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snarfed [jgmac1106] fixed! https://brid.gy/blogger/7534747780673283753 now has the right instructions. thanks for reporting!
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@grammasheri ↩️ Another great idea from Greg: "Comments aren't dead. We've just handed them off to Facebook, Twitter, and Instragram. it's time to take control and bring those back." ie webmention #clmooc #literacies Thanks Greg (twitter.com/_/status/1049847854984908801)
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[kevinmarks] hm, the google plus circles exports are a bit crap - you get a vcf file with a vcard for each person in the circle, but it's just their G+ URL
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# [kevinmarks] could we encourage the person from Data Liberation who came to indiewebcamp to give us h-cards with their rel=me URLs included from profiles?
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@dogtrax ↩️ I tried to follow Webmention tutorial to post/syndicate a poem via Wordpress site. Not sure if it worked. Can you check to see if I followed it right? (Does http://Wordpress.com allow webmentions? Didn’t you tell me once that Edublogs does not?) https://wordpress.com/post/dailyconnector.com/695 (twitter.com/_/status/1049954471290314752)
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@Uxlco0 ↩️ @gchampeau @MaisOuVaLeWeb Ouvrez des blogs oui ! mais avec webmentions ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1049959990008668160)
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], I am not super familiar with Bridgy. If https://brid.gy/about#blogs is running, then yes, a wordpress.com hosted blog should be sending webmentions.
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[jgmac1106] can you post link to your tweet?
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@martijnvdven @dogtrax Stopping by from the #indieweb chat! I don’t believe http://wordpress.com automatically sends webmentions 😞 Try manually submiting through https://indieweb.xyz/submit? But not sure your post would be accepted, HTML seems wrong 🤔 Might be a missed quote somewhere. See screenshot. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpIz39FWkAA9G4R.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1049959249701457920)
# [jgmac1106] did same thing happen here: https://drmacsthinkingspace.wordpress.com/2018/10/10/7/
# [jgmac1106] he didn't install bridgy
# [jgmac1106] I am also thinking I need to add in a piece about making an h-card manually for wordpress.com
# [jgmac1106] no but brid.gy works with wordpress.com just for webmentions
# [jgmac1106] yes making tutorial now two seconde
# [jgmac1106] but hey my post didnt syndicate to indieweb.xyz unles it only polls like one can hour or something
# [jgmac1106] I have most of them made, my YouTube site has a series for each of the two working IndieWeb themes
# [jgmac1106] but have to get people off of WordPress as hfast as possible just not sustainable and never works, hoping to move them into micro.blog for folks who want to touch nothing or Known for those who know enough to get in trouble
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ adding http://brid.gy http://jgregorymcverry.com/adding-bridgy-to-wordpress-com/
Not sure why http://wordpress.com changed your html for syndication
With http://brid.gy anytime someone mentions your post or website you would get a webmention as a comment. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7824-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1049980012626137088)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ adding http://brid.gy http://jgregorymcverry.com/adding-bridgy-to-wordpress-com/
Not sure why http://wordpress.com changed your html for syndication
With http://brid.gy anytime someone mentions your post or website you would get a webmention as a comment. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7824-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1049980012626137088)
# [jgmac1106] ohh yeah I can't send webmentions so I would not be able to syndicate
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ @dogtrax you are probably off to school but with http://wordpress.com you can only (which is still awesome) add webmentions. If you want all the #IndieWeb plugins you need to be on http://wordpress.org. Happy to make you a subdomain as a sandbox. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7827-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1049980706183614464)
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# [kevinmarks] the u-syndication class isn't there, as you said. There is a link, so the webmention should be accepted, but if it requires a u-syndication it may be rejected.
