#dev 2018-11-11

2018-11-11 UTC
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kisik21 any stable parsers for h-entries that are usable in production? aaronpk, I've heard you have one
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aaronpk do you mean a microformats parser? there are parsers in a bunch of languages
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kisik21 umm... I mean microformats -> json via web service
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kisik21 API-like and curlable
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aaronpk there are some listed on https://microformats.io
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kisik21 wanna show reply-contexts without JS, can consume JSON or CSV
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aaronpk e.g. https://php.microformats.io/
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aaronpk if you mean something that is more aware of vocabulary, and deals with finding author info and such, then you can try https://xray.p3k.app
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kisik21 xray++
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Loqi xray has 1 karma over the last year
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kisik21 aaronpk ++
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Loqi aaronpk has 98 karma in this channel over the last year (307 in all channels)
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kisik21 thanks
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[eddie] Well this isn’t good... the Share Sheet just isn’t showing up when I tap it for Indigenous 🤔
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[eddie] Anyone else happen to have Indigenous for iOS installed and notice the Share Sheet won’t activate from various apps (like Safari)
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aaronpk it's working for me still
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[eddie] Hmmm interesting so it’s not a internet issue
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[eddie] It’s weird because my app opens and works
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[eddie] I guess I’ll just reinstall it (because it’s a dev build)
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gRegorLove fixed my h-feed, aaronpk
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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GWG gRegorLove: I'll follow aaronpk's yay
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GWG Too many variants
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GWG No one has explained to me why people don't like h-feed
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gRegorLove I haven't heard people not liking h-feed?
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aaronpk welp gotta fix my flight maps... first flight across the date line and my site drew it the wrong way https://aaronparecki.com/2019/03/12/1/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Portland to Boston, Boston to Tokyo https://aaronparecki.com/2019/03/12/1/map.png
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GWG I really envy that feature
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GWG I couldn't even get a GPS lock on my last flight
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aaronpk that one is just a stylistic line. my actual flight traces don't look very nice
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aaronpk I don't often get a GPS lock unless i'm at a window seat
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GWG I tried going to the galley
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GWG I meant, the whole itinerary feature.
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GWG I'll get there
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gRegorLove I took a stab at https://indieweb.org/authorship#feed_authorship
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aaronpk This is still about finding the author of a post within a feed tho right?
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aaronpk Not about finding the author of a feed?
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aaronpk I think "feed authorship" isn't the right term for that
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aaronpk I think your step 2 is not quite what I do. I was trying to do more like: if there are 2+ h-* items, one of which is not an h-card, and if exactly one of them is an h-card, then the h-card is the author of the rest of them
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gRegorLove No, it's finding the author of the feed
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gRegorLove Aha, I wasn't sure of that looking at the code
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gRegorLove Updated
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aaronpk I haven't cared about finding the author of a feed yet
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aaronpk only about finding the author of items in a feed
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aaronpk different problem, likely requiring a different solution
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gRegorLove I'm confused then
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gRegorLove author of items in a feed is /authorship#How_to_determine
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aaronpk Right and if you look at Adactio's feeds you end up running through all those steps and not finding an author
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aaronpk So there are some missing steps when looking at items within a feed. I think that was written primarily in the context of permalink pages.
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gRegorLove That sounds like a publishing error. His permalinks don't have author properties either
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aaronpk That was my first thought but then I realized there is enough information in his feeds to determine the author
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aaronpk It's working now too! I finally see his picture on all his posts in Monocle
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gRegorLove woo!
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gRegorLove So my h-feed author thing was a separate issue. I think that's what threw me and had me focusing on feed authorship.
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aaronpk Your intent was to describe the author of the feed right?
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@camiels Webmentions: https://journal.camiel.co/uncategorized/webmentions/ https://t.co/UfvIGlM2jr (twitter.com/_/status/1061500137053261824)
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mblaney aaronpk I'm glad that the new authorship algorithm fixes the author issue for adactio.com, makes me want to add it too.
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mblaney just a bit hesitant though, adactio has over 40 h-cards on his home page, so you're relying on ordering to give you the author? makes it a little bit precarious.
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gRegorLove No, at the time I set up that homepage h-card my intent was just to do the u-author=/ thing on my posts. I didn't think about the fact my latest post is wrapped in h-feed on the homepage as well.
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[kevinmarks] Hm, a lot of my permalink pages don't have authorship.
