#dev 2018-10-29

2018-10-29 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Anyone have any idea what this error means?
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[eddie] It’s trying to parse information from your Micropub endpoints first syndication target
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[eddie] and it’s failing. It’s expecting a JSON string, which seems odd, I think
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[eddie] I do remember I think Known Syndication targets were a bit funky
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[eddie] I’ll need to look through my code see if I can figure out what was wrong with them and send that info to swentel
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cweiske ? I did not see this error. slack<->irc sync problem?
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[Rose] Slack images don't auto post to IRC
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[eddie] Image from slack posted by jgmac1106: https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FDRHQ7TFZ/screenshot_20181029-063540.png
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[eddie] I found my commit where I fixed the syndication targets for Known but alas I didn’t make many notes about why I made the changes I made
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[eddie] lol
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[eddie] pasteddie--
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Loqi pasteddie has -1 karma over the last year
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[eddie] Ohhh I think swentel is expecting a jf2 object for every syndication target
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[eddie] but sometimes it’s just an id string (like in Known)
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[eddie] I’ll create a github issue
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swentel really ?!
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swentel ugh
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[eddie] Yeah lol
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[eddie] What I ended up doing is they put the service then “::” then the service username
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[eddie] So I attempt JSOn parsing in a try-catch block
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[eddie] if it fails, then I split on “::” if it exists and I can then use the service name and username to make a nicer looking syndication target
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swentel right
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swentel I also have a try catch block there
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[eddie] ohh hmm
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swentel well, I can do the split in the catch then :)
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sknebel Known doesn't follow the spec there?
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swentel Now I show an error message that it couldn't parse
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swentel I did that because at some point I switch the storage
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swentel updating configuration then should fixed it
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swentel but yeah, if known sends it differently, than it needs a fix
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swentel (preferably in known)
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swentel but I can live with a temp code fix though
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[eddie] Well it’s following spec (kind of)
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[eddie] Spec gives two options: a UID known by the Micropub endpoint or a jf2 object to provide a nicer display
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swentel oooh
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swentel didn't know that :/
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[eddie] Known just provides a UID but it’s an ugly UID
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] Most people do jf2 I think because it looks nicer
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[eddie] because it allows a display name and a uid
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sknebel [eddie]: huh? it has to be a json with name + uid afaik
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[eddie] Ohhh it used to not require that I guess
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sknebel "At a minimum, a syndication target MUST have a uid and human-readable name property. "
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[eddie] https://indieweb.org/Micropub-brainstorming#Discovering_Supported_Syndication_Targets
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[eddie] I think that’s what’s going on at least
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sknebel yeah, that feature might very well be older than the spec in Known
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[kevinmarks] Known was the first one to support syndication, but took a while to update
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[kevinmarks] should we move https://github.com/Zegnat/verify-me-locally to https://github.com/indieweb/verify-me to stop the indiewebify.me dependency (And possible security hole)
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Loqi [Zegnat] verify-me-locally: A spin-off of @kevinmarks’ verify-me without external dependencies.
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Zegnat It probably needs updating to the new web extensions?
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Zegnat I'm not against moving, but it is a bit stale at the moment
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[kevinmarks] the original chrome extension is now banned due to no privacy statement, so yours would be a big improvement
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[eddie] I take it back Known has uid and name
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[eddie] 😕 Well now I can’t figure out what it was that was wrong with Known in my code
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[kevinmarks] whats it like wiht my hosted known? i think that is still running an older one that confuses some clients
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[kevinmarks] known.kevinmarks.com
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Zegnat I think it should be able to run the same extension code on Chrome and Firefox, just need to find the time to update it to the proper stuff... Did you want this done before the Mastodon release, [kevinmarks] ?
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[kevinmarks] do you have access to the https://github.com/indieweb/verify-me repo?
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Loqi [indieweb] verify-me: A plugin that checks all rel="me" links are reciprocal, doing distributed verification
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[kevinmarks] I expect we'll see more discussion about it this week, so would be good to have it ready for HN etc
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[kevinmarks] https://vulpine.club/@00dani/100977239368792550
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Loqi [danielle~! :dani:] i mean look at thisthat's the profile section on my web site, and the red x means that i couldn't get that service to rel="me" link back to my personal sitecome ON, people https://cdn-assets.vulpine.owogroupllc.com/media_attachments/files/001/177/485/original/1597915a2a5d7503.png
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[kevinmarks] 00dani++
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[eddie] ahh swentel and sknebel: yeah they are doing wrong things
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[eddie] https://github.com/idno/known/blob/f6e5f2cb4c7c00d17193fa82f6b10eea54540de5/IdnoPlugins/IndiePub/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php#L64-L83
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swentel aah
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swentel adding accept/json would fix it
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[eddie] It’s returning the strings on config
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[eddie] But the syndication target endpoint yep, you have to ask for json
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[eddie] I’ll create an issue in Known for them to just always return json
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swentel I'd rather do that to be honest
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[eddie] makes sense
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swentel well, if the spec allows for both, that's fine I guess for them
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swentel but not sure how many clients support both
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[eddie] i think it supported both during brainstorming
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[eddie] I think the official spec requires the json object
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if that is why some aaronpk tools dislike my known.