# [jgmac1106] he didn't have bridgy installed at the time...but his wordpress.com site stripped at u-syndicsation and replaced it with "class"
# jgmac1106 !tell gRegorLove when you get a chance can you look at the css grid and my hcard on: https://github.com/jgmac1106/homepage/blob/master/index.html staging: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/
# [kevinmarks] wordpress.com wants to own your html
# [kevinmarks] the groups on google+ can be private, right?
# [kevinmarks] we could replicate public groups relatively easily, but private is harder.
# [kevinmarks] Is it worth gathering the different use cases in our wiki?
# [kevinmarks] also, circles are non-public, hence google exporting as vcf lists
# jgmac1106 but this: https://drmacsthinkingspace.wordpress.com/2018/10/10/7/ did not syndicate to indieweb.xyz what is the other reddit like clone that isn’t news
# [kevinmarks] I'd start on Google+, as documenting that is the focus now, and we can come up with subtypes of groups as we discover the cases people want
# [kevinmarks] using mention.tech I get a 202 for that post
# [kevinmarks] and it does show up
# [kevinmarks] maybe it doesn't require u-syndication
# [kevinmarks] there is a smart quotes nightmare happening https://indieweb.xyz/en/indiewebpoetry%E2%80%9D%20class=
# [kevinmarks] but the link in the instructions is linking to the right place https://indieweb.xyz/en/indiewebpoetry
# [kevinmarks] I just sent it too
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petermolnar I'm tempted to say we should create an indieweb-starter-cms-bundle: grav, with a damn simple mf2 theme, add in a couple of extra plugins, maybe with some sort of brid.gy, telegraph, and webmention.io integration, plus the admin panel. With the wordpress gutenberg nightmare upon us, this sounds like a viable option.
# petermolnar jgmac1106: the thing with micro.blog and known is that both of them is stream oriented; grav, on the other hand comes from the homepage/website angle
# petermolnar grav requires quite modern PHP knowledge to code, but if I could do it, it can't be that hard :)
# petermolnar (my personal grudge with the media library grav is using doesn't apply to this case)
# petermolnar Zegnat: grav + admin panel is rather impressive to be honest
# petermolnar knowing where it came from, from before the admin panel
# petermolnar [Rose]++
# petermolnar it even has user management now, but it needs an extra plugin
# petermolnar besides, the current grav has quite a lot of similarity to pre 3.0 wordpress :)
# petermolnar in a good way
# [jgmac1106] I could do a Grav site instead of Known. It is a one push install for me in cPanel
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat you mean making idno plugins? @mapkyca and [benwerd] pushing code recently
# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] scroll through the mass-migration group on G+ to see all the networks being thrown around
# [jgmac1106] For my tribe a public group is all we need. Will document on wiki after class
# [jgmac1106] .... Ooh that would be a non starter for me. I was choosing Known over microbkog bc of community supported plugins and more post types... Got addicted to all the post types through micropub
# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] here is an interesting thread describing use case for G+ https://twitter.com/lynhilt/status/1049725131302551552?s=19 Alan Levine recommended IndieWeb without prompting and that started a cascade of folks asking me
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@lynhilt .@cogdog If you could create an online community with open web tools, open to educators that replicated what we established in this Google+ community, how would you do it? https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/118257375639026937151 I know no one is surprised by this news. But we built a really important space here. (twitter.com/_/status/1049725131302551552)
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# Zegnat I also think petermolnar is on to something with some systems being more stream oriented while others are more page oriented. That is something I have been running into working on my posting interface. The things I want for long form article/journal writing do not match up with the things I want for the quick checkins and satus updates. Might end up seperating those two things entirely.
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[Rose] I'm separating the two. They're currently under /blog and /microblog, but the latter is moving to a subdomain
# [kevinmarks] I feel like a bit of effort spent on glitch would give something, but they don't have a domain answer yet.
# petermolnar Zegnat re post types: imo hard-set post types is not the good approach; post-type discovery is not that hard instead
# petermolnar as for stream vs page that is a very interesting topic, and maybe even outlines basic differences of what people tend to remember of homepage vs social media
# petermolnar we could pull it up as a topic on iwc berlin for discussion, what fits the stream and what's too out of context
# petermolnar eg. I always found galleries in stream weird
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] Does WP.com not allow you to send manually with Telegraph?
# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] I am going to to a meeting at Glitch HQ Thursday to talk IndieWeb and Education. Anything I should suggest?
# [jgmac1106] I can go Glitch>GitHub >GitHub pages easily but for my own domain I add SFTP step.
# [jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] I will try later. Have to build the badge templates for @downes first and make sure my simplified approach works for his class
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] and @zegnat that's my thinking. It does both an html page, or node.js app hooked into mySQLlite
# jeremycherfas Rose I will be interested to see how you get on with Lingonberry; I gave up on it because all the hero images was way more than I needed.
# [jgmac1106] Or a node.js with no storage but you can hook into any DB you want
# [jgmac1106] I did it for the person [tantek] helped at IWC NYC, can't remember name, but I forked her repo, imported to Glitch, and it was live on GitHub pages
# jeremycherfas In my case, crap PHP skills and good help here have got me quite far.
# [jgmac1106] Actually just deleted project, felt weird having her personal website
# [jgmac1106] Yeah from conversation with Anil sounds like they want to get all the buildingblocks, or atleast apps that connect to building block APIs on Glitch so people can launch an IndieWeb website from Glitch
# [jgmac1106] .... But it's not a priority (that is my gut not stated) as they launch teams and tools for learning... But happy to help us
# jeremycherfas I'm feeding my Known stream to my Grav sidebar, which is working well for me. And going in the opposite direction to [Rose] by trying to have a page in Grav for Notes that would essentially be a stream.
# [kevinmarks] that would be great. So we need to get things into npm that coexist so they can just include them?
# [jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] I am building a few static pages and will hook different Known streams into my nav and keep my stream on a subdomain
# [jgmac1106] Yeah [kevinmarks] I tried to fork your blog project for my badge issuer but do not know enough about forms
# [jgmac1106] The micropub, indie login, h-card generator, and my site Tempe are there already
# [jgmac1106] Will do @zegnat meeting with @downes in a few hours to describe how webmention badges will work and make html templates. But I am going to add fields for names and img... Can figure out adding parser later
# [jgmac1106] Thx
# [kevinmarks] also, I was confused about auth when I made that, as I was hoping to use the glitch accounts for it; I should redo it with indieauth
# [kevinmarks] as at the moment anyone can post.
# [kevinmarks] I made another thingy that is basically atwitter posting client; I could merge the ideas
# [jgmac1106] Yeah @schmarty built indielogin or auth (still unclear when to say each) into screech and Kapowski and Stardust, the webring maker
# [kevinmarks] well, you need a way to set up your own h-card and rel=me when you fork the project, I think
# [jgmac1106] May ask you few questions later so I don't sound like total idiot talking about npm parts
# [jgmac1106] Yeah... That make sense I put one in my indieweb homepage template and my indieweb course temple
# [jgmac1106] Template... Though happy to have folks pray to md
# [jgmac1106] Me
# [jgmac1106] Well off to office, bye all, really excited about all this
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[schmarty] Glitch still doesn’t have a great solution for custom domains. They don’t have any CNAME support so you have to use a proxy that will rewrite the Host header. Currently fly.io is the only service I know that does this.
# [schmarty] (On the cheap, I mean. You can set up a proxy of your own on a VM, CloudFlare supports it at a paid tier, AWS CloudFront supports it but good luck configuring that for new folks, ...)
