#dev 2018-10-22

2018-10-22 UTC
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@davemillar ↩️ I’m still getting into the #indieweb mindset. Replies are fine wherever. I’m using https://puz.fun/@dave (Mastodon/ActivityPub) for short form and http://secretspecial.info for long form. Wish Mastodon supported webmentions...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (twitter.com/_/status/1054186503855837184)
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GWG I just got a refback from Loqi. Fun
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jacky mastodon + webmentions would be nice
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jacky tbh there's probably a lazywebdev way to do it
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jacky having an app sign in and just scan all of your posts to send webmentions (and maybe incoming replies?)
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@WouterBlok ↩️ @frankmeeuwsen Ben blij voor je! Vraag me af waarvoor je webmentions gaat zenden vanaf je blog, voor een soort mention-wall? (twitter.com/_/status/1054249544895160320)
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gRegorLove github's been having issues for quite a few hours now: https://status.github.com/messages
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ Webmentions zijn in principe voor allerlei zaken in te zetten. Ik vind het interessant dat het nu mogelijk is om reacties in eigen beheer te hebben ipv bij een andere partij of partijen. (twitter.com/_/status/1054278409545830400)
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tonz In my attempts to get micropub working, I notice that clients like Quill get unauthorised / missing bearer token errors. Not when first authenticating (using my Wordpress credentials), but always in next steps. Quill posts fine, micropublish.net doesn't. The issue is I run php as fastcgi, not as mod_php and that makes authorisation headers unavailable to php it seems. Changing htaccess doesn't help thusfar. Any pointers appreciated.
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[jgmac1106] You might want to take to WordPress channel... Folks run into micropub auth problems often
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tonz will do!
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cweiske tonz, https://cweiske.de/tagebuch/php-apache-authorization.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] PHP does not see Authorization header
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tonz [cweiske] thanks, I think I checked those but to no avail. The one remaining thing is I can try and check if the codes for those indieweb plugins checks the REDIRECT_ variety as well
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swentel snarfed, I see you're following me :)
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snarfed swentel; yes!
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swentel very very cool
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swentel I'll experiment now to see what minimal object we need for posts
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snarfed ok!
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swentel and, whether simply just adding 'public' and 'user/x/followers' is enough so that you would see my post on your timeline
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swentel that's what interests me the most really
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swentel I know posting already hehe
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snarfed hmm so are you hoping we'd just deliver to...one instance? which one?
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swentel yeah, that's the multi million dollar question indeed :/
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swentel I see you're storing followers
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swentel so you would basically just get those, and than use the shared inbox per instance probably
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snarfed right
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swentel makes more sense I guess
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swentel and how would someone target say, only syndicate this to mastodon ?
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swentel hmm
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swentel let me reprase
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swentel rephrase
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swentel djee
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swentel Another thing: how would someone syndicate a note to mastodon ? e.g. if pixelfed works, a note doesn't make sense there.
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swentel maybe the same like you do with bridgy - links become bridgy/publish/{x} maybe
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snarfed hmm maybe!
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snarfed this seems broader than just bridgy fed though
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snarfed if an AP instance doesn't support some kinds of posts, i'd think it needs to handle that itself, right?
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snarfed ie, if pixelfed supports full federation, and lets you follow a mastodon user, it needs to handle this, right?
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swentel hmm
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swentel right
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[jgmac1106] The Mastodon Auto share plugin WP.org sanitizes different post types well
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swentel but users might want it ? although I can't tell, as I only syndicate to twitter
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swentel maybe users only want some things on site x, and not on y
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swentel just thinking out loud
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swentel but maybe we should just get posting working first hehe
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snarfed swentel: first step would probably be to research to find if any existing AP services allow that
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snarfed and if so, how
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swentel hmm yeah, but I kept on reasoning, and you're right. If someone follows me on pixelfed once it supports federation
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swentel than it doesn't really matter
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swentel pixelfed should handle it and decide whether it shows it or not
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snarfed yup
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swentel ok, I will do a post in a few minutes :)
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swentel ok posted
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[jgmac1106] Swentel yes, I choose how I syndicate to Twitter, Mastodon and microblog
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[jgmac1106] And how you @mention folks is different for each
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[jgmac1106] Rarely do I do all three
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swentel snarfed, I see the post in my home timeline, and I didn't even cc my mastodon user
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snarfed hmm!
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swentel so if it shows up for you, then it would make posting much easier
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swentel (then the decision process could potentially become 'find the main instance this account is registered on' and post to the shared inbox there - if that is possible
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snarfed swentel: which post of yours?
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swentel snarfed, "I will be giving a session at @drupalcampbe about #indieweb ! A gentle 101 intro about the mission, specs and what the #drupal module already supports. Spoiler: a lot!"
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snarfed sadly i don't see it
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swentel ah bummer
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/swentel_remote_profile.png
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swentel hmm and not on your home timeline either I guess than
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swentel I don't see your account following me either for instance on mastodon.social, I have to go to visit on the other instance
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swentel so those things aren't synced all the time it seems
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swentel s/than/then
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snarfed whee
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snarfed gotta run, back later. thanks again!
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swentel later! :)
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Zegnat sebsel this is the feed reader I mentioned while acting (to quote you) "elitist": https://feedafever.com
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Zegnat I got it wrong, kindling are feeds you want to read and sparks are those that help highlight what to read first
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Zegnat Still, I wonder how such a concept would work with the way you are looking at the data!
