#dev 2018-09-12

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@schmarty XOXO Fest happened, fighting in the Fediverse, and new microsub clients bloom. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for September 1st - 7th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/09/11/195743/ (twitter.com/_/status/1039665112406212608)
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@Downes Hostas. https://flic.kr/p/2aZv5Z4 September 11, 2018. One of the nice things about work recently is that I've had the time and space to do some serious learning. Today was a case in point as I tackled WebMentions and wrote some standard-compliant functions. The real outcome here … (twitter.com/_/status/1039668981991448576)
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[keithjgrant] Auto complete knows what's up 😉
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I spent some time with @chrisaldrich this summer exploring how post types and webmentions can create interesting feedback loops in distributed classrooms. So stoked to see how this all works in gRSShopper. The OG headless LMS. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6637-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1039701406515638274)
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@swentel The #Drupal #IndieWeb module is now able to send micropub requests to Aperture on incoming Webmentions to my site, which allows me to create a 'Notifications' channel. One step closer to killing the Twitter client! (twitter.com/_/status/1039829498676563968)
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Zegnat Interesting short on where browser “reading modes” get their metadata from: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/browser-reading-mode-metadata
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Loqi [Daniel Aleksandersen] Web Reading Mode: Title, author, and date metadata extraction
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Zegnat The other posts in that series are interesting research too.
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Zegnat petermolnar ^^^ that feels a little up your alley :)
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tantek__ what is reading mode?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reading mode" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "reading mode is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ might be worth documenting how to do an indieweb version of "reading mode"
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tantek__ could be useful for indieweb readers
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tantek__ all based on standards rather than rando proprietary things and heuristics
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tantek__ and iterate accordingly
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aaronpk Reading mode sounds like something I'm gonna need once I start parsing blog post permalinks to handle blog pages from RSS feeds that don't have microformats
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tantek__ yeah
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snarfed interesting, from https://moa.party/ : "18/07/18: Moa can no longer create replies and mentions on twitter. Text of the form '@user@twitter.com' on Mastodon used to translate to '@user' on twitter but now it translates to just 'user'. This change was made in order to stay compliant with twitter's rules."
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snarfed i'm not familiar with those rule(s)
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aaronpk That sounds vaguely familiar
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aaronpk something about bot accounts not @-mentioning people?
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tantek__ whoa what
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tantek__ uh does that have implications for Bridgy Publish?
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jackjamieson Just dug through moa's issues to try to find an explanation. I couldn't find a solid explanation except in #49 "Apparently it's against the rules to use automation to create replies and mentions. I" and in #53 "...I removed the '@' in twitter handles because another cross-posting service got banned from twitter for doing that and so I followed suit to avoid a problem."
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snarfed no clue
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG Zegnat, thanks for the article
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jackjamieson Good afternoon GWG
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GWG Hi, jackjamieson.
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GWG I read through your yarn code
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GWG I think I can fix some things you inherited from other plugins that I recognize
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GWG Haven't had time to install and test though
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jackjamieson Thanks GWG, that'd be great. There's a fair bit copied from the webmention and post kinds plugins, and much of the project was a learning experience so I have no doubt there are some rough patches
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GWG I will get to it.
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GWG I want to use the product
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jackjamieson :) Me too
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GWG Are you?
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jackjamieson It's getting close to fitting my needs, but still a few bumps here and there. I use it with Together as my main reader now
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GWG I learned by reading pfefferle's code
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GWG I had not done much WordPress development before joining the community
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jackjamieson That's a surprise
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jackjamieson I did a fair amount of theme work from about 2012-2015, but my indieweb projects have generally been more complicated
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jackjamieson So I've been learning a lot
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GWG Best way to learn is to do
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GWG I have been doing since 2014 in the community
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jackjamieson I strongly agree, everything I know about development is from starting projects and then figuring out along the way how to finish them
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GWG I see some expensive database queries you can optimize
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GWG Reading on my phone
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[keithjgrant] using webmention.rocks as a test endpoint
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[keithjgrant] webmention.rocks++
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Loqi webmention.rocks has 1 karma over the last year
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jackjamieson Optimization is definitely an area for improvement for me
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GWG Me too
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GWG You inspired me to do some as you know
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jackjamieson This microsub server is probably the first project I've worked on where optimization is really important, since slow performance becomes very evident and the polling is pretty expensive
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jackjamieson And I'll happily take any suggestions you have :)
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GWG Same here. That's why I worked on fixing performance
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GWG You should try polling with cron
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GWG As opposed to wp cron
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jackjamieson Hmmm, any suggestions for references about doing that, or examples? I just did a quick google and it seems like result is referring to wp-cron
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GWG Well, look for disable wp cron and run it using a system cron job
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GWG But most people won't do that so you still need both
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jackjamieson I see - looking this up now
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jackjamieson GWG: Adding an issue so it's on my list - that's a good idea. I'm going to take care of a couple other things first, which will give me some time to figure it out
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[jgmac1106] I got suspended for @ mentioning mlb players from a Micropub client during All Star game
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aaronpk wow
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Zegnat That’s odd. The Micropub client (or really: brid.gy or your website) are just like any other Twitter client. You use them to post to your timeline.
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[eddie] I wonder if you @-mentioned a bunch of people in Tweetbot or similar if they would also suspend you?
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[eddie] Since those aren't in the correct "quadrant" of their developer diagram.
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aaronpk I'm guessing they've whitelisted their own apps and maybe some other ones like tweetbot, but any other api usage sets off the Bot detector alarms
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tantek__ heck sometimes not doing anything at all sets off the bot detector alarms :(
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tantek__ has a bunch of accounts he still has to file support requests for
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aaronpk I've pretty much stopped using Facebook, and I'm getting close to abandoning twitter if I'm gonna have to jump through hoops like this
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tantek__ definitely makes me want to POSSE to Twitter less
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tantek__ I think @-mentions outside of @-replies are more sensitive
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tantek__ *especially* @-mentions of people that don't follow you
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aaronpk Ah that is likely
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tantek__ I *think* you get *one*
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tantek__ (pure suspicion, no data on this)
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tantek__ I remember Kevinmarks got locked for live-tweeting where he was using @-name of speaker in his noterlive way
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tantek__ one workaround is to use @-name and #-name on first mention, and note that subsequent references will use #, and if name would prefer more @-mentions, please follow to indicate as much.
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tantek__ edge case limitation: #-name doesn't link for @-names that start with a number
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gRegorLove What is Google Inbox?
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Loqi Google Inbox is a mobile+web application that adds functionality on top of Gmail https://indieweb.org/Google_Inbox
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gRegorLove Google Inbox << [https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17848500/google-inbox-shut-down-sunset-snooze-email-march-2019 Google’s Inbox app is shutting down in March 2019]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17848500/google-inbox-shut-down-sunset-snooze-email-march-2019 Google’s Inbox app is shutting down in March 2019]" to the "See Also" section of /Google_Inbox https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51582&oldid=14933
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tantek.com edited /pronoun (+637) "Brainstorming, move markup notes here and link to mf wiki, IndieWebCamp pins, some ideas" (view diff)
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tantek__ I vaguely remember thinking the OSBridge ones were nice
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aaronpk hmm, pictures?