#dev 2018-10-09
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# tantek or if I'm mistaken and you already have a simple /follow post example on your site, can you link to its permalink in https://indieweb.org/follow#Greg_McVerry ?
# jgmac1106 I do this for using @zegnat example: http://jgregorymcverry.com/7117-2/
# Loqi [Greg McVerry] I just added Literacy, Technology, Policy, Etc….A Blog by @jenroberts1 to my following page at https://jgregorymcverry.com/following #BeYourownSocialNetwork
# jgmac1106 Problem solved. When I add someone to my folloiwng page, I then post a note to whatever network is that person’s primary connectioon with me, be it twitter, microblog, or mastodon, so I am usually syndicating this note said network and need to include the @mention Iso I throw in a link to that profile
# KartikPrabhu really?
# KartikPrabhu my site's name is not my name
# [jgmac1106] the bloggers I follow are an anachronism in current social media
# [jgmac1106] I would say my network trends a bit more to titles then no titles...though I could do the actual math]
# [jgmac1106] I am an even stranger case as my blog as a title, but the url is my name
# KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: me too
# [jgmac1106] though now looking at how the lionks manager spit out the description of each website and labeled it title I am peeved, not a title,
# [jgmac1106] but I can fix that
# jacky I'm doing this atm https://indieweb.org/Koype#Progress_Log
# tantek__ jacky I keep track of a semi-prioritized list of feature/fixes I'm working on here: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Working_On
# tantek__ and the less prioritized / less structured set of itches here: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Itches
# tantek__ jacky, at a higher level: https://indieweb.org/User:Tantek.com#itches
# [jgmac1106] a ton of people keep an itches section on their indiweb.org pages, I think it is in wikify directions
# [jgmac1106] mine are more project specific http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/04/pulling-the-ripcord-on-wordpress-indieweb and I have on again off again: http://jgregorymcverry.com/to-do-list/
# [jgmac1106] ...which used to be way longer then a week......needs to go look through revision history
# [jgmac1106] but I would add a Pomodoro micropub to-do/goals/itch client to my pie-in-the-sky goal list
# [jgmac1106] darn...revision missing.....finding my missing to-do list added to the to-do list
# [jgmac1106] nobody owns...http://scratchmyitch.es/ can be yours for just 19.99
# [jgmac1106] I don't want to use the phrase but think thats a domain that can be flipped
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# [tantek] Some metacrap fail on this article https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/08/google-reportedly-exposed-private-data-of-at-least-hundreds-of-thousands-of-plus-users.html
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# jacky it's based on https://pending.schema.org/speakable it looks like
# [jgmac1106] or in the case of education you must pay a member fee to be on standards boards for "open standards"
# jgmac1106 and one rsvp from you: http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
# Loqi [john] Hi Greg,
Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this:
http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
# [jgmac1106] but I do consider it quite the regal honor you choose to attend my blog...I have no idea how Christina Warren is the only person to like my blog when I am sure that never happened
# [jgmac1106] semantic-linkback plugin plus the theme..but this is a rabbit hole, getting away from WordPress for a reason
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# [jgmac1106] but thanks for thinking on h-card
# [jgmac1106] thought this could happen, we were discussing use cases of when to add an hcard for someone else in a post
# Loqi A mentions page lists webmentions sent to a website https://indieweb.org/mentions
# [jgmac1106] my generic mentions were going to be example of consuming but...interstices....
# [jgmac1106] okay I had to pick something will make a new page
# [jgmac1106] It won't on the redesign: https://github.com/jgmac1106/homepage but will make mention page for now on WP
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ I was trying to use webmentions to say t answer to number 3: give kids place to shape their own truths online before telling them to see how truth shaped online....but my syndication poofed out..conspiracy (no user error I am sure) made you a tag instead: http://jgregorymcverry.com/tag/holden/ (twitter.com/_/status/1049482129673990145)