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[eddie] probably
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[eddie] Yeah, swentel I confirmed the spec requires the json structure
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[eddie] so it’s definitely on Known
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swentel ok good :)
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[eddie] ohhh turns out i filed this issue almost a year ago: https://github.com/idno/known/issues/2001
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #2001 [MicroPub] syndication targets should return both UID and name from the q=config micropub endpoint
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[eddie] So….. i’m guessing we shouldn’t expect for it to be fixed
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swentel hehe
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[eddie] Even worse, it’s fixed in a random branch in March
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[eddie] that seems to have then been abandoned
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swentel they moved it out of core known apparently
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[eddie] It looks like they were GOING to move it out of core
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[eddie] but that effort seems to have been abandoned? Because the issue regarding moving it out of core was labeled as “not right now”
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[eddie] Which is really unfortunate as that means Micropub would no longer have native support within Known
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[eddie] known00
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[eddie] known--
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Loqi known has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (0 in all channels)
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[eddie] So I added a dark mode to my website for macOS Mojave users with the Safari Tech Preview (and eventually after the new Safari version, any Mojave user with dark mode). The biggest question is, should I provide an actual “dark/light” mode switcher to allow someone to switch between themes?
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[eddie] Because someone MAY prefer to use a dark version of my website even if they don’t have macOS Mojave or they may not use Dark Mode
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[eddie] I’m thinking I will, but that leads to the following question. Do I add a query parameter to every page of my website? ?theme=dark and alter the display based on that. OR do I just provide a JS switcher
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[eddie] I can do it easily either way because it’s really just adding a css class to the page body
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[eddie] but I don’t really like the idea of altering my url for a theme
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[eddie] I guess I could just do cookies, which could work on both sides?
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[eddie] When you are on the page if you click the theme switcher the JS will add a theme cookie and change the css class on the body
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[eddie] That’s probably the way to go as the more I think about it, I really don’t want to mess with my url structure for theming
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[Vincent] From an accessibility point of view, a dark mode is really good (https://charlesrt.uk/blog/apple-need-a-dark-mode-for-people-like-molly-watt/). I would avoid using JS for anything that is a basic user need in case it never loads, blocked etc. Then people still get your content and can consume it.
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@jgmac1106 Now that I am back to doing my social stream on @withknown I need to experiment with keeping both my Tweets and webmentions threaded. Can't remember if I should reply to my tweets I syndicate or to my post to keep both threaded. I will experiment… http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/10/29/now-that-i-am-back-to-doing (twitter.com/_/status/1056895900197576704)
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sknebel seems like a fair use case for cookie/localstorage + JS
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[eddie] [Vincent] So you are saying you would consider dark mode (due to accessibility POV) a basic user need, thus you would shy away from js?
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[eddie] I definitely see Dark Mode as useful for accessibility
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[eddie] and I definitely think JS should be progressive enhancement
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[eddie] I guess I’m just not sure where I fall on Dark Mode being need or enhancement
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aaronpk [eddie]: id set a cookie to toggle dark mode. You can do it from JavaScript or server side
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[eddie] So if <no script> make the toggle button a POST form?
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[eddie] that would change the cookie and redirect back to the existing page?
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[eddie] If js it intercepts and just changes on the fly and updates the cookie?
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[Vincent] [eddie] yeah I would these days. It’s amazing how many visual impairments are affected by it. It’s on my backlog for my blog, once I find time
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[eddie] Interesting. I have 0 visual impairments (besides being near-sighted) so I’m not as familiar with how dark mode helps out
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[eddie] but that’s good to know
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[eddie] I hear people mention it, but don’t actually know any specifics, etc
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aaronpk Hm we should clean up that brainstorming section since the spec covers all the use cases described there https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#syndication-targets
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sknebel it's in a "resolved" section for things that are in spec
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aaronpk Ohh
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aaronpk missed that
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sknebel I guess we could put links to the spec sections and put the old text in detail-blocks
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sknebel to make that harder to mis
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sknebel (I think I went through last year some point and just sorted them that way, but didn't go further than that)
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aaronpk Yeah at least it should link to the spec section
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sknebel careful with server-side style changes and caching tho :D
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petermolnar re dark mode; I see it' possible to use it with a media query, but I keep wondering how it could be triggered by hand as well. Currently I have a theme switcher which either turns a light-override set of CSS on or off, but if I want to support automatic light/dark mode, I need to figure a way to trigger it with JS as well, if needed. Anyone aware of any solution for it?