# [kevinmarks] they should partner with hover
# [kevinmarks] hm. we should also encourage them to make glitch accounts indieauth freindly
# [jgmac1106] Will bring it up tomorrow.. If I get chance kinda a social gathering to mark FogCreek becoming Glitch but I have meeting with team before
# [kevinmarks] well https://glitch.com/@kevinmarks needs an h-card and some rel-me options (github being an obvious one)
# [jgmac1106] I understand it now @zegnat and @arronpk. And @schmarty if you didn't catch it still trying to name the webring app Stardust
# [kevinmarks] both
# [kevinmarks] beingable to link to https://glitch.com/@kevinmarks and have that work as an indielogin endpoint too
# [jgmac1106] I have an h-card maker on Glitch but it's Dat-page project... Easy to make just html version
# [jgmac1106] They must the integration with GitHub is seemless. I love it
# [jgmac1106] And Mozilla is shutting down Thimble and moving everyone to Glitch semi public knowledge on that.. But Mozilla can get up to 30k unique a day on some projects
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Loqi Thimble is an online code editor to publish web pages and learn HTML, CSS, and Javascript https://thimble.mozilla.org https://indieweb.org/Thimble
# [kevinmarks] hm, looks like the way to do this is to have a 'make your own page' form that uses the https://remix-button.glitch.me/ to populate the env variable for name etc.
# [kevinmarks] also, you get every other oauth api implemented there
# [jgmac1106] Env variable hardest part for new users. Nobody has any idea what it is. They remix projects and do not know why they do not work
# [jgmac1106] But that is fixable through UI and teaching
# jeremycherfas !tell zegnat you practically wrote this https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/i-yam-who-i-yam
# [jgmac1106] I still should populate Thimble with get started projects
# Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 minute ago: you practically wrote this https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/i-yam-who-i-yam
# [jgmac1106] Ha ha I think I used that to make a Popeye meme
# [schmarty] [jgmac1106] I don’t recognize the name Stardust for any project I have written thus far. ;)
# [jgmac1106] The hotel where Zack and Kelly got married. Perfect name for webring app
# jeremycherfas I'd be glad to update.
# [jgmac1106] Wedding in Las Vegas just doesn't sound as cool as Stardust
# [schmarty] I have really got to put the Bayside High theme to bed, hahaha 😂
# [jgmac1106] Nope never my fav indieweb Easter egg
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[grantcodes] Took me far too long but eventually my site is running on a new micropub backend. Now time to see what is broken! 😂
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# [chegalabonga] Does anybody know if Mapbox is a good alternative to Google Maps? looking to get away from those kinds of companies. To share location maps on site.
# [chegalabonga] ethical* alternative, I should have asked
# [chegalabonga] ergh found
# [chegalabonga] ```
# [chegalabonga] Website Logs and Cookies: We share information about your device and interaction with our website with our service providers that host our website and provide marketing and analytics services to us. The marketing and analytics services that integrate directly into our website include AdRoll, Customer.io, Facebook, Google Analytics, LinkedIn, and Marketo. These and other third parties that we use may collect information
# [chegalabonga] ```
# [chegalabonga] god damn it
# [chegalabonga] oooh leaflet
# [chegalabonga] thank you [kevinmarks]
# [kevinmarks] it can use openstreetmap, or you can host your own tiles
# [kevinmarks] also, it is really easy
# [kevinmarks] and a good choice of tiles too: http://leaflet-extras.github.io/leaflet-providers/preview/
# [jgmac1106] What do people mean when they say adding custom post types is hard post type Discovery is a better approach
# [jgmac1106] I am finding manually just writing a post type is easier but then I have to worry about how does that fit into the templates
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# [jgmac1106] @sknebel I can't figure why my name and address aren't in the same column
# [jgmac1106] In my h-card grid inspector says I did it correct yet it looks like it spans 8/9
# [jgmac1106] Want to make sure the homepage template is proper, my indieweb template is one of most remixed projects on Glitch.. Indieweb homepage might be the same, want it dressed in best Sunday's
# [jgmac1106] No I wanted that. I have the text spanning 2-6 and 6-8 for h-card.. Off top of my head... Not looking at it
# [jgmac1106] I want them in same row but with empty grid cells in 1 and 9
# [jgmac1106] Ohh thx thought 7/9 meant span seven to nine
# [jgmac1106] Okay so 7/ span 2 is same thing as 7/9? Good to know. Still learning grid. Tried flexbox first time on the following page
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# petermolnar [jgmac1106]: https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery - this can be done as an algorithm (I used to have a combination, detect, then store https://petermolnar.net/wordpress-post-format-discovery/ ) and it doesn't have to be hard-set to, say, "image post"
# petermolnar in my experience, needing to format the post in order for the discovery to work well is a good restriction
# petermolnar it doesn't let you stray too far away with formatting :)
# Zegnat [chegalabonga]: if you are looking at maps for users’ privacy, may I suggest reading this too: https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/self-hosting-maps-control-privacy-ux/? :)
# Zegnat petermolnar, IIRC, Known is storing every post as a special object of the specific post type. So the micropub plugin for Known needs to know what type of object to create for each incoming thing. Maybe that was the part that was pretty hard to extend. (As said, can’t remember exactly anymore.)