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aaronpk mblaney: if you look at the tree view it's obvious which one is the right h-card. The trick is to use a microformats parser and not just use css selectors to find h-cards
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aaronpk Ohh I just looked at his home page again... i didn't realize all the h-cards in his bedroll are also top level objects
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sknebel Bedroll? :P
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aaronpk yes
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GWG Why can't I find a podcast with a jsonfeed? It shouldn't be that hard.
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aaronpk does any podcast software support jsonfeed right now?
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GWG Clearly it isn't catching on.
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GWG aaronpk: Yes
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aaronpk how about micro monday? https://monday.micro.blog/feed.json
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GWG Nope
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GWG Look at the json
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GWG No attachments
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GWG According to the specification, enclosures in RSS map to attachments in JSONFeed
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GWG But no one is doing it.
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aaronpk if anyone were going to be doing it I would expect micro monday
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GWG NPR claims they do it, but don't link to it.
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GWG I suppose, if I cannot find a good example to test against in 5 minutes, I should not worry too much
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GWG Surprised [eddie] 's JSONFeed doesn't do attachments
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aaronpk https://www.npr.org/feeds/510289/feed.json
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aaronpk I guess I should add support for that to xray too
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GWG I just added it to Parse This, my x-ray like library
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[eddie] GWG, right now I built our JSONFeed to just focus on being perfect for Micro.blog, I do plan on revisiting all the potential properties of it and making sure it supports everything it can
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[eddie] My* JSON Feed not our* haha
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@rubygems webmention-endpoint (2.0.1): Discover a URL’s Webmention endpoint. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1061684612458561536)
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@rubygems webmention-verification (0.1.1): Verify a received webmention. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-verification (twitter.com/_/status/1061691660978012161)
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@rubygems authorization-endpoint (0.1.2): Discover a URL’s authorization endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/authorization-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1061694355126280192)
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@rubygems authorization-endpoint (0.1.3): Discover a URL’s authorization endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/authorization-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1061697788982034434)
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@rubygems token-endpoint (0.1.2): Discover a URL’s token endpoint for use with Micropub and IndieAuth clients. https://rubygems.org/gems/token-endpoint (twitter.com/_/status/1061701228932018181)
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GWG That took entirely too long. https://github.com/Automattic/_s/pull/1296
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Loqi [arnabwahid] #1296 Remove Microformat Classes `.hentry`
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aaronpk whoa
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Zegnat That PR is different from what the title suggested to me: it doesn’t remove the hentry class from the output HTML, but stops them from attaching CSS to it.
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aaronpk Oh. That's a good step but not what I thought as well
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GWG That's why I said it took too long
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Zegnat TIL: actual hentry class isn’t part of the theme at all, but inserted by a WP core function `post_class()`
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Zegnat So I guess _s can’t actually remove that
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aaronpk at least now there is one fewer thing relying on .hentry in wordpress
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@IaninSheffield ↩️ Have now written a lengthier response, which I hope notified you through the webmention ... if I posted it correctly! https://cpdin140.wordpress.com/2018/11/11/pd-and-parkruns/ (twitter.com/_/status/1061715680419028993)
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gRegorLove Is post_class() hookable? Might be possible to remove .hentry that way
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gRegorLove aaronpk, XRay doesn't appear to follow step 7 of authorship. Is that a known limitation?
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aaronpk it should
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GWG It is hook able
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aaronpk only on post permalinks though, not feed pages
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gRegorLove I'm trying it on xray.p3k.io with https://gregorlove.com/h-entry.html
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Loqi Title
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aaronpk there's no microformats on the h-card page so it fails
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aaronpk https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2Fh-entry.html
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gRegorLove derp
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gRegorLove thanks :)
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GWG Re xray. How does x-ray decide how a page with a feed and h-card should be returned?
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aaronpk depends on what you mean by "with a feed"
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aaronpk it does some tricks to figure out whether it thinks the page is a feed or a post permalink
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aaronpk but also it has a mode where you can tell it you're expecting a feed
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GWG The mode is what I need to.implen
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GWG implement
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sknebel from what I remember it ignores h-cards as long as it can (which is why jgmac1106's about page always gets a random comment from it as Loqi's preview)
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GWG I keep enhancing my parser
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mblaney aaronpk maybe we can change step 8 of authorship discovery then? "if the author has not yet been found, it will now be obvious." :-D