#dev 2018-11-28

2018-11-28 UTC
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[tantek] You know how we're all about simple(r) building blocks instead of a big complex stack? here's some good (security) reasons for that methodology: https://twitter.com/fmarier/status/1004067098455302144
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@fmarier Why escalating complexity in both hardware and software is going to keep security people busy for a while: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17bKudNDduvN-7hWv7S84MiHUj2AnOPNbwjTM8euDC8w/mobilepresent#slide=id.p1 (twitter.com/_/status/1004067098455302144)
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Zegnat [kevinmarks]: “This is one view” did you send a screenshot on Slack? Shared anywhere else?
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kisik21 can someone ping fireburn.ru? I'm not at home now and I can't reach it, wondering if something happened with it
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kisik21 oh it's alive now
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Zegnat Slide 24 on that slide deck makes a great point about software engineering
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kisik21 any good ways to make a dropdown menu in <nav> with fallback for no-JS users?
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sknebel oh fun, Content-Encoding: none is a thing too, despite not being in any standard
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swentel !tell [eddie] Your timeline returns a 504 (but maybe you know that already)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat sknebel: who does C-E: none?
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[eddie] !tell swentel Uh oh! That's not good
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[eddie] Thanks
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel homepage is fine though
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swentel so it's something specific there
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sknebel Zegnat: random apps apparently. e.g. Grav
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Zegnat Huh. Link?
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sknebel https://github.com/curl/curl/pull/2298
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Loqi [MoSal] #2298 content_encoding: Skip checking support for "none" encoding
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[eddie] yeah hmmm something happened to some of the saved webmentions on my server
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[eddie] It couldn't find them and was breaking
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[eddie] so multiple issues: 1) a missing webmention file shouldn't break the page
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[eddie] 2) what the heck happened to my webmentions?!?!
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[eddie] lol
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swentel hehe
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Zegnat sknebel, well, that’s weird.
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Zegnat Thankfully I don’t think we have to worry about it for the actual requests
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[eddie] like, how do JSON files just dissapear?!?!
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[eddie] haha
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Zegnat Hmm, sknebel, so if I understand it right, if we tell curl to handle compression for us and it isn’t a new enough version, it may fail to retrieve Grav sites completely? That might be a problem afterall
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sknebel maybe?
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jeremycherfas Grav has unfortunately moved from Slack to Discord, but in any case I don't feel competent to ask anything on behalf of real developers.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: this is probably a question they wont have the answer to either, unless they have tested querying Grav sites using different versions of curl
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jeremycherfas Possibly not, but it might be something they are not even aware of.
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jgmac1106 I have an alt txt bext practice question. I have a student who is working on trying to start a club on campus for blind students. She is doing are photo challenge and put an image description in each photo caption. Would it be best to leave alt="" blank to reduce screen reader repetition?
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Zegnat jgmac1106, I think caption and alt serve different purposes. I like the example used here, where the alt describes the imagery and the figcaption the context: https://dequeuniversity.com/presentations/html5-nfb/figure-figcaption
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Zegnat Though to be fair, asking the blind students might give better answers, which we would then love to see pop up on a blog ;)
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jgmac1106 I asked [arush]
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doubleloop I'm going to be working on this issue on my site tonight: https://github.com/ngm/doubleloop.net/issues/4
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Loqi [ngm] #4 Replies sent via webmention are a mess on the receiving site
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calumryan Tidying up some backend code to store the entire json object versus individual content
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jacky do y'all go about making useful user agents for your sites?
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jacky I'm beginning to consider making one for Koype
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jacky something like "Koype/{version}; (https://faq.koype.net/user-agent)"
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snarfed heh. don't overthink it. that looks great
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jacky :) ty!
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Zegnat I will admit to having used one that just said it was curl <.<
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jacky lol
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jacky I'm debating using it to do some spam prevention for my site
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jacky that and to be friendly to peoples' logs
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Zegnat adds UA to the imaginary list of “this is what to do for proper HTTP request handling”
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snarfed (low priority)
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Zegnat Still thinking about updating the external fetch code in php-mf2. But every time I think I figure something out a new rabid hole opens (compression, encoding, file size limitations……)
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snarfed Always Be Prioritizing
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[jgmac1106] Like folks know I can't migrate until classes are over but decided to start publishing some articles from my domain and shorter articles from the blog....but that means I can't receive webmentions...so I need to build in static site webmentions....and once I do that.....Always Be Prioritizing......we will see
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snarfed alwaysbeprioritizing++
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Loqi alwaysbeprioritizing has 1 karma over the last year
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jacky yeah lol def low priority
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jacky wasn't there a project for a indie app store of sorts?
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jacky what is h-x-app
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Loqi h-x-app is a proposed microformats vocabulary for marking up data about software applications https://indieweb.org/h-x-app
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jacky hmm
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jacky what is store
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Loqi A store (or marketplace) is a service for discovering and then installing applications https://indieweb.org/store
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jacky so I'm doing some questioning with people for koype
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jacky and one thing is since that I'm not going to ship it with a way to "edit" content in itself; 'discovery' is going to be needed
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jacky (discovery in itself is a whole different convo)
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snarfed jacky: can you elaborate? i don't really follow the problem or question
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jacky I think I'm rambling a bit lol
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jacky but like let's say you set up an account on micro.blog
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jacky you can post from your own site using wordpress or something
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jacky but the project I'm working on doesn't have an editor component like that
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jacky and it's not really explicit about _where_ to go
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jacky I might just point it to Quill for now
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snarfed got it. figuring out product design direction. ok.
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jacky right
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jacky I don't wanna 'overload' it but I want the road to use to be easy
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snarfed starting with quill sounds fine