#AngeloGladdingeither way i'm grabbing the one of the three that isn't suffixed with "/error" and sending the same mention there that i've been sending to the others
#jgmac1106@zegnat or anyone looking to add to their resume, vita or GitHub logs. . This ain’t meant to be Tom Sawyering at all, but you may want to help build the webmention platforms, especially if you see academic CS in your immediate or current future. Downes has way more street cred then me, having a few commits or prototypes in your portfolio wouldnt be bad career move
#jgmac1106if enrollment is low we will buid a php form where you drop in name and url to application post.
#jgmac1106Learners will do one post in response to the learning activity. they will include the reply-to link to the learning activity
#jgmac1106we will send a webmention back as reply to that reply
#jgmac1106the other approach…and for some reason I like this…but I don’t know why. I do in like EDU 522 where they do activity and then write an application badge
#jgmac1106,…..oohhh I know why I klie that, duh, requires reflection
#AngeloGladdingThe target provided does not accept webmentions.
#jgmac1106as we are doing this, I Stephen, and whomevever in the class will build a micropub badge creator..probably php as GRSShopper is all perl modules, and Reclaim is going to make install instant.
#jgmac1106, where I pop in the learning activity, it parses instructor h-card, link to activity, and criteria. There is an svg badge maker included. It spits out an html file that includes links to img, blank space for learner name, blank space for link to learner post, plus a link to a “ledger”
#jgmac1106ithe syndication link registers the application, the instructor can then check or uncheck issue, don’t issue, or not required.
#jgmac1106hit a button and this and a micropub client publishes the badge post with the learner name and evidence fields not parsed and filled in. Learner and the the ledger recieve webmention badge will be issued
#[jgmac1106]so I have been chewing on the question of post types versus post type discovery as I think about my migration plans....probably will just archive my current blog to keep life easy peasy
#[jgmac1106]I did say network mention but it was the coolest thing when integrated G+ comments came to Blogger and then WordPress
#[jgmac1106]When you add in the video chat, audio chat, YouTube, gDocs, glides, still hard for me to think of better network
#[jgmac1106]But we were all amazed when you added G+ comments and you had conversations across so many circles pulled back to your blog. For people with nascent tech skills it was amazing
#[jgmac1106]Everything I had on Google+ I want on an open web network
#[jgmac1106]@swentel at [eddie] noticed issue closed about trying to get reply tweets on Indigenous syndicated to Twitter to thread. Is there anything I can do on my end to make it happen?
#swentelwhen you posted a reply, did the reply link contain the twitter url ?
#Loqi[EdwardHinkle] @jgmac1106 The proper way for this is actually to just have the Micropub server automatically syndicate posts to Twitter. For example, my website pings brid.gy on every reply post. Brid.gy then will check the post I am replying to in order to see if ...
#[eddie]I know your Wordpress doesn’t work well with Bridgy because of the issues with sending Webmentions (if I remember correctly) so that’s tricky 😕 but getting a website that works with Bridgy for Twitter syndication is probably the smoothest path forward
#[jgmac1106]Nope on the way, I had to ask for a dev app from Twitter since Known stripped away convoy, still waiting and waiting... But leaning towards Known..but everyone talking about data storage and post type templates has me doubting
#[jgmac1106]. Ooohhh so Bridgy publish works for me bc it's a WordPress plugin, Indigenous does not use said plugin... Now I get it
#ZegnatBridgy Publish should trigger when Indigenous creates a new post, I think?
#[jgmac1106]Looking through the wiki it was pretty clear folks don't want people using databases or file templates
#[jgmac1106]I would think. I might have it off by default as I selectively cross post to different networks
#ZegnatAah. Maybe it depends on mp-syndicate-to then? And Indeginous would need to send that along? snarfed or GWG would know better, probably :)
#[jgmac1106]But still leaning towards Known. Hope to finish WordPress escape plan this weekend... So soon hopefully reply tweets will work for me
#Zegnat[eddie], swentel, does Indigenous support the mp-syndicate-to ?
