparently
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[schmarty] ok, i'm watching the logs now, if you don't mind trying again.
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swentel done
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[schmarty] haha well there were no fatal errors so nothing in the logs. 😂
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swentel hehe
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[schmarty] digs in
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[schmarty] swentel: stepping through the code, i don't see why it's not picking up the links. i'm going to expand this with an admin panel that'll let me run the checks myself, add some debugging, see what i can find.
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swentel [schmarty], ok :)
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swentel [schmarty], just realized, maybe it's because the site itself is rendered by vue. the content is in the source though, but in a noscript tag
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swentel maybe that's the problem
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swentel maybe the parser ignores noscript tags, might be a pointer to debug
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[schmarty] hmm! great question! i was stepping through the link checking in my devtools, after the page had rendered.
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[schmarty] hmm, that doesn't seem to be the issue. disabling JS on page load, i still seem to be able to find the links.
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[schmarty] for now i've manually marked you as active 😅
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swentel hehe, cool thanks :)
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[schmarty] [grantcodes] thanks for the feedback on indieauth-authentication! i was going to wait to put it on github until i had un-hardcoded the tests, but i'll make a github fork now.
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[schmarty] !tell [grantcodes]: made a github fork of indieauth-authentication if you're still interested in sending PRs! https://github.com/martymcguire/indieauth-authentication
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [martymcguire] indieauth-authentication: A JavaScript helper class for creating apps that authenticate via IndieAuth.
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[grantcodes] Perfect
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[grantcodes] Personally although I know it's technically a separate thing, I really think I single library that could handle auth, scopes and tokens would be ideal
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[schmarty] [grantcodes]: agreed that a single library feels best. handling URL normalization / resolution, auth, and scopes/tokens. bonus if it can also get representative h-card info. mega bonus if it can do that while minimizing requests to the user's homepage. :}
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[grantcodes] Agreed!
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[grantcodes] It should be easy enough to get a page once, then just use the returned html / headers for everything else
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[schmarty] i believe it's reasonable! actually, a mini-cache for html/headers sounds great because it'd make testing easier.
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[keithjgrant] Is microformat-node my best bet for parsing am entry on node? (All I really need are links within the main h-entry for sending WMs)
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sknebel [keithjgrant]: it's the one javascript-based parser we have, so if you want to parse a page then yes (not sure what you're building?)
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[keithjgrant] Well, I use microformat-shiv in Omnibear
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sknebel that's the same parser
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[keithjgrant] I'm just starting on a github-to-webmention app to send WMs for static sites
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sknebel microformat-node is microformat-shiv, just with a DOM implementation added since microformat-shiv uses the browsers
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[keithjgrant] Gotcha
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Your logs or even database may indicate better where it came from, but most likely it's a malformed received webmention or one without data. I've seen one or two in the wild, but unsure what may have caused it. I thought it might be from… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/christo37433424-your-logs-or-even-database-may-indicate-better-where (twitter.com/_/status/1039187525577965572)
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sknebel ah. yeah, when you don't know details about the page structure just parsing it is probably the way to go
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jeremycherfas Definite noob question: if I want to use rsync to backup a folder on a remote server to my local machine, is it best to run the command on the local server or on the remote server? I can use full paths in either case.
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[schmarty] jeremycherfas: i find that what's "best" for that situation depends on several things. e.g. which machine is likely to be up more. i have a couple of local machines that mostly store backups and i have remote servers log into them using restricted accounts to dump their backup data.
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jeremycherfas OK. Well, they're both up as much as possible. I would like eventually to make it a cron job, but will do it by hand to begin with.
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pstuifzand Once in a while there are people who like to import and export OPML from their microsub server. This is now possible with the `ek` command.
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pstuifzand https://p83.nl/posts/957
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Loqi [Peter Stuifzand] Import OPML files into Microsub servers
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snarfed pstuifzand++
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Loqi pstuifzand has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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@RealGophersShip pstuifzand/ekster (0.8.0): microsub server https://mdy.io/gh/pstuifzand/ekster (twitter.com/_/status/1039228402782359553)
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[keithjgrant] So, given a page url... Is there a set algorithm for determining which links on the page should have webmentions sent? All links in the main h item? How do I know which h item is the "main" one?
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sknebel the one with u-url / u-uid == page url is the main one
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[keithjgrant] Ah
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KartikPrabhu also all links are mentioned
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KartikPrabhu except you might want to avoid sending webmentions to you your own tag-pages or something
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, I'm looking to avoid footer links and that sort of thing
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[keithjgrant] From what I can tell, Telegraph only lists links in the main h item
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snarfed alternatively just send to everything *except* your domain(s) and localhost etc
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snarfed limiting to h-item risks omitting comments (necessary for salmentions), other custom areas, etc
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KartikPrabhu but sometime you want to mention your own previous posts
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KartikPrabhu also comments should be in h-* as p-comment no?
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[keithjgrant] Of my page displays comments I've received, I don't want to send WMs back, do I?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: usually, but markup varies
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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[keithjgrant] So if my post is a reply to post X, I would have send a webmention when I first posted. Then, if mine updates, it would re-send the original webmentions, and post X could see successive comments now displayed on my site. Correct?
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[keithjgrant] But if my post displays a comment I've received—post Y–I don't need to send webmentions to Y, do I?
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snarfed i haven't followed salmentions in detail, but i think in general we expect wm smarts to be mostly in receivers, not senders. ie pages send webmentions pretty blindly to everything they link to, and receivers interpret semantics, de-dupe, etc
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (3.0.0): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags *… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1039250669096652800)
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aaronpk Yep exactly that. The reason is that if there's a link from one page to another, anyone can send a webmention for that link.
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aaronpk Think of sending a webmention as a shortcut for someone stumbling across an existing link from one page to another. It speeds up that process but the link still exists whether or not the webmention is sent
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[keithjgrant] 👍 that totally makes sense
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[keithjgrant] So, getting practical, do most endpoint implementations do a good job of ignoring incoming WMs for irrelevant links like that?
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