#dev 2018-12-07

2018-12-07 UTC
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Zegnat sknebel, I wonder if riding on the conneg section of the WebSub spec is OK. When the feed is fetched with AutoAuth it could put a capability URL in the rel=self moving the bearer token from the headers into the URL.
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Zegnat The only problem is that you will then be leaking the token to the websub hub. Potentially meaning for privacy sake you will need to host your own hub if you are offering private feeds
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kisik21 Ported over ALL content. Now the only thing I need to do to have feature parity with the static version of my site is webmention support...
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kisik21 yay
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Loqi 😊
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aleksip swentel: added $settings['reverse_proxy'] = TRUE; and $settings['reverse_proxy_addresses'] = array($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']); to settings.php and now og:url shows as https!
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swentel aleksip, aha!
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swentel let's try and reparse my webmention then
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swentel it will probably work now (fingers crossed of course)
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swentel so if you edit my webmention: type => webmention, target => https://www.aleksip.net/trying-out-the-indieweb-module, published status to 0
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swentel source is probably https://realize.be/comment/indieweb/4365, that's fine
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Loqi [swentel] No problem, thanks for testing it out! :)
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aleksip what do i put in 'property'? it is now 'no_link_found'
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swentel oh that's ok
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swentel that will be replaced
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swentel I think
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swentel let me quickly check
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swentel no, it's fine
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aleksip ok!
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aleksip did not help, unfortunately... type changes to 'link_not_found'
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swentel hmm
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swentel we got it working at least once right
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aleksip yes, although a comment was never created
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aleksip but the type changed correctly and the webmention was published
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swentel the different at that point was that the protocal was non https, I remember at least that
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swentel protocol (damn it)
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swentel you know what, I'll send another one
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aleksip ok, thanks, let's try that
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swentel ok, should be there
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aleksip yes it worked! :)
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swentel aha
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swentel comment as well ?
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aleksip yes! although looks like i will have to configure how it is displayed properly
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swentel ah, so in manage display of the comment
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swentel you can set the webmention field
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aleksip https://www.aleksip.net/trying-out-the-indieweb-module
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swentel and use the 'Webmention formatter'
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aleksip a nice avatar and everything! great!
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aleksip thanks so much for all the help!
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swentel no problem
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swentel hmm I don't see the avatar yet, but that's probably cache :)
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swentel or my comment for that matter
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aleksip ah probably some permissions issue
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swentel aaah yes
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swentel 'view webmentions'
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swentel for the anonymous user
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aleksip yes, that was it!
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swentel (I really need to get that kickstart module done)
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swentel yay
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swentel great! :)
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aleksip :)
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Loqi 😃
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swentel wonder why the reprocess didn't catch it, but oh well
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aleksip hope to find some time to get everything else like twitter integration working soon
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swentel I think this is the first drupal to drupal webmention, so it's historical :)
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aleksip nice! :)
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aleksip would love to see this in core some day configured as much as possible to just work out of the box. would be great for indieweb.
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swentel that might take a while to get in core hehe
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swentel although you never know of course
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swentel I know Dries is excited by it
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swentel and is going to install it
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swentel so who knows
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swentel maybe little parts
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aleksip it is good to have dreams! :) and really great that dries is excited about it.
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning
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aleksip swentel, maybe the reprocess failed because of the 'link_not_found' in 'property'? it was something else in when it worked.
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swentel aleksip, hmm, normally not, but wrote it down to test it none the less
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aleksip ok. i still need to learn how all this indieweb magic works! :D
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aleksip swentel, just checking if it is ok to drop the webmention_entity table since you mentioned it is not used any more? any other beta tables that can be dropped?
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swentel aleksip, oh yeah that can be dropped
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swentel I think that's it
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aleksip ok, thanks!
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GWG swentel, what is next for you?
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swentel GWG, exif / original image
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swentel been looking at it for 2 days now
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swentel daunting stuff :/
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GWG swentel, sorry to contribute to that
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GWG I noticed it when trying to improve my exif usage
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swentel heh, no worries
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swentel I'm slowly leaning to 'send original' image if you want to have the exif data
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GWG I still don't know how to map exif properties to mf2
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GWG swentel, I think I could live with that. I want to store the original. My site can generate alternate sizes
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swentel there are so many exif properties per device that it's a mess to get them nicely
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swentel yes, drupal does that too
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swentel just need to make sure then that I don't run out of memory
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GWG I am not an Android developer, but I am surprised there isn't a library for that built in
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GWG I always assume someone has already solved my problem
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GWG Usually aaronpk
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GWG But I have some new Micropub stuff I want to add.