# AngeloGladding jacky your project will be written in elixir, correct?
# AngeloGladding you can, sure
# AngeloGladding i'm writing a SWAT0 user story using canopy instances for Alice, Bob and Carol
# AngeloGladding now that i'm writing tests
# gRegorLove [jgmac1106]'s about page shows up as the first h-cite because xray prefers the h-cite for some reason
# gRegorLove that's in the -wordpress logs recently, last week I think
# AngeloGladding and although as a monoculture it won't be technically passing SWAT
# AngeloGladding i thought it might be interesting to test *with* other reproducible software builds
# AngeloGladding so if your framework is ever cloneable and buildable let me know and i'll try to include it
# [jgmac1106] jacky you need to follow the moodlenet team and make use they stay IndieWeb as Moodle is turning to elixir and not php for their new social network
# AngeloGladding so *when* it's buildable :)
# AngeloGladding i just reread /monoculture
# @joe4ska Testing the webmention plugin after reading a blog post by @ChrisAldrich. https://www.linuxbookpro.com/testing-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1049489639956930560)
# @joe4ska ↩️ Specifically this article on @alistapart at https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1049491411106652160)
# @joe4ska another webmentions test to https://www.linuxbookpro.com/testing-webmentions/ from twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1049498810861334528)
# @jr_sawv Test post 08oct2018
Nothing to see here. Checking to see if http://brid.gy still works. (http://sawv.org/notes/test-post-08oct2018.html) (twitter.com/_/status/1049502558182629376)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Be sure to add in the Semantic Linkbacks plugin as well to display prettier Webmentions on your site (especially if you link it with Bridgy for replies from Twitter et al). You mileage on them may vary depending on how well supported your theme [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2018/10/05/i-overcame-glossophobia-at-wordcamp-riverside-wordcamp-riverside-2018/?replytocom=101173#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1049511487381757952)
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# [jgmac1106] sooo excited for galleries, for the WP crowd this is probably no 1 requested feature
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# [jgmac1106] has anyone had this happen before with Bridgy....you go to authroize the app and you have to click authorize app a few times, but then when you go to publish it still says you are not signed in?
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# [jgmac1106] jacky your ears must be ringing I was just sharing your work in another slack channel with the Moodlenet dev team, they are forking plemora and unsing elixir, want to see if folks have webmention and indielogin stuff already.
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# [jgmac1106] yeah looking for the blog post
# [jgmac1106] anyone have this happen before I can't figure out Bridgy right now: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/09/having-trouble-with-bridgy
# sknebel [jgmac1106]: I'd assume it is still this? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/845
# jeremycherfas !tell aaronpk For #knownchat, IRC is bridging to Slack, but Slack is not bridging back to IRC.
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# Zegnat jeremycherfas, could you share the following in #knownchat for me, I can’t write there: “This chat is moderated to combat spam, only users with +v can speak. Sadly, Loqi can no longer grant people +v status, so if you are just joining on IRC or using Slack your messages will not be posted.”
# [jgmac1106] thx @zegnat I was wondering what was happening
# jeremycherfas Done. I thought benwerd had granted someone else ops status.
# jgmac1106 [jacky] here is more info on elixir and activity stream and the moodelnet fork of plemora: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/MoodleNet/tech
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# [jgmac1106] @zegnat been trying to introduce you to [stefan] for some time,
# [jgmac1106] I will find the glitch project, one sec
# fourtonfish Actually that’s a separate project, ~fediverse-bot works with Mastodon API. The standalone bot is not yet remixable, because I am actively working on it, but check out the GitHub page above, there is a link that lets you import it to Glitch.
# fourtonfish I hope that makes sense. ~fediverse-bot works with Mastodon API, so all the content goes straight to whatever Mastodon instance you set your bot up on. With the other project, you host all the content on Glitch (and, optionally, NeoCities, for images), and only federate it. I also plan on making it easy to host it outside of Glitch.
# @KempfCreative I am very interested in where WebMentions https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ fit into the design pattern of Linked Data https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html, if at all?. @timberners_lee (twitter.com/_/status/1049673705142538240)
# [jgmac1106] @fourtonfish looking for way to spin up chatrooms for an IndieWeb course template. Mastodon comes closest to what I want. Thinking a bot, combined with different feeds for different channels be interesting
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# jgmac1106_ @fourtonfish I was also telling @aaronpk about the Slack bot you made that just seamlessly moves conversations between channels, we don’t have that for IRC but its neat
# @manton2 Webmention improvements on http://Micro.blog: https://www.manton.org/2018/10/09/webmention-improvements-on.html (twitter.com/_/status/1049683585593208832)
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# jgmac1106_ took a long while but finally got signed back into Brid.gy, not sure what I was doing wrong
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# jgmac1106_ super stoked for the webmention improvements, congrats
# fourtonfish @jgmac1106 Yeah, there is some pretty cool stuff you can do with this, nice seeing it used for education as well. As for Sidekick, the original idea was to make it modular and easy to remix for your own Slack group, but I feel like there’s a little too much functionality that’s Botmakers-specific…I didn’t really get any feedback in terms of people wanting to use the bot, but if you need any help getting just that functionality, let me know
# [manton] By the way, something I noticed this week while testing that I don't think I had seen before... I'm getting GET requests on M.b's Webmention endpoint pretty often from a web browser. I only accept POSTs currently but wondering if I should do something for GETs, or if this is just a browser fluke where it is trying to pre-fetch the page or something.