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# [chegalabonga] thanks Zegnat
# petermolnar that's a very rigid data structure
# petermolnar what happens if you want to convert one to another?
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# @grammasheri ↩️ We’d need tutorials cuz not everyone will find the steps easy enough to follow. Not all can get/afford WP .org and that is a learning curve too. Maybe a talk with @edublogs support about webmentions We still need an anchor. A google site? (twitter.com/_/status/1050045850452340736)
# petermolnar I have many problems with WordPress, but at least it's ridiculously flexible with it's db structure; Known seems to be the complete opposite :)
# petermolnar Zegnat: that's... that's mongodb stored in mysql. It should be, at least, JSON, so newer versions would leverage that
# petermolnar serialized PHP is safe, but that's all the nice things I can say about it
# petermolnar it started to sound more and more grav is a reasonable candidate; less complex, than wordpress; has web gui; no database dependency; data and config is in files; quite flexible; written in modern php and is simple to extend
# petermolnar I need to verify, I think it does
# petermolnar YAML is not the devil though
# petermolnar just force it to be very, very simple
# petermolnar indeed
# petermolnar yes, config is in yaml, templating in twig; however, nearly everything can be configured/altered via the admin panel
# petermolnar oh, even the language files seem to be in yaml
# petermolnar the .po and .mo files in wp had serious effects on my brain
# petermolnar grav started out as files only
# petermolnar it didn't have a gui
# petermolnar hence yaml, I believe
# petermolnar no
# petermolnar either .ini or yaml
# petermolnar there's really no need for one more
# petermolnar ...
# petermolnar tantek, I challenge you, CASSIS that's valid INI/TOML/YAML/JSON :D
# petermolnar introducing the .tijy (TOML-INI-JSON-YAML)
# petermolnar just to confuse people deeper
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Ohh it's on http://indieweb.xyz made tutorial for Bridgy webmentions. That is all you can do with @wordpressdotcom let me know if you need help with that. Will try to reach out @edublogs as teaching with webmentions awesome. Never looked into new Google sites for #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1050052469768802305)
# jeremycherfas What is TOML?
# Loqi TOML is Tom’s Obvious, Minimal Language, a configuration file format that should be called INI 2.0 https://indieweb.org/TOML
# jeremycherfas Thanks Loqi
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# [jgmac1106] Well now you folks got me all kind of confused on my WP exit plan. To me Known is a solution works out of box, has minimum post types I need (though never thought about a note with a photo becoming a photo post... But I mentally see difference)
# [jgmac1106] And people are still making idno plugins... But if folks start hacking on Grav.....
# [jgmac1106] I did put in about 350k for development of Known core into my IES grant but won't now about that for months
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gRegorLove jgmac1106, did you still have the css grid question?
# Loqi gRegorLove: jgmac1106 left you a message 5 hours, 19 minutes ago: when you get a chance can you look at the css grid and my hcard on: https://github.com/jgmac1106/homepage/blob/master/index.html staging: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/
# [jgmac1106] no @sknebel answered it I did not know 7/ span 9 is not same thing as 7/2
# gRegorLove cool
# gRegorLove h-card looks pretty good, though city and state should be separated into p-locality, p-region. Both are in p-region currently.
