#dev 2018-09-11

2018-09-11 UTC
KartikPrabhu, eli_oat, renem, Amgine, rigelk, [jgmac1106], cweiske, ichoquo0Aigh9ie, swentel, NinjaTrappeur, jeremych_, mblaney and barpthewire joined the channel; mblaney left the channel
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loqi.me created /Hubpages (+166) "prompted by jeremycherfas and dfn added by jeremycherfas" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Hubpages (+39) "jeremycherfas added "http://hubpages.com" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat [keithjgrant] an important question to ask is when something is an “irrelevant” link. Some people may only want to show actual replies while others want to display the full list of mentions (where nothing is seen irrelevant)
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@jgmac1106 I really wish I could figure out how to send webmentions. I can only do it manually. My website is broken and nobody can tell me how to fix it. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6565-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039487363423133701)
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@kickscondor Time to scare up some links. Today, I’m asking around for personal websites on Reddit’s /r/web_design—if you want to participate: post there, or respond to this on Twitter, or send this post a Webmention. https://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/9etudd/what_personal_blogs_or_websites_have_you_made/ (twitter.com/_/status/1039529473631248386)
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@jackjamieson ↩️ Greg, your post reminded me of my ongoing inability to add your site to my Microsub reader. Last I checked (was back in August), when I tried to curl your site from my web server it failed. I tried again today and it worked, so that’s a step in the… https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-uF (twitter.com/_/status/1039544785995030528)
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@EddieHinkle Things are getting pretty cool with a combination of Micropub and Microsub compatible tools and services I have complete control over my own reading list (bye bye Instapaper and Pocket) and it even pushes the articles to my Kindle! (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/09/11/5/photo/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039549388253810688)
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Zegnat After some invaluable input from sknebel, I did some more work on sending webmentions in a secure way: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-webmention-endpoint-discovery/wiki/Send-Webmention-to-verified-IP
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Zegnat I’d love to hear if anyone has any comments on that. Still looking for ways to strengten the secureDiscover method too.
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eddiehinkle.com moved /Workflow to /Shortcuts "Apple changed the name of Workflow to Shortcuts"
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Shortcuts (+29) "Change Workflow app name references to Shortcut references" (view diff)
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[eddie] What is Shortcuts?
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Loqi Shortcuts is an iOS app formerly known as Workflow used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Shortcuts
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next hwc" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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swentel [eddie], on your kindle, is that a reader ? or how does it work ?
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[eddie] It’s using grantcodes’ Microsub Notifier app
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[eddie] http://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io
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swentel ooh
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[schmarty] webhook to kindle?
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[eddie] He actually has a Kindle notification now
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[schmarty] ah, nice upgrade
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[eddie] So you select what channel, select Kindle as the type and add your Kindle email address
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[eddie] (you also have to add the email from to your Kindle whitelist)
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[eddie] It’s not 💯 but it’s good enough 🙂
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aaronpk that's awesome
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[eddie] images don’t work and some characters like apostrophe are a bit funky.
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swentel oh, can it send notifications to Aperture too ? I mean, does it send a micropub request ?
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[eddie] Nope. It watches Microsub channels and sends webhooks
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swentel ah right
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swentel like that
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[schmarty] does aperture support websub yet? (dot com)
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swentel because I'm writing something in Drupal now to send a micropub request to aperture, didn't want to reinvent the wheel :)
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aaronpk it does not womp womp
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aaronpk keep upvoting this though https://github.com/aaronpk/Watchtower/issues/1
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Loqi [aaronpk] #1 subscribe to WebSub hubs if available
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[schmarty] oh yeah i guess it's on the watchtower side, since it's a subscription to manage
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[eddie] aaronpk: Does one person upvoting via different emojis count? I could send more emojis
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[eddie] 😆
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aaronpk haha sure
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[eddie] There we go, all positive emojis sent. haha I figured the :thumbsdown: probably wouldn’t be considered an upvote 😆
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[eddie] aaronpk: I’m almost done with a fun PR for one of your projects 🙂
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aaronpk Oh?
