#dev 2018-11-02

2018-11-02 UTC
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[cleverdevil] Tinkering -> https://cleverdevil.io/nicknames?url=https://cleverdevil.io
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[cleverdevil] Pass in any arbitrary domain, this will parse for relme links, and pull the person's name from their hcard, and generate a JSON output containing a mapping of that domain to all of their identities, and how to "mention" them in plain-text and HTML on that service.
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snarfed ooh cool!
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++
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Loqi [cleverdevil] has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (75 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] (Only handles a few services at the moment... Twitter, Micro.blog, GitHub, Keybase, Instagram, and LinkedIn)
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[cleverdevil] Its in PHP, so I could merge this into Known as a helper class somewhere, and then use it to implement what I am wanting.
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jacky nice
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jacky definitely useful for building a nickname cache
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jacky [cleverdevil]: do you even need the HTML if it's mostly the same? it seems like the text would be the more "dynamic" bit
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snarfed alternatively include a url field for the silo profile url
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jacky ^
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[cleverdevil] Good ideas. Gotta run to a family thing. I’ll tinker more later 😀
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[kevinmarks] Gets confused by kevinmarks.com
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gRegorLove [cleverdevil], only finds my keybase: https://cleverdevil.io/nicknames?url=https://gregorlove.com
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[cleverdevil] Added the "url" key.
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[cleverdevil] Looking at the two sites that it didn't pick anything up from.
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[cleverdevil] (Its using the version of php-mf2 bundled with Known)
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[cleverdevil] May be out of date.
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[cleverdevil] Fixed [gRegorLove]'s
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[cleverdevil] (My regex wasn't case insensitive... oops!)
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[cleverdevil] Now I've broken it again, haha... working on it.
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[eddie] Regarding pet names and nicknames cache. My site recognizes and displays pet names. (See Mom, Dad and Ash pet names on this post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/12/07/16/checkin/) real names would be Sarah, Dean and Ashley.
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Getting ready for Dad’s retirement tomorrow +Stacy +Matt +SarahMai at Garrisonville, VA with Ash, Dad and Mom. https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/mapbox/streets-v9/static/pin-m+24b1f3(-77.42124009981552,38.47519106565878)/-77.42124009981552,38.47519106565878,13,0,60/1280x350@2x?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZWRkaWVoaW5rbGUiLCJhIjoiY2oxa3o1aXdiMDAwNDMzbjFjNGQ0ejl1eSJ9.WQZ6i6b-TYYe_96IQ6iXdg&attribution=false&logo=false
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, kevinmarks.com totally explodes.
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[eddie] My site supports pet names both for @-mentions and person tags
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[cleverdevil] Not sure why.
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... Known can't even fetch the site.
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[cleverdevil] Works on every other site I try.
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[cleverdevil] Ah... "Connection timed out after 5000 milliseconds"
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[cleverdevil] Yup, can't even curl your site from my server [kevinmarks].
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gRegorLove Hehe, capital R strikes again :)
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[kevinmarks] odd
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[cleverdevil] I am able to get it to work if I use http://www.kevinmarks.com
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[cleverdevil] Of course, it improperly discovers your h-card then, assigning you the name "Chris Messina"
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[kevinmarks] it should redirect
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] It looks like you're on S3, and I am fetching from an EC2 instance, so it may be somehow oddly related.
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[kevinmarks] is this like google appengine not being able to crawl itself?
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[cleverdevil] Here is the in-progress code -> https://gist.github.com/cleverdevil/17a5cea3cb8d81c43404de169720a8df
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[cleverdevil] Feel free to provide feedback!
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[kevinmarks] my h-card is inside the h-feed, so you don't see it and get Messina from the bottom
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[kevinmarks] you'd have the same problem with an h-card on a post
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[cleverdevil] Shouldn't your h-card be up at the root level on your domain?
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[cleverdevil] How am I to know which h-card is yours?
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[cleverdevil] I suppose I could match the urls.
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[kevinmarks] try https://github.com/indieweb/representative-h-card-php
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Loqi [indieweb] representative-h-card-php: Given a parsed mf2 document, return the representative h-card for the page
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[cleverdevil] Cool.
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[cleverdevil] That fixed it.
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[cleverdevil] [kevinmarks]++
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Loqi [kevinmarks] has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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jacky wait random
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jacky does quill not follow redirects?
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jacky er rather (and this is on my livestream atm lol)
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jacky like for micropub, I returned a 307 to upgrade a request to TLS and it considered that an error
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Zegnat jacky it could be 3xx are unaccepted. Micropub standard doesn't specify having to follow redirects, so clients may treat those as non-conforming endpoints.
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jacky :(
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Zegnat Not sure if there was an issue for it. You can file one so we can have a linkable discussion about it.
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mblaney oooh I didn't know firefox had a native json viewer... thanks for triggering that realisation cleverdevil!