# gRegorLove asks Loqi for +v
# gRegorLove Er, both are in p-locality currently*
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# gRegorLove Yo
# [jgmac1106] well @zegnat the 350K is for a bunch of dev work, including bias think aloud, teacher dashboard, but it @mapkyca on grant and part of deal was contributing back to Known Core
# [jgmac1106] ...and you never get IES grants on first submission
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# [kevinmarks] iirc, known has a serialised json model for data, not a direct sql table. This means it should be easier to add new properties without db changes
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[adamprocter] Hello dev people here we go...
# [adamprocter] server {
# [adamprocter] listen 217.147.85.86:80;
# [adamprocter] server_name http://www.b-f-t-k.info;
# [adamprocter] if ($request_uri ~ ^(/.*)[\#](.*)$)
# [adamprocter] return 301 $1no$2;
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# [adamprocter] so the expected result should be
# [adamprocter] Visitor types http://www.b-f-t-k.info/#3 and they get taken to http://www.b-f-t-k.info/no3
# [adamprocter] A hash was used in the printed publication prior to asking me about it. I am hoping to apply band aid to fix mistake
# [adamprocter] Ah blast
# [adamprocter] Problem is i believe (am awfk) that a file with #3.html just doesn’t load to even perform a redirect?
# [adamprocter] Yes...
# [adamprocter] Oh
# [adamprocter] Ah yes on the home page I add some JS looking for # in URL awesome thanks. I don’t like it but I think they really want # for now - I’ll ask them to do errata though aswell.
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# [adamprocter] Thank you will try.
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat here is the blank template badge I made for @downes https://github.com/jgmac1106/webmention-badges/blob/master/gettingstartedbadge.html will work on php form after our call
# Loqi A shebang (or hashbang) is the character sequence #! https://indieweb.org/hashbang
# [jgmac1106] Downes added native webmention support here: https://github.com/Downes/gRSShopper/tree/master/html/assets/js and using the file I sent wants to know if he can automate...or me manual till it hurts way to send webmention badge from there
# [jgmac1106] workflow would be>You submit a post for specific task, the post will have a link to the task and also a specific tag saying "module 1" >badge is sent back to that post as webmention
# [jgmac1106] my workflow added intermediary step>student does assignment as post>studenrt writes badge application post as reply to class and includes link to their evidence post>I send back webmention badge to their application
# [jgmac1106] gRSShopper just a bunch of perl strung together...but the webmentions stuff he added he said is straight from the w3c spec
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# Zegnat [jgmac1106]: not sure I understand the question. He can send a webmention, sure. The webmention just needs a source and a target URL. I assume the source would be the URL pointing to the badge. If there is no URL for the badge, that will be the part he needs to automate: create a page that represents the badge
# [jgmac1106] yes the url would be the source and the target the student post
# [jgmac1106] the student post (reply) would be a source and the course would be the target
# [jgmac1106] that is goal, I am having him add the link to webmentions.io to each page as back up, but was hoping we could figure it out since he has native webmention support in gRSShopper
# [jgmac1106] that is how it works, every participant has their own blog, they will submit a post with their evidence and a link back to the course page, the course page will show their submission as a mention (if he enables this) and then a badge gets sent back as a source to student post as target...I am gonna be late for soccer practice 2g2 but thanks for help
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KartikPrabhu what is database as cache
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# [grantcodes] Haha jacky it's a tough choice!
# KartikPrabhu I use that for my posts. posts are stored as html+mf2 and as mf2-json in files. The "metadata" is then cachced into a database
# KartikPrabhu also that ^ (I think)
# KartikPrabhu what is object storage
# Loqi Object storage is a storage mechanism that manages data as objects as opposed to files https://indieweb.org/Object_storage
