#dev 2018-10-23

2018-10-23 UTC
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@jgmac1106 @jackyalcine Maybe what the world needs is a micropub and microsub artists collective. Choose an engine, choose a design, off to the races. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/26atjS) (twitter.com/_/status/1054553377005363201)
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GWG Okay, two reverse geocoding providers added for a total of three. Not going to end up losing this capability again.
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sknebel [tonz]: https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Destination
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[chegalabonga] swentel - could I have a link to those code examples you mentioned please? 🙂
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swentel [chegalabonga], for AP ?
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[chegalabonga] yes please
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[chegalabonga] I'd like to try and get follows / replies etc working on a full blog. Talking to things like mastodon but from my blog 😄
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swentel [chegalabonga], they are patches on my local system so I know how the objects should look like for bridgy fed, don't have them online somewhere, I can paste gists though
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swentel but
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swentel bridgy fed issue queue has examples of how the objects look like, let me check
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swentel [chegalabonga], https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/21#issuecomment-423772607 follow / accept objects
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Loqi [swentel] So, because I'm better at PHP, I exported my private key and than started hacking around, and guess what. I got it working :) It took me a while to create the proper object and signature, but now https://mastodon.social/users/swentel/following is fol...
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swentel [chegalabonga], for replies, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/16#issuecomment-424803380 (and further down)
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Loqi [swentel] this is the minimal object that I send: ``` stdClass Object ( [@context] => https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams [type] => Create [actor] => https://fed.brid.gy/realize.be [to] => Array ( [0] => https:/...
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swentel oh loqi .. :)
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swentel [chegalabonga], for replies or toots, the important thing to remember is: mastodon compares the host of the 'id' property and the 'actor'
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swentel if they don't match
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swentel it won't work
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[chegalabonga] oki
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[chegalabonga] thank you so much
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swentel but you won't know as mastodon always returns 202
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swentel it handles the rest async
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[chegalabonga] I did get a basic actor to work on a test domain
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[chegalabonga] using the mastodon blog post
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[chegalabonga] which was exciting
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[chegalabonga] Welcome [lauren]
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[lauren] Thanks! Hello. 🙂
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sknebel someone recently shared Orange Tsai's work on URL parsing, here's the continuation on path normalization: https://i.blackhat.com/us-18/Wed-August-8/us-18-Orange-Tsai-Breaking-Parser-Logic-Take-Your-Path-Normalization-Off-And-Pop-0days-Out-2.pdf / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28xWcRegncw
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[chegalabonga] With ActivityPub, when my site would get a follow notification, Would I presumably grab that person's inbox from their address and save it locally? Are there any best practices on what to save locally and what not to?
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@aaronpk Packed house for #IIW! Looking forward to three days of discussions about identity with everyone! Ask me about: OAuth, self-hosted identity, IndieWeb. Tomorrow I'll be talking about @Indie_Auth during demo hour! (twitter.com/_/status/1054788548866392064)
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@jgphilpin ↩️ @aaronpk @Indie_Auth Need to keep my eyes open for you where in the circle are you? #IIW (twitter.com/_/status/1054790512685678592)
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jgmac1106 would folks say I did this correct trying to write a read post in Known: view-source:http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/23/just-finished-the-first-module-el30
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sknebel should IMHO be u-read-of, the h-cite should have a u-url not just u-uid
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@aaronpk ↩️ @jgphilpin @Indie_Auth Kinda in the back, I'm wearing pink pants, should be easy to spot! (twitter.com/_/status/1054794506468388864)
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@jgphilpin ↩️ @aaronpk @Indie_Auth Looking - have a feeling you were right in front of me - grey / blue throughout (twitter.com/_/status/1054795166790217728)
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sebsel (several attendees from IWC Nürnberg would nod about aaronpk's easy to spot pink pants)
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aaronpk Good plan for day 1
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Don't mind me. I am trying to see if I can use #el30 to pilot and develop webmention badges. Just fooling around with learning. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1EMAat) (twitter.com/_/status/1054797159881760768)
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jgmac1106 thx [sknebel] switching from WordPress to Known and until I can figure out making plugins gonna have to do some manual posting for awhile….Known WISWIG can be quirky sometimes and
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@jgmac1106 Your blog can also be your federated network. Not sure we need ActivityPub spaces at all for stuff like #el30. RSS will work, and for more social features been playing with micropub and microsub readers (ActivityPub split in half with less technical… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/23/your-blog-can-also-be-your-federated (twitter.com/_/status/1054803552701431808)
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@koutropoulos ↩️ Webmention badges...sounds interesting :) Want to hear more about it (at some point when we're not running around like crazy....but then again, when is that the case? ;-) ) #el30 (twitter.com/_/status/1054803784977801221)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ My goal for #el30 is to get a platform for building and issuing webmention badges built by the end. Even gonna try a game of webmentions vs Zombies https://wmvsz.glitch.me (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1cWWj1) (twitter.com/_/status/1054805533797040128)
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[chegalabonga] Sorry to be asking so many AP questions... but I have another 😬
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aaronpk [chegalabonga]: fyi there's also the #social channel on irc.w3.org which is where a lot more AP developers hang out
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[chegalabonga] ahh
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[chegalabonga] cool
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[chegalabonga] thanks
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swentel what's the question?
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[chegalabonga] I have logged a follow request from mastodon to my test site
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[chegalabonga] https://gist.github.com/davidpeach/b78b8d80cf5c17fd2613d7cc138c8cde
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[chegalabonga] Im just wondering what general steps I should take to act on it. What should I keep in local DB. Should I authenticate the request somehow. etc.
