#dev 2018-09-29

2018-09-29 UTC
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[kevinmarks] Nope, different github
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GWG It's quiet
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gRegorLove chirps
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jacky o.O
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GWG I missed context there
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AngeloGladding of course everything a la indieweb
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jacky GWG: me too
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GWG AngeloGladding: I feel like you posted a snipped of something without me understanding what it was related to
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jacky that said
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jacky GWG: you got any goals upcoming with indiebookclub?
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GWG jacky: Me? I've barely used it. Why?
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GWG gRegorLove is responsible for it
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jacky agh my bad
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jacky I thought you were gregor >_<
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GWG I'm the WordPress guy, I guess
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jacky lol
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GWG jacky: I roomed with him at two IWCs.
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GWG But no
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jacky gotcha
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GWG I hope they let me take my data out of everywhere and put it everywhere
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AngeloGladding my biggest takeaway was one thing she [googler] said along the lines of "we haven't figured out ownership of social networks" when asked about pulling relationship data
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AngeloGladding it was a hard reminder that they own the social network currently
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GWG I took it more as they hadn't figured out if you own your contacts, or if each contact owns their own information
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AngeloGladding i talked briefly with Zegnat a couple days ago about roughly that
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AngeloGladding it's a really tough problem
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GWG Well, I remember it being discussed in regard to the avatar on a displayed webmention.
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GWG When it is backfed.
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AngeloGladding photo was one of Zegnat's examples
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GWG The liker didn't necessarily give you permission for that
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AngeloGladding gender too
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AngeloGladding yeah i've reimplented my backend to be versioned by git
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AngeloGladding and i'm not rethinking metadata
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AngeloGladding like mentions, face photos, etc
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GWG I tend to think that I would comply if anyone wanted it down.
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AngeloGladding it should be automated somehow
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GWG A takedown form for personal sites?
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AngeloGladding like they remove the photo from their like page and send you an updated webmention
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AngeloGladding you recrawl and discover no photo so you update your copy to reflect
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GWG Yes.
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GWG But that only works for non-backfed sites.
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AngeloGladding ah yes
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AngeloGladding oh i see what you mean
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AngeloGladding thought you meant static sites..
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AngeloGladding so google has to implement indieweb features themselves
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AngeloGladding otherwise we can only make the bridges so sophisticated
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AngeloGladding i feel like that may be...
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AngeloGladding a bridge too far
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AngeloGladding that's all for me guys!
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gRegorLove jacky, I'm cleaning up the code to open source it, hopefully soon, then work on some of the open issues
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jacky :D
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jacky awesome
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gRegorLove Nothing too major, but a visibility property, ability to edit posts
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gRegorLove Looking for anything in particular?
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jacky well I'm getting closer to moving off Jekyll to my own IndieWeb site
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jacky and I figured testing it out with indiebookclub felt fitting!
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@scott_gruber .@ChrisAldrich @royboy789 @aaronproctor @SisyphusBowles et al. Would you be interested to talk at Innovate Pasadena in Oct? I’m putting together a session on topics like WordPress, CSS, Accessibility, Performance or the IndieWeb. DM or webmention me. https://scottgruber.me/blog/2018-09-28-speaking-opportunities-at-innovate-pasadena (twitter.com/_/status/1045906900846432256)
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[schmarty] [eddie] “Indigenous beta has expired” 😭😭😱😭😭
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[eddie] Oh no!
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[eddie] Let me see what I can do
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[eddie] Although I think the App Store version and the TestFlight version are basically the same right now
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[eddie] But I don’t want people on TestFlight to have to switch back and forth since I’m planning on doing some more beta tests soon
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dougbeal aaronpk: telegraph doesn't support pingbacks?
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aaronpk it should send pingbacks
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dougbeal aaronpk: I guess thats why the page is a stub 😂
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aaronpk 😱 foursquare api pricing
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aaronpk $600/month
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KartikPrabhu wow!
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dougbeal foursquare--
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Loqi foursquare has -1 karma over the last year
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tantek__ foursquare++ charging developers is not a bad revenue model!
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Loqi foursquare has 0 karma over the last year
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tantek__ all you need is one foursquare app for your site anyway right? to do all the POSSE & backfeed? :)
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], I am getting an error page: http://mention.tech/listmentions?target=https%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F&unverified=on
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Zegnat It also failed to deliver the mention (see mention.tech homepage).