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GWG swentel, the q property that Eddie and I were discussing, would you support that and we could try a 3 way update again at some point?
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swentel GWG, there's a library for that yes, will look again over the weekend
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GWG Where all three of us support a feature at roughly the same time
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swentel GWG, eeuh, q which returns the supported values right ?
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GWG swentel, correct
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swentel yes, that still makes sense to me
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swentel don't think I'll be able to get that in before the end of the year on the drupal side though
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GWG swentel, no time frame. Just I like when a feature shows up with 2 clients and multiple endpoints supporting it. That's a great way to iterate
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swentel that's true
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swentel how often does [eddie] publish a new iOS release ?
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GWG Not sure, iOS is hard because of review requirements I think
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GWG But I will keep moving along
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swentel yeah, that can be annoying sometimes
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swentel !tell snarfed I think the fed bridgy webmention endpoint is down (gives me 500)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG swentel, I just get excited. After 4 years, all the pieces for me are coming together
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GWG I don't have enough time to do all I want either
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GWG Although I do get the 25th, 26th, the 1st and an Eve of my choice off
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swentel I have holidays from the 15th or so
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swentel but I want to touch my computer as less as possible during those days
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swentel original image is the last thing I'd like to get right
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swentel this year
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swentel and some /tiny/ fixes in the drupal part
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swentel but yeah, it's pretty nice right now, I like my setup too
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swentel also, next release of indigenous will have the the debugging options, that's soooo handy
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swentel you can look at the response of channels, full timeline and single timeline item
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aleksip how does one leave the channel from the web interface? couldn't find a way. maybe an operator could kick aleksip1 out of here? :)
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sknebel I thought it'd time out if you close the tab, it doesn't?
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aleksip ah, looks like it just did! :D
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[jgmac1106] Any women or non binary folk near the NYC area (or have ability to uproot) https://www.recurse.com/blog/145-fellowships-for-women-working-on-open-source-programming-projects-research-and-art
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aleksip swentel, looks like the new webmention notification email is completely empty
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swentel oh
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swentel no title, no body ?
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aleksip no
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swentel hmm crap
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swentel I don't use it anymore, I send a notification to my microsub channel
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swentel ironically I do have a test for the mail notification
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swentel but I don't check the title or body
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aleksip :)
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swentel or that a mail was send hehe
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swentel s/or/only
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aleksip well it is a nice-to-have feature that could be implemented outside of the indieweb module i guess...
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swentel aleksip, oh yes, that could be a rule or so
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swentel or custom
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swentel opened an issue for it
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aleksip i was pleasantly surprised to see that module offered this feature, but then again i'd like to have notifications for regular comments as well, so then i would need two solutions
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swentel yeah, I have a custom hook for the regular comments on my site
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swentel URGH
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swentel I see the problem
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swentel easy fix (pfew)
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aleksip great!
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swentel alright, committed and pushed
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swentel thanks for reporting!
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snarfed swentel: re that bridgy fed 500, the request seemed to have a corrupt mime/multipart body
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Loqi snarfed: swentel left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: I think the fed bridgy webmention endpoint is down (gives me 500)
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snarfed or at least, that's why it died
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snarfed did you send it a different way than usual?
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat tumblr>json>mf2 cite [cleverdevil] work....Micropub as Migration tool be so cool
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[jgmac1106] check to see how well post type disvocery works with exported tumblr material
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snarfed (other incoming webmentions are working fine)
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[jgmac1106] for tags I think they have rel=tags or a p-category or inserting those wouldn't be too bad
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[jgmac1106] actually I will try to respons but feel free to correct my errors...have crazy day at office first....who schedules all day meetings the first friday after classes end....grrrrr
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swentel snarfed, oh, mm interesting
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swentel I tried with a rest client (browser app) as I've send it twice already as I normal do
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swentel will try again
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swentel hmm nothing again, weird and I didn't really change anything
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snarfed you sent another wm to bridgy fed? i don't see it
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swentel yeah, I got false back from the php webmention client
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swentel not sure why that is failing suddenly
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swentel let me try again with a rest client
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swentel (however brid.gy worked fine though for the same url)
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swentel hmm got through now, at least on fed, but not on mastodon
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swentel weird :)
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swentel oh, it is there
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swentel djee, async stuff is crap
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snarfed lol
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snarfed so grantcodes[m] you like wordpress 5?