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sknebel you can enable/disable CSS in JS by turning on/off the link tags
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petermolnar yes, that I know
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petermolnar but
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petermolnar if I wrap the 'light theme' in a light-preferred media query
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petermolnar it wouldn't matter if I enable/disable the link
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[eddie] petermolnar I currently have my light mode as default
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sknebel you can put media queries in the link tag AFAIK, and can remove the query from the link tag?
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[eddie] dark mode is under preferred dark
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petermolnar that's orthogonal :)
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[eddie] My goal is to basically have a set of css (the dark mode css) that is listed both under the css query AND a css class
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[eddie] so I can trigger dark mode by adding a dark-mode class to the body
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petermolnar ok, I'll rephrase the question: can JS detect light and dark mode preferred? If yes, how?
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[eddie] ohhhh no
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sknebel window.matchMedia
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sknebel https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/matchMedia
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petermolnar [eddie]: https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/blob/master/templates/base.j2.html#L15 and https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/blob/master/templates/base.j2.html#L21
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[eddie] oh wait
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petermolnar I'd need to add the detect dark/light in there
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[eddie] haha
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[eddie] I just found that
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[eddie] Yeah I just tested in Safari and it worked
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[eddie] window.matchMedia(“(prefers-color-scheme: dark)“).matches returned true when I was in dark mode
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sknebel aaronpk: webmention.io uses xray, right? do you know off-hand if it supports any of the "remote yes" rsvp proposals?
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aaronpk I don't think it does yet
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aaronpk should be quick to add tho
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[Vincent] [eddie] for context, it’s usually helpful for users with dyslexia, or eye problems such as Usher syndrome.
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[Vincent] https://tatham.blog/2008/10/13/why-light-text-on-dark-background-is-a-bad-idea/
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[Vincent] about 50% of the population have some eye condition that makes black text against white be a problem in some way
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[Rose] A note: I, and several people I know with mild astigmatisms, don't find it to be too much of a problem. But accessibility is a good thing regardless of course.
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[eddie] Interest, thanks [Vincent]!
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[eddie] [Rose] :thumbsup:
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[Rose] (I actually live in dark mode most of the time, Slack just likes to burn my retinas for me)
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[Vincent] lol ditto. And I have 20/20 vision
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[Vincent] *curses slack*
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[Rose] With contact lenses or glasses my vision is excellent (better than 20/20 one optician said), though of course tiredness plays a role
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petermolnar would someone be so kind to visit my site ( https://petermolnar.net/ ) with cleared localstorage in light mode on mac an tell me if the site is light or dark? (ENOMAC)
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petermolnar (please?)
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[kevinmarks] Does dark mode effectively stop sites doing the stupid low contrast thing?
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petermolnar nope
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[Rose] Light mode is light, dark menu, dark mode is dark
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petermolnar black-on-black is slick, so that'll be a trend soon
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@jgmac1106 Glad to see @lauraritchie launch gRSShopper. I haven't given the install a try yet, but love the idea of native webmentions in the RSS reader #el30 can't wait to give it a spin. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/NCZJs) (twitter.com/_/status/1056906463308890113)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #el30 folks using Blogger or http://WordPress.com you can add webmentions to your site using Bridgy just go to https://brid.gy and sign up. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/20Vrpt) (twitter.com/_/status/1056907873593253889)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #el30 folks using Blogger or http://WordPress.com you can add webmentions to your site using Bridgy just go to https://brid.gy and sign up. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/20Vrpt) (twitter.com/_/status/1056907873593253889)
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[Vincent] @petermolnar I see black background, white text.
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petermolnar hm
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[Vincent] ah wait. I’m on dark mode. my bad
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aaronpk I see light text on dark, but my mac doesn't support dark mode yet
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Zegnat I got the dark page in light mode on Mac.
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petermolnar aaronpk: yep, that's the default, clicking on the contrast icon in the toolbar at the top switches to light
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aaronpk ah gotcha
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petermolnar in theory, I added a line, that should trigger the light mode when detected
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petermolnar unless there's already a preference set, hence the clear localstorage part
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[Vincent] Switched to light mode, cleared cache. Reloaded page. I still see dark mode.
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petermolnar ok, it's not working them :)
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petermolnar thank you for the test, I'll figure it out somehow
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[Vincent] Apparently Safari 68 supports dark mode
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[Vincent] supported with the prefers-color-scheme: light css media query. https://codepen.io/jonneal/pen/vzPwWo/
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@jgmac1106 Okay after testing this morning, and I should have remembered the best way to keep Tweets and webmentions threaded on Known is to reply to your own updates rather than your syndicated tweets. (http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/AZgtQ) (twitter.com/_/status/1056911604627988480)
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[Vincent] Dark mode demo. Safari 68.