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[eddie] Oh wait, images don’t go from Slack to IRC anymore, do they? 😕
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[eddie] Here: https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-FCRDFUU0J-d94cdab0ab
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@jgmac1106 Need to add to the @wordpress #indieweb guides. Get webmentions from sites that do not automatically send webmentions. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6590-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039574163378397185)
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tantek__ I am strongly resisting the tempation to figure out how to post my own indie 'cartridges' than run on this (and run this on my site, and redesign my site UI as 8-bit consistently with this) https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php
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tantek__ background context, thread: https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1038649227818090496
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@mattl Tetrash: A Garbage Game by @NextLevelBanana https://nextlevelbanana.itch.io/tetrash-a-garbage-game played by @t https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmoF9q_VAAALc_q.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1038649227818090496)
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] if we could get he archive.org folks to figure out away to publish save files to your own domain my kids would love you forever, they play so many classic PC games on archive.org that don't save
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tantek__ "classic PC games on archive.org" <- I have deliberately been avoiding that rabbithole
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swentel OMG
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swentel focuses on work again
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tantek__ apologizes for the distraction
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swentel I need to put this on my christmas list
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[jgmac1106] I Portland needs a game called, "Squash the Hippier Than Though Regulations" i can homnestly say I have never been to a city in the US with more rules, very odd mix of free nature and conformity...fun city
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swentel hmm, can a micropub request contain an author ?
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swentel looking to send a request to aperture when a webmention comes in so I can read notifications on indigenous, but not sure how to set the author of that post then
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[eddie] Yeah, I do that in my website
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tantek__ also, would an 8-bit blogging UI be fun, weird, useful, annoying?
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tantek__ (completely with sound effects of course)
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swentel I'd say distracting :)
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[eddie] swentel, Here is my (javascript based) code for webmention notifications via Micropub: https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/abode/blob/f47da2cd05421b7bd607ff8c770e4a6f1e625461/server-src/webmentions/index.ts#L115
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[jgmac1106] kind of like [grantcodes] design
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swentel oh great, thanks [eddie]!
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[jgmac1106] his feels the most 8 bitty
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tantek__ went to find an example like https://grant.codes/2018/02/10/5a7f5850624afb7edf52775a and *just* noticed that the background is *moving* (!!!)
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[jgmac1106] click the color palette in the bottom right and you can change the page around
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swentel yeah, but the browsers goes wild on that page :)
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tantek__ trippy
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[jgmac1106] there 8-bit Wordpress themes but they cost money
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gRegorLove I need to see if I have my old site graphics for gRegorLove 2600
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Loqi gRegorLove: sknebel left you a message 6 days, 6 hours ago: can you use websub.rocks to see what update is sent out from superfeedr?
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[grantcodes] Haha yes, I enjoy my moving background, but it's not super optimized 😛
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sknebel animating stuff on the web without causing CPU spikes seems still to be black art :D
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[grantcodes] That one is really simple too. I had a lot worse ones when I was working on it
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[grantcodes] Not sure what you were looking for tantek?
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tantek__ inspiration :)
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[grantcodes] Ah just design wise?
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tantek__ there's just so much joy in using these playful 8-bit UIs that I was wondering how much (if at all) they would translate from gaming to posting
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tantek__ or reading UIs too
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Zegnat tantek__, I think it is probably best to stay away from pixel fonts for text. It is just never going to be as legible as scalable fonts for modern displays, especially accessibility wise. But pixel-art elements otherwere? Why not! I always like how Shaun does it.
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Zegnat Some pages with per-pixel-design elements: https://shauninman.com/lastrocket/ https://shauninman.com/noisees/
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[grantcodes] You should look at "brutalist" web design http://brutalistwebsites.com/
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Loqi I agree
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[jgmac1106] nope...I just want a left right scroll navigation now....