# KartikPrabhu <shrug> still not sure what that is
# petermolnar KartikPrabhu: upload thing, get a URL-like resource => object storage
# KartikPrabhu petermolnar: so uhhh files... ?
# petermolnar KartikPrabhu: exactly, but in the cloud! :D
# KartikPrabhu looks like my website is an object store... who knew!
# [grantcodes] I just updated mine to some way overly complicated thing, with json stores and database replications and all sorts 😂
# petermolnar don't worry, soon it will be in the Edge, and we'll be back to Microsoft Frontpage, but now written as an Electron app
# petermolnar jacky: I ended up with nested directory structures: category/post/[post files, jpgs, index.md]; rsync can sync it fast and well for backup
# petermolnar if you go with a database, you'd need to sync the DB as well, which is either replication (mysql-style) but that needs an always on standby machine or do mysqldumps all the time; if sqlite, it's a file
# petermolnar I don't move things between categories, so that's not a problem for me
# petermolnar but
# petermolnar I have a redirect category, with textfiles, that contain a url in them
# petermolnar so I'd move the article, and put a redirect to redirect the previous
# KartikPrabhu and my site :P
# petermolnar while I agree from a sw engineering point, I disagree from a personal perspective: this is how I actually store my things
# gRegorLove me four! (re: slugs)
# petermolnar yes, renaming sucks, but it will need a redirect anyway to keep old urls
# petermolnar aaronpk: I have not, but I do want to be able to navigate my "site" with a mere file browser :)
# petermolnar I have not [seen it]
# KartikPrabhu that ^^ is why I use slugs too
# KartikPrabhu I remember the post slug more easily than some other thing
# KartikPrabhu this conv. so sidetracked fast !! :P
# 
aaronpk The one downside is that when I browse the files I don't know what post is inside https://indieweb.org/p3k#Folder_Structure
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@EchoChamberUncu Liked Adding Bridgy to http://WordPress.com by Greg McVerry (http://jgregorymcverry.com)A quick tutorial Go to http://Brid.gy… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2018/10/10/liked-adding-bridgy-to-wordpress-com-by-greg-mcverry-jgregorymcverry-coma-quick-tutorial-go-to-brid-gy-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1050129543602814983)
# Zegnat URL_design << Supporting accidentally truncated URLs is mentioned, but some URLs may have [https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-10-10#t1539205141722300 additional text] like punctuation marks.
# Loqi ok, I added "Supporting accidentally truncated URLs is mentioned, but some URLs may have [https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-10-10#t1539205141722300 additional text] like punctuation marks." to the "See Also" section of /URL_design https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52733&oldid=52732
# Zegnat https://licit.li/5ae99cc52af2b. - fails (if you include the period) :(
# 
@fluffy Hey #indieweb folks! My Atom/RSS to WebSub/WebMention bridge is almost ready for use! Check it out at http://github.com/PlaidWeb/Pushl
The docs need a lot of work but the basic functionality is there. (twitter.com/_/status/1050130370232893442)
# [grantcodes] Ooh I got twitter syndication deletion working now 😄 If I delete / unpublish a post from my micropub endpoint it will automatically remove twitter copies. One less reason to ever visit twitter
# gRegorLove whoa, nice!
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "POSSE delete" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "POSSE delete is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# 
[tantek] POSSE delete is /POSSE#Delete
# [grantcodes] Aha I was looking on the delete page
# Loqi ok, I added "[[POSSE]]" to the "See Also" section of /deleted https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52737&oldid=52505
# [grantcodes] Now I have it for twitter I'll see if I can get it working for instagram too
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# [grantcodes] Zegnat: It's filthy and uses an undocumented api, but it works
# [grantcodes] Yes, it's somewhere
# [grantcodes] And hey, it may break at any moment but it's no huge loss because it's POSSE not PESOS
# [grantcodes] snarfed: Would never write it myself, there are quite a few kind souls out there maintaining wrapper libraries
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# snarfed1 still https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/84
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# AngeloGladding can someone explain why webmentions.rocks provides confirmation for non-reply posts only?
# AngeloGladding https://webmention.rocks/test/3
# AngeloGladding ah
# AngeloGladding ok
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# AngeloGladding aaronpk right when i saw it i knew it
# AngeloGladding i was using //webmention.rocks/test/3 and needed the full protocol https://webmention.rocks/test/3
# AngeloGladding i suppose it doesn't fit in this context
# AngeloGladding you're right
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