#ZegnatAlso note, [jgmac1106], that the things we get all heated about w.r.t. Known’s db structure and such is highly arbitrary. I think you should look at UX more than some of our peculiar data storage preferences
#[jgmac1106]yeah for me it was do I try to learn how to spin up my own, but I would need 2 months of learning and building time, not something during academic year. so it was Known or micro.blog and Known offers more post types that I want, especially bookmarks
#ZegnatKnown also is further ahead on events, I believe, which is nice
#GWGMicropub triggers a WordPress hook for syndicate-to. The Bridgy plugin predates it and doesn't use it. It's something I should fix
#ZegnatAh. So it is true that if [jgmac1106] posts from Indigenous and marks said post for Twitter syndication, that is doesn’t get picked up? Good to know!
#sknebeldoes syndication not happen, or are replies not threaded on twitter? the github issue was awfully vague
#GWGWell, there are always Bridgy issues with people's markup
#sknebelif it's the latter, it sounds like the issue miklb hit. but bridgy logs can show you that
#[jgmac1106]@sknebel, sorry, I copy a a lik to a tweet, I open indigenous, select reply and post in link to tweet, I publish, the post is a correct reply on my site but it is not a reply to the tweet on Twitter
#GWGI figured out how to fix the reply problem, but it involves sequence of events
#jgmac1106if it is local to me don’t fix, my piublication time is ridously long, can take north of ten seconds to publish a post
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#[eddie]jgmac1106 yeah I wouldn’t worry too much about Known’s database. It’s worked well for [cleverdevil] for a long time. At some point you might want to move on, but I think moving to Known gets you a lot of what you want with easy of use
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#swentelZegnat, yes, you can toggle syndication targets
#jgmac1106[eddie] I have like 46 different Known blogs going right now, very familiar…just reading the anti-pattern and the opost discovery page scared me as its pretty clear which direction we want folks goin gin
#jgmac1106yeah my biggest worry is broken links, not sure if I should try to import all my post using WordPress Known plugin, very worried about comments and permalinks all over the web, how do folks handle large platform switch, not too much data just over 2 gigs
#ZegnatI think petermolnar has a text file mapping old URLs to new URLs and just redirecting. Which is a good way to handle it. Not sure if you can easily generate one of those
#[eddie]When I had to do a migration that’s what I did. An old to new url mapping. But I control of the web server (nginx) to be able to set that up outside of software
#[eddie]It’s nice though. Because now I just have a file I give to my web server and it handles redirecting people and my CMS can just worry about current sites
#petermolnar[eddie]: it's doable with php, which is what I ended up with
#petermolnar301 or 302 redirect with php header();
#petermolnardoing it with nginx is tedious, I tried that as well
#petermolnarnginx needs a reload if/when the mapping changes
#[Rose]Peter have you got a link to how you're doing that somewhere?
#[Rose]I.e. do you have a PHP file at each of the pages that previously existed?
#petermolnarit is ok in nginx if it's a one-off, given that nginx can include, but it'll get tricky with apparmor/selinux and to reload automatically if the config changes
#petermolnar[Rose]: it's a jinja2 template that generated PHP
#ZegnatYep. But grav can probably do it too. I expect it routes all nonresolving URLs to its pwn router/index and then finds the page it needs to serve. If it finds nothing, Grav probably serves some 404 page. You'd want to run your redirector right before grab serves a 404
#jgmac1106I was thinking I could just create archive.jgregorymcverry.com and use a find/replace to change every link for my site, and then figure out the redirects…will try the WP->Known importer as well
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#jeremycherfasWhen I moved from Octopress to Grav, I made an htaccess redirect that swaps out the first part of the requested URL because all the slugs stayed the same. But because I haven't moved all the posts over, if you look for something from a link elsewhere, you get a 404 from the new CMS.
#jeremycherfasI decided not to attempt to separate out the two kinds of "not found". Not found because it isn't here, vs not found because Jeremy is lazy.
#jgmac1106well ye the human cost of closing borders is awful in terms of xenophobia that could easily lead to violence as well
#petermolnar!tell aaronpk do you keep logs of webhook requests for webmention.io? I set it up a while ago to send notifications with it, but some time ago it seem to have stopped sending. I've added some debug logging to see whenever another happenes if it's my side or webmention.io, but it'd be easier with logs from the other side.
#aaronpki think i only have the stdout log from the worker
#aaronpkthose web hooks power my own webmentions so i know at least it's not completely broken
#petermolnarack; in which case it's most probably my side
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#Zegnat[jgmac1106], PTD is to assign a label to web content. “Is this a note?” “Is this a photo?” Etc. It derives these labels from the data that is at hand.
#ZegnatSo you as a publisher can influence Post Type Discovery in many ways.