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mblaney I'm going to switch my microformats query form to display that by default :-)
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aaronpk jacky: how’d you end up advertising an http url for your micropub endpoint? If you tell quill your endpoint is https then it won’t have to redirect
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aaronpk I don’t think asking clients to retry a post when they get a 307 is very nice as that’s a bit of additional code and logic to handle in the client
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swentel GWG, pushed a new release which includes the altitude, let me know how it goes
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swentel can't be at the camp unfortunately, had to cancel my trip :(
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GWG I won't be at altitude till I leave Berlin
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GWG swentel, was looking forward to seeing you. Sorry to miss you
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swentel hehe yeah berlin is pretty low I guess
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GWG swentel, it will store it, just not display it
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GWG I set it to only display over 500m
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swentel ah ok
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GWG I should customize that
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Loqi it is probable
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swentel well, I'm not even storing it yet, but I think the format will be ok, let me know if I pass it along badly
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GWG swentel, will be testing a few things that I might need you for
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swentel ok, I'll be online the next days
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swentel working on the drupal side of things mostly (want indieauth in)
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swentel and finishing the microsub server
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swentel well, at least v1
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GWG I have to track down a timezone issue
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swentel aaaah
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GWG I can only test those out of my zone
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swentel I've seen weird things in the timelines
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swentel especially with hour notation
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swentel things like 24:33
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swentel that's stupid haha
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GWG Not that, my code is supposed to recognize when the timezone doesn't match my default and change the display
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GWG swentel, how does Indigenous send in dates? does it add the offset?
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GWG I need to look at the raw data.
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swentel good question
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swentel let me check
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swentel mmm so dates are only on events right
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swentel so this is the format: yyyy-MM-dd'T'kk:mm:00Z
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swentel so basically zulu time
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swentel but
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swentel might need some revision I guess
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swentel hates dates
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GWG Could you localize?
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GWG I can open an issue
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swentel yeah, even the IDE tells me I should localize
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swentel or
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swentel add it to https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/108
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Loqi [swentel] #108 Prettify dates and also fix hour notation
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swentel that's related to the timeline
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Zegnat That's something I need to work on too. I want my client to send along my phone's local timezone.
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swentel but it more or less has the same problem
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swentel my ide also tells me there I should use the phone local timezone
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swentel which is a different function
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swentel so probably the same for input
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Zegnat What's the plan for this weekend, GWG, what is getting built?
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GWG Added, but that's a display issue
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GWG Not sure
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swentel yeah, it's a display issue in the timeline
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swentel yet still confusing at some times
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swentel I first thought it might have been something at the server level
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swentel but I have the same with my microsub server
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swentel so it's def indigenous
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GWG swentel, my request is a post issue
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swentel yep
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GWG I know Quill does that, as I tested originally with it
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GWG My code, if I use my post editor, does it if the location is somewhere else, but it isn't converting Micropub
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GWG I need to fix that
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GWG I have been manually fixing it
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swentel GWG, does quill send a date for every post type ?
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GWG Yes, I believe so
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GWG Publish date
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GWG Do you not?
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swentel oh
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swentel no
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GWG If so, the backend figures it out based on current time
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swentel I only send dates on events (start and end)
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swentel so yeah, at drupal side, I also set it based on current time
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swentel however, interesting
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swentel you might want to anti-date of course
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swentel never thought about that
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swentel that's definitely a separate issue
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GWG Issue filed
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GWG It would allow for future dating posts
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GWG As well as past dating
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GWG Worth always sending
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swentel yep, makes sense
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swentel need to open issue at the drupal side too
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swentel it never ends :)
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GWG swentel, welcome to my world
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swentel hehe
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swentel I'm used to it working on drupal core and contrib hehe
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Zegnat goes to find a seat with outlet at the airport to make his client submit full localised timestamps.
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Zegnat I think I've found what I am working in this weekend. Ha!
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GWG What?
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Zegnat My micropub client
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Zegnat Though part of me wants to work in private feeds...
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Zegnat s/in/on/
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Zegnat I really believe the draft done in Nürnberg could work well for private feeds. Want to do some initial implementing to see how it feels. But that also only makes sense if I can get multiple people onboard.
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/2018/Nuremberg/autoauth
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sknebel Unless I get a better idea tomorrow, sure!
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Zegnat 👍 two possible projects for me then.
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GWG Finding a lot of bugfix opportunities as I travelogue
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[frank] [sknebel] You use Inoreader as well right? Do you have an idea what would be a frictionless way to post something from Inoreader to my Jekyll-based blog (via Github) both from the active searches, individual posts etc? Perhaps add some own thoughts etc.
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[jgmac1106] [frank] I use inoreader and I never discovered away. Ended up starting to use [aaronpk]'s Aperture
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[frank] Hahaha... that sounds promising [jgmac1106] I know click through to the actual page and use Omnibear to bookmark/repost on my blog.
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Loqi hehe
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[frank] [jgmac1106] I've been thinking about using the Broadcast possibility. This builds an RSS feed I could use as input for some service to post to my site. But I get stuck in these moving parts...should I use micropub to post then? Something else? Build it or fork it? Which one? All these open ends!
