[eddie]No offense to those who like it, but it’s not something for me. I know Google has made a new programming language Kotlin? Which makes me somewhat curious
[eddie]so I want something to track and detect my location and motion and be able to intelligently guess when I’ve stopped somehwhere and when I might have been traveling (walking, biking, etc)
[eddie]So you have some app that detects transportation and visits, and then you need to be able to turn those transportation into Micropub Trip post after clarifying how you were transporting yourself and visits into Checkins after you clarify where you were and maybe add a photo
tantek.comedited /Leaders (+6730) "flatten a bit, move [[Events]] issues and brainstorming to here instead of cluttering up the events page" (view diff)
ZegnatIt's not even legally relevant in the us, right? Copyright is assigned as soon as you produce the work. Next step is to go and register it formally, which also doesn't require the footer?
tantek___Zegnat IANAL, just remember hearing there is some difference in default copyright assignment upon work production, and the "All Rights Reserved" (supposedly reserves more rights?)
jgmac1106what do people skilled with html parsers think? could I develop a system to track specific elements, classes and properties use on a page? Even if done thorugh a CMS the page should change over time. Could I automate a system to parse specific pages at specific intervals?
jgmac1106good to hear, I really think I could use this, and given enough funding (sample size) could look at the effect size in growth curve models as I tweak my interventions
ZegnatI can give you a better answer if I know exactly what you would check. But simple statistics over HTML elements or class-name usage shouldn’t be hard to extract at all
jgmac1106Now could I set up telegraph to capture inbound webmentons of participants and store those somehow? or just simply set up additional feeds like you do with comments?
Zegnatjgmac1106, also note, if participants are using webmention.io or webmention.heroku you can actually eavesdrop on the mentions they are receiving through the API.
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "graduate student" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "graduate student is ____", a sentence describing the term)
ZegnatEither people are receiving their mentions in private (WP plugin, mentions straight to their own DB), or on a public service with a fully public API (wm.io and wm.heroku)
[manton]Micropub question I've been meaning to ask for a while: for the form-encoded version of posting, is there a convention for providing an alt tag to a photo, e.g. something like mp-alt? I know the spec recommends using the JSON version for alt tags, but I'm concerned about switching posting to JSON from the Micro.blog iOS app just for this feature since it might break compatibility with some endpoints.
Loqi[manton]: stevestreza left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: I've actually been thinking about building journaling apps on IndieWeb stuff :) Still getting my hands dirty with stuff like micropub and activitypub to figure out how best to start using it
ZegnatI think the formencoded variant is supposed to be a single flat mf2 object. There is no “alt” property for h-entry. So you would end up with some proprietary mp-* property
snarfed[jgmac1106] re "track specific elements, classes and properties use on a page," https://indiemap.org/ is obviously one example of that. not over time (yet), but the way it does analytics, queryability, and vis is pretty comprehensive.
Zegnatmp-photo-alt could totally work as being the alt text associated with the photo property. Or something like it. Just needs to be documented if we have a use-case. And sounds like [manton] has the use-case :)
ZegnatEverything starting with mp-* should not be added to the h-entry as a property and should instead be seen as a command to the endpoint. In this case the command is just to associate the provided text with the photo.
[eddie]If you include multiple photos in JSON syntax, the alt text is embedded so it applies to each individual photo. But if you just have a mp-photo-alt does it apply to photo 1, 2 or 3 in the array?
[eddie]Correct, I shouldn't have mentioned the JSON I think it just confused things 🙂 But my point is you can upload multiple photos in form-encoded syntax, correct?
ZegnatIt might get a little messy if you start to have multiple properties you need alt text for ... but at that point we should really urge the upgrade to posting JSON
ZegnatI think a lot of people here are actually storing mf2 JSON (in some form) from their endpoint. So the first thing they do when recieving form-encoded is converting it to mf2. Which is a really straightforward process.
Loqi[Eugen] Okay I didn't mention what the "special attribute" was because I didn't want to alienate the non-dev audience, but I'm getting a lot of suggestions for complicated things, so yeah, I meant microformats rel="me", it's the simplest thing, why would you...
LoqiUsing rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel-me
Loqi[Eugen] Okay I didn't mention what the "special attribute" was because I didn't want to alienate the non-dev audience, but I'm getting a lot of suggestions for complicated things, so yeah, I meant microformats rel="me", it's the simplest thing, why would you...
Loqi[Eugen] @JonathanGerlach DNS doesn't work as well because not everyone knows how to edit DNS records. It's easy to put a rel="me" link in your tumblr bio, or drop in on your sharing hosting site, but it might not even be possible for you to edit your DNS rec...
Loqi[Eugen] @JonathanGerlach DNS doesn't work as well because not everyone knows how to edit DNS records. It's easy to put a rel="me" link in your tumblr bio, or drop in on your sharing hosting site, but it might not even be possible for you to edit your DNS rec...
[jgmac1106] Google Location History...but they got a few extra resources
Loqi Moves is a location tracking app that was acquired by Facebook, and is shutting down at the end of July 2018 https://indieweb.org/Moves
[keithjgrant] Got my static site automatically sending webmentions! 🎉
@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (3.1.0): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll:
* Tags
*… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1040470992617984000)
[Tom_Morris] in ur wiki again, folks
tantek.com edited /Leaders (+6730) "flatten a bit, move [[Events]] issues and brainstorming to here instead of cluttering up the events page" (view diff)
loqi.me created /Nürnberg_Web_Week (+39) "prompted by tantek___ and redirect added by tantek___" (view diff)
tantek___ I really like the comments display on Charlie's posts, e.g. https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/abandon-twitter
gRegorLove And the footer "© Some shit about copyright and year that isn't actually in any way relevant or legal, but is a classic "we've always done it like that" thing.
@jgmac1106 ↩️ Well more than hypothesize, it’s a formative experiment. I expect and will encourage family members to throw up spaces for other family/friends on subdomains. Going to play but only report webmentions in aggregate. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/6823-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1040674260358979584)
Zegnat Example: https://jeena.net/events/25
[manton] Micropub question I've been meaning to ask for a while: for the form-encoded version of posting, is there a convention for providing an alt tag to a photo, e.g. something like mp-alt? I know the spec recommends using the JSON version for alt tags, but I'm concerned about switching posting to JSON from the Micro.blog iOS app just for this feature since it might break compatibility with some endpoints.