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[kevinmarks] I'll have a look
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Zegnat No rush, I have to run in a bit, and am working to set this up with Gearman on my own back-end to have asynchronous scalable webmention sending
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dougbeal What is mentions.tech
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mentions.tech" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mentions.tech is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal What is mention.tech
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mention.tech" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mention.tech is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal mention.tech is [[mention-tech]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ what is undo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "undo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "undo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk wat
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@jackjamieson Been enjoying IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 yesterday and today. Wish I could be there in person but remote participation is a close second. Today’s project:  I’m working on  an admin interface for Yarns Microsub Server, so it will be possible to manage feed… https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-AQ (twitter.com/_/status/1046033337557692416)
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tantek__ undo is a common action you can take (often a button or menu item) to reverse the effects of the previous action, ideally as if the action had never occured; on the indieweb, you may want to undo a [[post]], a [[delete|deletion]], or an [[update]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ undo << /2018/NYC/undo
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Loqi ok, I added "/2018/NYC/undo" to a brand new "See Also" section of /undo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52240&oldid=52239
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[kevinmarks] @zegnat it should now show no mention (it was trying to lookup the parsed target, which didn't exist as the source didn't link there)
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[kevinmarks] finds source URLs with emoji in
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[kevinmarks] ahem doug
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@fast_peru CP208LG-W3v3 Sistema de subwoofer cerrado con controladores de subwoofer 8W3v3-4 duales, alfombra negra (500 W, 2 Ω) - Gabinete con puerto Este increíble sistema subwoofer MicroSub ™… https://www.instagram.com/p/BoUCLA7nEKF/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1f241pj9e1f9i (twitter.com/_/status/1046041219221127169)
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dougbeal kevinmarks: to the future, and beyond!
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Loqi totally
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dougbeal What is python-indieweb
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "python-indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "python-indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal Where for art python-indieweb?
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dougbeal python-indieweb is https://github.com/bear/python-indieweb
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Loqi ok
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dougbeal maybe
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Loqi [bear] python-indieweb: Example Flask App to test Indieweb features
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bear o/
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dougbeal bear: going to try jamming simplemonitor into python-indieweb to get indieping.me :)
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bear cool - do you want me to add you as a collaborator
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bear I would rather have a real example for that
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dougbeal Sure
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dougbeal dougbeal on github
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bear what is your github id ?
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bear k
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bear invite sent
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dougbeal I'm thinking create a docker image so it can be easily deployed on a server and interact with indielogin/etc
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dougbeal Though it would be nice to have a docker-compose that creates an entire local infrastructe to play with
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bear docker image sounds perfect - i've done that for some of my other projects
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bear please do just make whatever changes you need/want
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bear my only ask is modern python version and as close to PEP8 as you can get
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bear if I don't like a change I will hash it out here or as an issue :)
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dougbeal Sounds good
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dougbeal Is bearlib no longer a dependency?
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[schmarty] [aaronpk]: /micropub_media_endpoint lists this gist as your current media endpoint code: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/4bee1753688ca9f3036d6f31377edf14 however, i think you have since added a feature to return the URL to the last uploaded file? or is that on your regular micropub endpoint?
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bear I tend to refactor bearlib out if I want it to be a more common example
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dougbeal Is modern python code word for python3?
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bear python 3 or 2.7 with the 3 compatible libs
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sknebel I should probably also try to extract some of my python stuff into libs at some point...
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aaronpk [schmarty]: i'm still using mostly that code, let me update it
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dougbeal Its python2 now?
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aaronpk updated
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bear I think it is python 2
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bear running a few errands - will be AFK for a hour or so
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aaronpk [schmarty]: https://github.com/ssnepenthe/color-utils :D :D :D
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Loqi [ssnepenthe] color-utils: A PHP library for performing SASS-like color manipulations.
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[schmarty] aaronpk: sweet!
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[schmarty] haha wait what manipulations are you doing on the server?
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[schmarty] oh right like if you want to convert RGB to HSL, mybad.
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aaronpk i'm doing this all server side
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aaronpk to generate the css gradient on the server
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[schmarty] yep, that sounds great!
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Zegnat does a scramble to produce a demo
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@jackjamieson Update on my IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 project, adding an interface for channel management to Yarns Microsub Server. It’s ugly, but it works: Still in progress, but it’s now possible to subscribe to feeds from the WordPress dashboard.  Previously feed… https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-AS (twitter.com/_/status/1046111939548651521)
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] yes…I only had 23 minutes to make mine
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Zegnat I think my code works, but I don’t know how to show it off, hahaha
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Loqi rofl
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[Rose] Rainbow colouring?
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Zegnat aaronpk, if you have 5 seconds and the capability to, can you see whether wm.rocks received a webmention from me a few minutes abo?
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Zegnat s/abo/ago/
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Zegnat If not, go hang out with the people there and have a great afternoon!
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Zegnat I think I may have found out why my demo failed.
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Zegnat I am doing that thing where I cache the discovered endpoint for a host. Which of course fails for webmention.rocks because every page has its own endpoint
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sknebel hah
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Zegnat Literally any other website as test would have worked *facepalm*
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[Rose] Oops
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aaronpk hah yep
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Zegnat Version two will correct for that. Tomorrow.
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@xorhearts ↩️ @EricaJoy https://indieauth.com/ has been trying to address this problem, as part of the larger indie web movement. (twitter.com/_/status/1046154598703140864)
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