#jeremycherfas!tell jgmac1106 Yes. That's the point, You could use a similar heuristic. Has it got lots of words, relative to pictures? Then it is not a photo post. Has it got lots of pictures, relative to words? Then it is a photo post. But the argument seems to be that it is best left to post discovery to decide. At least, that's how I see it.
#ZegnatBut at the same time, you as publisher do not need to know about the ins and outs of post type discovery. You can just go and publish your thing and let software like readers figure out by themselves
#ZegnatCurrently PTD says that something is a photo post if the publisher has marked up a photo specifically. So if you are just putting images into a text post, there is no reason why that would become a photo post.
#jgmac1106will catch up off to work, ended up hanging with [eddie] a lot longer than I thought, but realized three things got me here open pedagogy ands moocs, Mozilla, and podcasts wityh [Kevinmarks] and gina Tripani (not same showsO through the yearsz
#Loqijgmac1106: jeremycherfas left you a message 6 minutes ago: Yes. That's the point, You could use a similar heuristic. Has it got lots of words, relative to pictures? Then it is not a photo post. Has it got lots of pictures, relative to words? Then it is a photo post. But the argument seems to be that it is best left to post discovery to decide. At least, that's how I see it.
#[kevinmarks]does u-featured imply it's not a photo post? If a post has a lot of photos, then using u-featured to mark the representative one also makes sense.
#sknebelu-featured afaik doesn't imply anything about PDT
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#[jgmac1106]Actually heading to Glitch HQ now for a meet and greet. Going to be highlighting how close we are to having all the building blocks available
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#mattl[jgmac1106]: nice... i haven't been to their new new office
#ZegnatTIL: four leaf clovers are not a good thing, clovers only grow the fourth leaf because they require it to stay alive in the spot they are growing.
#Loqi[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML.
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#[jgmac1106]Must be bad train wifi? Not sure what happened
#@edtechfactotum↩️ Thanks! So, if they have webmentions enabled on their blog & write a post that references my site with permalink back to my post somewhere in their post, would it work like pingback/trackback and just automatically appear in my comments? (twitter.com/_/status/1050500723819966464)
#@edtechfactotum↩️ ...and if their blog doesn't have webmentions, they would have to come abck to my original post and enter in the url back to their post in that box. Is that how it works? (twitter.com/_/status/1050500889201455104)
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#[cleverdevil]!tell swentel I am trying out Indigenous for Android, and am getting an error "Error: No value for unread"
#swentelwhile it should contain at least 0 or so heh
#[cleverdevil]Happy to do whatever you need to troubleshoot!
#@jgmac1106↩️ Yes. Checkout https:// edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.
Taught using webmentions. It was so amazing. Helped reshape my #OpenPedagogy.
put link to specific post anywhere and then add their url and drop into box. You get webmention.
You can change language of prompt (twitter.com/_/status/1050501987110924288)
#[cleverdevil]I am using cleverdevil.io to login, which seems to work just fine.
#@jgmac1106↩️ Yes but if they are on blogger or http://WordPress.com or others they can use Bridgy for webmentions.
Currently building a webmention badge platform.
What is better endorsement than DNS? And all you need is link to criteria and evidence.
Just 2 websites talking together (twitter.com/_/status/1050502507510804481)
#@edtechfactotum↩️ Odd. I see that I have 2 comments on the post, one being a webmention, but the webmention comment doesn't actually appear in the comment section. Should it? Or maybe it's a theme issue? (twitter.com/_/status/1050505195224879104)
#@jgmac1106↩️ The webmention box you are seeing is normal but we can tweak it. Heading to @glitch HQ to hang with folks and talk about how we build learning tools for better future but happy to help anyone with #IndieWeb @WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/1050506661050355713)
#swentel[cleverdevil], this is very interesting, you are actually using the same instance as me .. :)
#snarfedthanks swentel! ok, so, the disappointing conclusion is, mastodon requires that AP actor ids are a strict prefix of all of their object ids and urls...?
#swentelI think a revert for that url property should be harmless, imho
#snarfedswentel: yeah, i'd love to hear more background of why they wanted this, what problem they thought it solved
#snarfedalso swentel some of the mastodon code i looked at earlier seemed to check for full prefix, not just host. could you tell if it's now just host?
#swentelyou mean subdomains, or protocol match (or both?)
#swentelwell, I could check what Addressable::URI.parse(url).host returns of course heh