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[sebsel] Nice! It’s still a cool idea to call those kindling and sparks, and it’s still related to using likes (and theoretically any mention) to filter out posts!
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[sebsel] (and, while I was joking, it *was* a bar you could only get in to by knocking the door and mostly serving expensive drinks :p )
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[sebsel] But that’s why it’s good to share the conversation here :p
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jeremycherfas Any bar that let us all in can not be considered elitist in any sense.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you haven't watched @indiewebcamp Nurnberg sessions and demos lot of progress was made. @sebsel showed how a social graph by displaying the likes of people he follows. The Indieauth session made a ton of progress on private and semi… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/22/davewiner-if-you-havent-watched-indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1054405449263517697)
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gRegorLove I'm wondering if we should ask Barnaby if he'd be ok moving php-mf-cleaner to the indieweb org on github
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gRegorLove It doesn't get many updates, but I just submitted a PR and I see there's 3 open, back to 2014
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Zegnat webapp++ half the apps on my phone don't do split screen but my new posting app does because it just works for web apps.
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Loqi webapp has 1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] This is neat https://friend.camp/@darius/100940751460030230
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Loqi [Darius Kazemi] Just FYI, Mastodon v2.6.0 web client adds a nice feature that makes having inline RSS feeds (via something like my RSS-to-ActivityPub converter, https://bots.tinysubversions.com/convert ) much more convenient. The feature adds a "read more" to any po... https://friend.camp/system/media_attachments/files/000/100/368/original/c6d6a141cb29b171.png
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AngeloGladding is there a specific term for a "Home Screen Web App" vs the more generic umbrella "web app"?
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Loqi AngeloGladding: [eddie] left you a message 2 days, 22 hours ago: I am planning on storing Cards as an entity as well. It'll be a combination of Contacts (People) and Venues
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Loqi AngeloGladding: [eddie] left you a message 2 days, 22 hours ago: So I guess that puts me at three entities: Posts, Cards and "Mentions" (unless I find a better term)
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sknebel What is PWA?
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Loqi Progressive Web App (PWA) is a web site that a client can progressively enhance into a standalone app that's comparable with a native app https://indieweb.org/PWA
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AngeloGladding ah yes
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gRegorLove split screen, Zegnat? Like a live preview of how the formatted text will look?
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Zegnat No. YouTube open on my phone while doing something else.
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Zegnat Need to stay awake for about 30 more minutes
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@Advanz Tablet Acer Iconia con el conector de carga roto, desoldamos, limpiamos y soldamos, cargando.#acer #iconia #sanfernando #advanzinformatica #clavijadecarga #microsub. en Advanz Informática https://www.instagram.com/p/BpP56yqHCyZ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1bzl9yxt7k2q6 (twitter.com/_/status/1054466986070163456)
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[cleverdevil] What's the right secret sauce for an h-feed to ensure that Aperture doesn't end up with duplicate entries?
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[cleverdevil] Is just having a unique id attribute on each h-entry suffice? (Seems like "no.")
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sknebel "no" seems like a bug
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sknebel What feed(s) do you have that problem with?
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sknebel What is last.fm?
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Loqi Last.fm is a silo for tracking music listening (scrobbling) and providing music recommendations https://indieweb.org/last.fm
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@jackyalcine yeah we just need a #indieweb #microsub client. if that doesn't make sense, look at this https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1054484999980888064)
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[schmarty] !tell eddie: digging through old reply contexts on my site as i transition to hugo. found a 500 page on yours: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/07/18/5/reply/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[cleverdevil] [sknebel] I am generating an h-feed from my private Instagram timeline that I subscribe to in Aperture.
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[cleverdevil] Every item in the feed has an unique "id" attribute, yet I still see dupes appearing in Aperture.
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[cleverdevil] This might be a question for [aaronpk]
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sknebel Does it have unique "url" or "uid" properties? Those should be enough...
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sknebel "id" afaik is not a thing
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[cleverdevil] So, its HTML, with each photo being encompassed as a <article class="h-entry" id="unique-id">.
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sknebel Ah
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sknebel That's not reflected in Microformats at all
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sknebel So I doubt aperture considers it
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gRegorLove You probably want `class="u-url u-uid"`
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[cleverdevil] Gotcha.
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[cleverdevil] I'll update my scripts and see if it works. That's totally logical.
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jacky I kinda think we need more "micro.blog"-esque sites for the indieweb
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jacky like to reach to gen1/2 users
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[cleverdevil] +1
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[cleverdevil] I used to think the best hope was WordPress / WP.com.
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[cleverdevil] I have totally lost faith in that, though.
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[jgmac1106] Weebly, Wix, Square space popular as well.
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[jgmac1106] I think a mobile micropub solution where folks don't even know the plumbing behind the scene is close
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[eddie] !tell schmarty How strange!! Thanks
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [eddie]: [schmarty] left you a message 1 hour, 11 minutes ago: digging through old reply contexts on my site as i transition to hugo. found a 500 page on yours: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/07/18/5/reply/
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[eddie] !tell bleh! I’ve changed my storage of replies too much without updating old posts. I’ll ping you when it’s fixed, it’ll require a bit of template tweaking
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[eddie] Oops! Haha
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[cleverdevil] That seems to be working, [gRegorLove]
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the tip!
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[cleverdevil] One of these days, I may clean up these scripts and make them available if anyone is interested.
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