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@koolinus Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet http://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1056923727156445186)
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[schmarty] lol my site hasn't been updating for a week and i just noticed.
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[eddie] oh no! haha
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[schmarty] note to self: don't blindly re-fetch a bunch of webmention data and just assume that jekyll can consume it before embarking on 2 days of travel and three days of sickness.
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[schmarty] is so close to feature parity with the new hugo templates for his site.
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[schmarty] looks like a couple of swarm posts got flipped in time, also.
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk In order for Compass’ Web Hooks to run, does it require the background process to run? because I’m not seeing the pings on my server. But I haven’t run the background process, so I’m wondering if that’s what is missing
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] schmarty the Swarm stuff is probably because a couple days ago OYS had API denial issues from Foursquare
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[schmarty] these posts went through before that. the ordering problem is from a "safety feature" on my micropub server where i decided never to trust incoming publish dates and times. :}
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[eddie] ohhhh
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[eddie] lol
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[schmarty] oh, nvm, they seem to have come through a couple of days late, so it's a combination of those issues. :}
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aaronpk [eddie] yeah you need to run the background script for the trip stuff and web hooks to run
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Loqi aaronpk: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 31 minutes ago: In order for Compass’ Web Hooks to run, does it require the background process to run? because I’m not seeing the pings on my server. But I haven’t run the background process, so I’m wondering if that’s what is missing
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aaronpk I don't like relying on the HTTP connection from the phone to also do long-running stuff like that
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[eddie] Gotcha. I intentionally don't have the background process because the trip stuff doesn't use a media endpoint yet it still just sends it in that multipart that breaks on my Micropub endpoint. haha
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[eddie] If I let the background process run and all the trips are "sent" is there anyway to retrieve them?
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aaronpk the trips are kind weird, and I probably need to redo how it's handled completely
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[eddie] haha I basically have it not running in the hope that when I get Compass to send the geodata via media endpoint, I can turn it on and all my trips will send.
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aaronpk really a trip is just a few additional properties on the start and end location in the regular collection of locations
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aaronpk when the HTTP endpoint recognizes that a trip has ended, it queues a job to process it
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[eddie] So I guess if I wanted to "query the trips" from the past, I could just scrape each day and look for the start and end parameters
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aaronpk so depending on what you've configured for your job queue, you might have a bunch of jobs queued up already now. but if not, the trip data is still in there but you'd have to iterate over all the records to find them
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aaronpk I probably should have stored the trip start/end markers in a separate database table so they'd be easier to find :sigh:
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[eddie] Gotcha. I *think* the jobs are in the queue because when I ran the background worker for a minute awhile ago it started sending stuff
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[eddie] So I've left the background worker off so my queue builds up
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aaronpk heh
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[eddie] haha maybe not a good idea though because.... who knows how many queue items have piled up
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[eddie] haha
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[eddie] I'm guessing it's probably just easier for me to dump the queue, turn on the background worker and then fetch the past trips by iterating over the content in the future
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aaronpk if you want to run the worker and skip processing all the trips, add a "return" at the top of this function to just skip it https://github.com/aaronpk/Compass/blob/master/compass/app/Jobs/TripComplete.php#L23
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[eddie] Ah, great idea!
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jgmac1106 !tell KartkPrabhu this id pretty cool: https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/480/4/5550/5089220 thinking how many scifi storied take advantage of the leGrange poiint….maybe all that dust would muck up your system
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 oops that was meant for chat
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (3.3.2): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags *… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1056975999831887872)
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swentel hmm the scope for deleting an item from a timeline, is that channels then ?
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swentel or also just 'read' ?
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aaronpk good question, I can't remember what I did on aperture
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swentel hehe
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swentel I was about to check
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swentel hmm seems to be read
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aaronpk I guess that does make sense
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swentel works for me :)
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klez Am I doing a good thing? https://github.com/gogs/gogs/pull/5485
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Loqi [federicoculloca] #5485 Added rel="me" to website link on user profile
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[jgmac1106] Can anyone look at this post?https://breadcrumbs.wiobyrne.com/nearly-one-in-five-teens-cant-always-finish-their-homework-because-of-the-digital-divide/ A span class in his h-card is displaying as plain text in my reader
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Loqi [wiobyrne] Nearly one-in-five teens can’t always finish their homework because of the digital divide by an author Research report from Monica Anderson and Andrew Perrin from the Pew Research Center. Full report here (PDF). All annotations in context. Some 1... https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/4bc25e5546435520409e2bc166714dd5?s=100&d=https://breadcrumbs.wiobyrne.com/wp-content/plugins/semantic-linkbacks/img/mm.jpg&r=g
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sknebel there's to e-contents, the outer one includes way to much
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sknebel *two e-contents
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[jgmac1106] Weird he would get two e-contents... Using Independent Publisher... Must be another bug. I will test when I have a chance
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