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Zegnat More gorgeous pixel-art navigation: custom logos in thought bubbles https://web.archive.org/web/20111210030848/https://shauninman.com/pilation/
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Zegnat (Nice design touch there: projects are in thought bubbles, while platforms [social media and selfhosted blog] are in speaking bubbles.)
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[jgmac1106] https://glitch.com/~8-bit-game
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pstuifzand swentel, did you find how to send an author?
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[eddie] pstuifzand: here is my code where I send an author. It works with Aperture: https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/abode/blob/f47da2cd05421b7bd607ff8c770e4a6f1e625461/server-src/webmentions/index.ts#L115
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ webmentions will be interesting  data point. Though think  only publish this data in the aggregate as well. inclusion of pic , name, or website url in any post or publication about the project would require explicit consent. #OpenScience (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6609-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039598510625251329)
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@oldaily Post Kinds, in depth #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/68577 This post is mostly a test of the WebMention functionality I've just built into gRSShopper. (twitter.com/_/status/1039611162743189510)
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tantek__ what is gRSShopper?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gRSShopper" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gRSShopper is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ 🤔
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tantek__ Is it for hopping or shopping?
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gRegorLove hehe
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@oldaily Building a culture of continuous improvement, learning & development at work #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/68578 Yesterday I spent the day learning how to code a progressive web app (PWA). Today I spent it digging into the WebMention specification. (twitter.com/_/status/1039614404327821312)
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[eddie] I'm thinking about an Email bridge to Microsub server. I think there are two main ways we could do this. An email is received and is added to a obscure or protected RSS/JSON/H feed. or An email is received and is sent via Micropub to a Microsub server.
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[eddie] For the feed, I have to keep old copied of the emails on the server
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[eddie] But Micropub conversion wouldn't need a historical record since it would just fire the Micropub request off and after success it can dump the data
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[eddie] Handling feed protection can be a lot but IndieAuth/Micropub is pretty easy
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[eddie] However, feeds work with ALL Microsub servers, Micropub might not work for all Microsub servers
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[eddie] I think I'm leaning toward the Email -> Micropub bridge versus an Email Feed bridge
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[keithjgrant] How does x-ray determine the main h item when none have a u-url matching the current page?
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[keithjgrant] It's magic!
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[keithjgrant] https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeithjgrant.com%2Freplies%2F2018%2F09%2Ftesting-some-webmention-endpoint-discovery%2F&pretty=true
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KartikPrabhu first h-* ?
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[keithjgrant] No, the first is the h-card. It choose the h-entry
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[keithjgrant] (which is correct)
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[keithjgrant] (but I should probably clarify in my markup)
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sknebel first that isn't an h-card I think, but you'd have to check the code
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[schmarty] [keithjgrant]: looks like XRay tries to find the first h-* that is not an h-card. https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/e79872fd374438aef9adec6dcef8bac845c4e317/lib/XRay/Formats/Mf2.php#L108
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sknebel if I remember right, it really doesn't want to pick h-cards
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[keithjgrant] Ah, that makes sense
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[keithjgrant] I'll mimic that
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[keithjgrant] schmarty++
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[keithjgrant] sknebel++
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aaronpk IIRC I was seeing way too many false positive h-cards that were really just a random h-card on a page like a blog post that didn't have other markup
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aaronpk People like to stick h-cards places for some reason even if the page isn't about that h-card
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miklb_ sounds like a WP widget scenario
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miklb_ I've thought about adding a conditional that h-card to only be on the home page
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[schmarty] aaronpk: "only" the other half of bridgy fed still sounds like a lot!
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aaronpk It took a lot to get there lol
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[keithjgrant] I've got my h-card in the header of every page. Not really sure another way to do it, at least with this particular design
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[keithjgrant] (I load page content dynamically and swap out the <main>, so I keep the universal studios outside that)
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[keithjgrant] s/studios/stuff
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[keithjgrant] ...I suppose I could also swap around "h-entry" and "h-feed" classes on the <body> on every update
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aaronpk universal studios 😂
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