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[chegalabonga] Im a nooooooooob
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[chegalabonga] 😅
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swentel well, you need to send back an accept response to the user
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swentel as for storing, well, you should store the actor so you can send posts to the inbox of this user later
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[chegalabonga] ahh k
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[chegalabonga] ty
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@aaronpk ↩️ Got another one for your slides! ➡ https://indieauth.net ➡ https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/ I'll be doing a demo at demo hour tomorrow at #IIW if you'd like to learn more! Read more: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/07/7/oauth-for-the-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/1054820213370146816)
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snarfed bridgy fed now translates ActivityPub follows to u-follow-of webmentions!
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snarfed example:
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snarfed !mf2 https://fed.brid.gy/render?source=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.technology%2F1ce118f7-a038-422a-b322-f190e184fc3e&target=https%3A%2F%2Fsnarfed.org%2F
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Kaja___ https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffed.brid.gy%2Frender%3Fsource%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fmastodon.technology%252F1ce118f7-a038-422a-b322-f190e184fc3e%26target%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fsnarfed.org%252F
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snarfed here's how the follow wm gets rendered on my site: https://snarfed.org/about#comment-2615238
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snarfed GWG++ for handling u-follow-of (and lots of other types) in wp semantic linkbacks
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Loqi GWG has 37 karma in this channel over the last year (163 in all channels)
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swentel OH COOL
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Loqi snarfed has 70 karma in this channel over the last year (121 in all channels)
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swentel snarfed++
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snarfed ...which begs the question, i assume we translate "unfollow" to an HTTP 410 of the u-follow-of webmention?
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dansup aaronpk: Hey, have you checked out Laravel Telescope yet? Really helpful for AP development! https://d3vv6lp55qjaqc.cloudfront.net/items/3J0g3n0z2h0e0M1r291N/Screen%20Shot%202018-10-23%20at%201.10.49%20PM.png
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swentel oh right, how to delete that webmention
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sknebel oh, chrome has/will have soon desktop PWAs as apps? https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/desktop
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sknebel good question re unfollow as deleted follow vs extra activity...
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swentel man, following and followees, this is SO confusing .. :)
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snarfed heh
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sknebel it feels a bit odd keeping track of where the follow post lived to be able to match its deletion...
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swentel hmm, I may have broken my follower hehe
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snarfed sknebel: might be ok? the sender will already store it as a post. the receiver will already store it as a received webmention
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swentel hmm I got a 'mention-of', but that's maybe because of webmention.io ?
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sknebel true
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swentel not knowing anything about follow
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snarfed swentel: probably yeah. bridgy fed's source mf2 looks good: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffed.brid.gy%2Frender%3Fsource%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fmastodon.social%252Fb8177a60-8f80-47a0-b943-a9df876cf5d5%26target%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frealize.be%252F
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snarfed feature request for aaronpk maybe
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swentel still, pretty awesome!
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snarfed yes!
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swentel I can check the source though, when it comes from fed.bridgy, I can do some manipulation
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snarfed true, but you really shouldn't have to
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snarfed ie, if we put in the effort, it should ideally go into wm.io
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snarfed up to you though
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swentel true, logging it in an issue right now on the drupal side first (had an error from this webmention, sweet irony), will open a request on wm.io one of these days
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aaronpk dansup: that looks cool, haven't played with it yet
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aaronpk webmention.io doesn't recognize follow posts yet no
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[dave] [sknebel]: they kind of already did, but they seem to be surfacing them more easily and minimizing the browser UI in app windows now
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sknebel I seemed to remember some "app mode" too, which they removed and now replaced with a PWA-based one?
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[dave] You could previously "install" a PWA by using the 'Create Shortcut" command from the browser menu, and still can, but now I think they're allowing the same events/API as mobile Chrome for adding to home screen
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sknebel ah, ok
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[dave] I already had several web apps added to my Chrome and since upgrading to 70, the window title bar has been reformatted and given an app menu as well.
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[dave] It's not very different on Fedora Linux. Will have to dig up my old Chromebook at home to see if I can update it and try the support on it.
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[dave] I like their examples though, especially the mini mode. I have a PWA game that I might consider adding a mini mode to
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[dave] https://interst8.us
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GWG How many static map providers is overkill?
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jacky is anyone else making services to avoid SPOA?
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jacky I was debating making another service to go with IndieLogin
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GWG jacky, services like?
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jacky something like IndieAuth as a service, to start
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GWG I do not use any aaronpk services
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jacky fancy ;)
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aaronpk someone please make a better indieauth.com
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jacky lolol gotta put that as a banner on the site
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jacky but challenge accepted
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aaronpk at least micro.blog has its own built in now
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GWG I build WordPress plugins, so I want to build everything into it
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aaronpk GWG i'm gonna be demoing the wordpress plugin tomorrow!
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GWG aaronpk, it could be better, but it is good
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sknebel we have a bunch of IndieAuth servers now, which is nice. but none as a service I guess
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GWG To who?
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sknebel (not quite, I think schmarty made one that you can deploy to glitch, which is close)
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GWG aaronpk, to who?
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aaronpk at IIW
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GWG IIW?
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aaronpk what is IIW?
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Loqi The Internet Identity Workshop is a workshop held twice a year that focuses on identity issues https://indieweb.org/IIW
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GWG Oh
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GWG What is the topic?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "topic" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "topic is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk IndieAuth
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aaronpk at the demo hour
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aaronpk i'll be doing a 5 minute presentation 10 times
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GWG Ok
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GWG Have fun
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GWG And tell me if you get any feedback on the plugin
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