# aaronpk a sort of convention people have been adopting is to show a webmention form if a browser fetches the endpoint https://aaronparecki.com/webmention
# jgmac1106_ [fourtonfish] as someone who is teaching in slack I would love sidekick, my kids post to wrong channels all the time
# jgmac1106_ we use a gentle human nudge here but he have talked ablotu making some loqi memes for a more “aggressive negotiation"
# jgmac1106_ just an example, gonna get into bot dev talk
# jgmac1106_ [fourtonfish] I need some kind of chat interface when teaching in a push/pull distributed manner…but IRC is out, I want columns like Tweetdeck and Mastodon,,problem with Mastodon no webmentions and broken threads. Could a Mastodon bot send a webmention, a reply post, to a specific url included in my OG toot, if someone replied to said toot on Mastodon?
# jgmac1106_ I thought about just making feeds for note types put the polling makes real time chat impossible
# jgmac1106_ though I haven’t taken the time to look at Fed Bridgy…in the process of switching back to Known from WordPress so all my activitypub POSSE stuff on hold for a hot sec
# fourtonfish jgmac1106_: Yes, you could do that, the only problem with the Glitch project you posted earlier is that this one is more suitable for bots that post on a schedule. I wasn’t able to get the webhook to work, so for replies it actually polls for new notifications and responds to those. Not a huge problem for most art bots, but you’d need to wake up your Glitch project pretty often for a more real-time feel. (For those who might not know, Glitch
# fourtonfish puts inactive apps to sleep after 5 minutes.) Not really sure if this would be an issue for you though.
# jgmac1106_ yeah it wouldn’t live on Glitch
# jgmac1106_ [zegnat] played with the mastodon activity API a lot and as [swentel] said folks have a bunch of plumbing figured out, I want a class space that accepts feeds, but also allows for quick chatting and multiple columns…Mastodon closest to this vision
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# snarfed AngeloGladding: you may be interested in https://snarfed.org/silo-swat0-on-facebook
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# [jgmac1106] anyone know how a friend could handle this: "Now that Google is killing G+ I need to find a spot to organize all my links from my multiple thematic G+ communities... I’ve got thousands so need to start soon. What’s your favourite curation tool / archive tool that might play nice in the transition "
# [jgmac1106] I recommended try TakeOut first
# sknebel https://octobox.io/ - dedicated github notifications client.
# sknebel [jgmac1106]: yeah, getting them out is obviously the first step, even if the replacement isn't ready. I guess otherwise it depends what they're doing with them. I suspect there isn't anything to just export it to, so the question is what one could easily make a transfer thing to. e.g. do they want comments, or is an effective list more important. could try to move them to pinboard, or a blog, or to a wiki, or make "awesome X"-style
# [jgmac1106] I am downloading them now, circles come as groups of vCards, and post as html, will check out how messy it looks in a second
# [jgmac1106] @sknebel been thinking about this will write post, "What drew educators to G+?" fiorst and foremost was real commenting UI, you had line breaks, html, markdown, in comments
# [jgmac1106] 2nd was comment moideration, you didd't have to worry about randos hijacking your thread, each post had per moderation level
# [jgmac1106] 3rd was simply halo effect from other Google education tools
# [jgmac1106] IMO
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# snarfed [Rose]: https://granary.io/
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# swentel [eddie], would it be fine if I hosted the android apk on the indigenous.adobe.pub site ? looking into setting up an f-droid repo (more info at https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Setup_an_F-Droid_App_Repo/)
# [jgmac1106] do you have any intentions of ever charging?...ohh just the apk, ool
# [jgmac1106] why? even a few bucks if you don't want it have it go to Open Collective...but I like feeding developers
# [jgmac1106] then irrelevant you can put whole package on f-droid
# [eddie] Hmm I think this is the key area here: https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Setup_an_F-Droid_App_Repo/#real-world-setup
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# AngeloGladding snarfed1: thanks that does help
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# @realdavidpeach From a brand new WordPress install, using the IndieWeb plugin and following its instructions, has got me all set up with zero fuss. I now have webmentions coming in smoothly from Bridgy and automatically syndicating out.
Love it! (https://davidpea.ch/2018/10/09/34/) (twitter.com/_/status/1049783178024632326)
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# [jgmac1106] anyone knopw where you change the endpoint in logger settings for bridgy?
# [jgmac1106] and why didn't I think about wordpress.coma ccounts for my students...know what we are doing after midterms
# [jgmac1106] okay the link to the missing endpoint brought me to documents reading you now
# [jgmac1106] [snarfed] this where I am getting stuck: Warning: your blog's current webmention endpoint is None. If you want Bridgy to handle your blog's webmentions, change it to https://brid.gy/webmention/blogger.
# [jgmac1106] no worries< I scrolled down and took a screenshot
# [jgmac1106] yes
# [jgmac1106] but it still looks like send and receive below for demo purposes
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