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[jgmac1106] [frank] yeah all my class feeds are inoreader so I can embed feeds on my site
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[jgmac1106] try aperture and indigenous first, I need to try the broadcast, but yeah I click on link to web, copy url, and then use somethign to publish from inoreader
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[jgmac1106] [jackjamieson] working ion micrsub and Yarn for WordPress, @swentel has a Drupal implementation
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[frank] I don't really like the share-sheet from Indigenous. When I choose bookmark, it immediately sends the info to my site without a possibility to edit or anything else.
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[jgmac1106] file a a feature request issue...super responsive team
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swentel hmm yeah, that's an easy option to add
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swentel to expose the bookmark share
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swentel and not send it per direct
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[frank] I see Inoreader does support custom sites with some URL variables. I might want to look into that. As some sort of remote IWC Berlin project. Even though I have a family that needs some attention this weekend and there is a craftbeerfestival around the corner... 🙂
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[frank] That would be cool
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swentel you could just turn it off and then use the indigenous share option
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swentel but then you need to select the right post type first too
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swentel which is an extra step of course
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swentel feel free to open a request, can go in soon that one
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[frank] How do you mean turn it off? In the iOS share sheet?
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swentel aah
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swentel I maintain the Android version :)
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swentel [eddie] does the iOS version
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[eddie] Improving the bookmark is definitely something I need to do
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[eddie] I can increase the priority if you find bookmarks not useable in it’s current state, [frank]
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[frank] That's up to you [eddie]. I don't mea to bring any developer in stress mode because of me not liking something... I'm too modest for that 😉
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[eddie] haha, understandable. But it’s good to get feedback 🙂 I have literally over 100 potential features on the list, some big and some small. Knowing what will be most beneficial to people who have downloaded and used Indigenous is helpful to narrow the focus
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[frank] Well... the bookmark part is kinda bugging me. Indigenous is the only option right now as an app to publish to my site from iOS. Besides the webbased Quill and going through burning hoops with Editorial, Working Copy and some witchcraft...
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[eddie] That’s great to know. The best workflow in your mind would be something like this? Select bookmark, it parses the page for mf2 and displays the primary mf2 for a book (title, photo, content if it’s a note), if no mf2 just grabbing the page title.
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[eddie] Then putting those values into a couple fields so you can edit it
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[eddie] and have a submit button?
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[eddie] Then it would essentially send Micropub JSON with an embedded h-cite with the values
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[frank] That would be awesome!
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[eddie] Great 🙂 I'll give that a high priority of the list of short-term improvements
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snarfed apropos of nothing, but i've managed to keep my bill for all indieweb stuff i run, bridgy + granary + indiemap etc, down below $50/month for the last 5-6 mos. pretty proud of that.
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snarfed dropping FB on bridgy definitely helped some, but even excluding those users, bridgy consistently costs < $.01/user/month for backfeed users (since their polling is what costs. publish and hosted blog users are basically free.)
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aaronpk nice
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/costs.png
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snarfed </humblebrag>
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[schmarty] snarfed++ very nice!
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Loqi snarfed has 69 karma in this channel over the last year (116 in all channels)
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jacky aaronpk: I don't know my site's hostname out of the box (it's running from within a container so it thinks it's http://localhost:4000) so I take in a provided host name and rewrite to be the 'expected' hostname
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jacky I can update the logic on my side to fix that though
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aaronpk ?
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jacky so like koype on my laptop runs under Docker and I'd reach it from http://localhost:4000. But when I hit Quill, I'm hitting it via ngrok so its hostname is https://235f79da.ngrok.io
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jacky there's no "rewriting" that's done from ngrok -> local so this is more of a me thing than anything else
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aaronpk quill has a setting to tell it what its base URL is
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aaronpk in the config
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[kevinmarks] Svgshare.com is ticking up again. I need to have a look at it at some point.
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the feedback everyone on my tinkering with "nicknames" yesterday. I've updated a ticket in Known with details on how I could see this improving Known in general - https://github.com/idno/known/issues/1992
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[cleverdevil] We'll see what [benwerd] has to say 🙂
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #1992 Better support for @-mentions across platforms.
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@syranez https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1058486861415505920)
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[cleverdevil] Hey, [aaronpk], should I open an issue in Aperture for this? - https://github.com/cleverdevil/together/issues/20
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #20 Photos from source not loading
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aaronpk does jsonfeed say anything about relative URLs?
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aaronpk if not, open an issue on the spec there first. I am not clear whether this is considered valid HTML for a jsonfeed item.
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[cleverdevil] So, I opened a related issue and PR on JSONFeed - https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/pull/116
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #116 Clarify relative references in on `img` tags
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[cleverdevil] But, its been open forever.
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[cleverdevil] It said nothing before, and my PR simply says that relative URLs *may* be used.
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[cleverdevil] Mostly because its already out in the wild with people using it that way.
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aaronpk more importantly it says what they should be resolved against
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aaronpk which is the item url not the feed url
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aaronpk which is not obvious
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[cleverdevil] Correct.
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aaronpk ok in that case open an issue on xray which is the thing that's parsing the jsonfeed
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[cleverdevil] !tell manton Think you could get this resolved?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[cleverdevil] Damn.
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[cleverdevil] !tell manton Think you could get this PR merged? https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/pull/116
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #116 Clarify relative references in on `img` tags
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[cleverdevil] Roger, wilco.
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