#dev 2018-10-05
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Loqi MarsEdit is a Mac desktop app for blogging, specifically supporting posting to your WordPress blog https://indieweb.org/MarsEdit
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Though I showed the webmention badging prototype to my VP and CIO and he was like, “Wait we can send badges from our domain, using just HTML files?” and was amazed. Simple is complex and complexity masks failed attempts at simple too often. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7705-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1048030850019938305)
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# @jgmac1106 Wow! What great memories. Somehow I get a webmention from Google+ on a three year old post. It was launch of #Walkmyworld 2015. We had kids from Australia to Austin blogging. Emerged from @NCTE poetry project about Robert Hass. http://jgregorymcverry.com/walkmyworld-2015-connect-before-content/ (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7713-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1048054240550313984)
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[jgmac1106] I know how to build a form and know how to have the data post to a server, but how can I trigger the creation of a new html file from a form? That is today's learning goal
# [jgmac1106] makes sense, thx
# [jgmac1106] I was just going to use javascript and JQuery
# [jgmac1106] oooh server side, I havent decided yet. Want to make something easier for others to use
# [jgmac1106] probably just PHP
# [jgmac1106] or Python, but I know more PHP
# [jgmac1106] cweiske++
# [jgmac1106] yeah I don't even really want to store the data, just want to be able to generate the html files for the webmention badging app I am working on
# [jgmac1106] alas I have to take kids to school today, cutting into my morning hack time
# @jgmac1106 @toolness @iamjessklein working on browser –@POST–> server -> script -> creates file for webmention badges this weekend. need to strip away JSON-LD and get down to just the badge builder. https://github.com/jgmac1106/badgemaker-prototype (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7721-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1048164881655111680)
# @jgmac1106 maybe it is best to start with https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#Libraries and build out…..still think I will start with just getting the file output with the microformats I want, connect the badge builder, and then worry about sending/receiving (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7723-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1048173099513008129)
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jeremycherfas I have a PHP script on my local server that writes stuff to my Known instance. I would quite like to automate it as a cron job. Current problem is that when I call the file from the terminal it fails to find a file it needs to read. When I call it from the browser, it finds that file. So, do I need to provide an absolute URL for the file to read?
# jeremycherfas The one I need to read? RSSCache.txt
# jeremycherfas It lives in the same directory as reading-2-known.php which is the one I run from the terminal
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cweiske do you "cd /path/to/my/script" and then "php reading-2-known.php"?
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# jeremycherfas I assume the PHP knows where it is and looks in its directory for the file. Do I need to CD into that directory first?
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[schmarty] GWG: /Screech does, but i no longer really use that feature.
# [schmarty] GWG: screech grabs that and sends it in the micropub creation request for the post. my backend stores it and i use it to render the RSS feed.
# [schmarty] but i don't use it in my rendered mf2 in the page
# [jgmac1106] gwg look at tthe podcasting plugin I use, it pulls that data
# [jgmac1106] nothing wrong with mvp, pick one feature and push, add more later
# jeremycherfas I'm not sure where I was in the shell. I just tried for the first time. I need to go back and read about direrctories in PHP.
# jeremycherfas I thought it would be easy to just run the PHP with cron. But maybe it is actually easier to make another script that includes the CD and that then runs the PHP, and let that be the script that Cron runs.
# jeremycherfas OK. I'll try that first.
# jeremycherfas Thanks both.
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# jeremycherfas Arggh. DIR does not include the trailing slash.
# jeremycherfas Thanks zegnat, on behalf of every PHP programmer that will come after me.
# jeremycherfas In other news, it works. From Terminal. Not made it to Cron yet because I need to test further. And the code is now very crufty.
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# jeremycherfas A tactical one, maybe.
# Loqi Exif is the Exchangeable Image File Format, the most common format to embed image metadata into images https://indieweb.org/EXIF
# [jgmac1106] how does flickr handle metadata of photos?
# [jgmac1106] no every photo has exif data unless people putting that in themeselves
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sknebel I think they've had this display for a long time, but I might be misremembering: https://www.flickr.com/photos/22020982@N05/39446898795/
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# [schmarty] [tantek]: i just ported my shorturl generation (2 sets of newbase60 dates) to Hugo templates (which have no real loops to speak of and no easy way to bring in external Go libs) and I feel like a haxx0r 😂
# [schmarty] (err, one 3-digit newbase60 date, one 3-digit newbase60 seconds-in-day)
# [jgmac1106] @schmary just realized if I want to put all these parts on Glitch I should probably build a node app coorect?
# [jgmac1106] [schmarty], sorry
# [schmarty] [jgmac1106] depends what you mean by parts, but as far as i understand glitch.com runs javascript serverside via node, yep.
# [schmarty] back in a while. flying to atlanta.
# [jgmac1106] right now just building the forms and the outputs
# [jgmac1106] was gonna start with PHP but might use their starter pack for others
# [jgmac1106] ...and there are a ton of express apps
# [jgmac1106] sweet
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# [schmarty] [tantek] it's part of my "stop talking about it and port the site to Hugo" push to get my build times down below ~1-2 minutes. :}
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dougbeal sknebel: Flickr, https://flic.kr/p/5Hcyh5
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# [jgmac1106] got to here on the webmention badging app which wasn't too far...https://github.com/jgmac1106/badgemaker-prototype just trying to get the template output files made first
# [jgmac1106] going back to read student blogs for awhile before redefining variables and writing functions
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@ottonomy ↩️ If I show how this can be done and still be a valid Open Badge would you consider that 25% extra effort on the creation side may be worth it to make it portable/verifiable? Maybe one extra data property with a string value that is created by the generator? https://github.com/ottonomy/webmention-badges/blob/master/examplebadge.html#L10 (twitter.com/_/status/1048303845267238912)
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[grantcodes] If I have a post that has a created date and a published date and I want the permalink to include the date what is the opinion on the date I should use?
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gRegorLove I would lean towards published, especially if it's not publicly available before then in a stream or feed.
# gRegorLove I do similarly with event posts. the dt-start is used in the permalink, but it has an earlier dt-published
# gRegorLove May be more on /url_design
# [grantcodes] Oh the irony of the article about bad url design being a 404 now
# gRegorLove haha
# gRegorLove Will update with archived version: http://web.archive.org/web/20170130094644/http://manas.tungare.name:80/blog/url-design-sins-16-things-that-dont-belong-in-urls/
# [grantcodes] The article is still there. Just doesn't work with a trailing slash
# [grantcodes] So I also updated it
# [grantcodes] But still no thoughts on created vs published date there.
# gRegorLove Time to add our own :)
# gRegorLove What are your thoughts?
# gRegorLove WordPress uses the published date field, regardless of back- or forward-dating
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# [grantcodes] Not sure what I think really yet.
# [grantcodes] The only place I currently use it intentionally is for photo posts where the photo could have been taken ages ago but not published for a long time
# gRegorLove Right. the slug in archives is the published date.
# gRegorLove We're agreeing :)
# [grantcodes] Ha wow that's from a while back
# [grantcodes] I saw rolling stone I think it was has some stuff in there they had backdated from magazines before the internet existied
# [grantcodes] GWG: Yep. And I thought 1999 was quite a while ago 😛
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (3.3.0): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll:
* Tags
*… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1048322249491668992)
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