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sknebel snarfed: what does bridgy need for backfeed from github? link in the github issue to post on my site and a u-syndication on the post? or do I need to create the issue using bridgy publish?
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kisik21 IT WORKS
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kisik21 https://fireburn.ru/
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Loqi Vika
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kisik21 oh wait
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kisik21 oh, I didn't set all endpoints correctly
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kisik21 Sorry to the people who were on my site now, I've restarted it
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sknebel kisik21: the "reply with URL" form gives me a "method not allowed" error
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kisik21 reload the page... and better clear the cache... I had a simple mistake in my config
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kisik21 the thing should point onto webmention.io, but was pointing at the incorrectly-set URL of non-existing endpoint on my server
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sknebel yes, that was what I was seeing
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sknebel that your new dynamic site now?
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kisik21 I'm just looking at the logs and trying to count how many of you people are trying to get on my site now
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kisik21 sknebel: um, yeah
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sknebel kisik21++ nice!
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Loqi kisik21 has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (15 in all channels)
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kisik21 it still has JS comments
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kisik21 I plan on getting rid of it
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kisik21 when I migrate to my own webmention endpoint
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kisik21 by the way, sknebel, do you use an iPhone, a Mac or a Windows 10 PC?
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sknebel the latter right now
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kisik21 ok
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kisik21 then who was using an iPhone and a Mac?
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sknebel I used telegraph to send the webmention when the form didn't work, that might pretend to be a Mac
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kisik21 reading server logs is fun
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kisik21 Ok my micropub endpoint is broken
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kisik21 because my token checker is broken
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kisik21 It's literally my first serious foray into Flask
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kisik21 and it's broken
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aaronpk it's okay, all code is broken in some way
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snarfed1 everythingisbroken++
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Loqi everythingisbroken has 1 karma over the last year
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kisik21 it's just so much of a shame that the Micropub endpoint was the FIRST THING there, and now it's broken for some reason... and the part that is broken is the part that didn't change
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kisik21 the token validation
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kisik21 sorry, I'll be debugging in production... expect massive server instabilities and temporary downtime
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snarfed kisik21: while you're fixing bugs, just fyi your latest post's permalink has a bad url, maybe your dev host?
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kisik21 yep
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kisik21 that's an easy fix, I just need to change the json file...
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kisik21 ugh I'm so ashamed ><
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kisik21 it was just a missing import!
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[eddie] happens to all of us 🙂
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sknebel indeed... if you know where to click you can find the odd stack trace or two on my site too :D
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snarfed kisik21: you may be interested in unit tests!
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kisik21 snarfed: I know
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kisik21 unit tests are a thing that I need to make
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snarfed testing++
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Loqi testing has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (15 in all channels)
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snarfed unittests++
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Loqi unittests has 1 karma over the last year
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Zegnat wonders how much of testing’s karma comes from snarfed ;)
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snarfed NEED MOAR
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Zegnat You’ll be happy to know we got a full suite of automated tests on the innertext code sknebel and I were testing in Nürnberg ;)
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sknebel oh right, we should do something with that ...
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snarfed Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 59 karma in this channel over the last year (167 in all channels)
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Zegnat sknebel, yeah, should probably put it into the mf2 parsers behind a flag for testing or something
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sknebel and/or mention it in the relevant issues if we haven't already
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Zegnat I honestly don’t remember where we did and didn’t mention it. I just remember finishing the code and then being happy to move on to something else
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kisik21 sknebel: did you receive a webmention?
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sknebel I did not get a notification, let me check the log
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kisik21 Oh wait
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kisik21 no
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kisik21 you shouldn't have a webmention
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kisik21 Another bug has crawled
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kisik21 sknebel: ping! check your notifications, a wild webmention should appear
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sknebel got it
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Zegnat Send all of the mentions!
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kisik21 sknebel: yay
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Zegnat Here is a challenge, send a webmention to https://licit.li/
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Zegnat Oh. No. Don’t. I think that fails currently
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kisik21 lol why
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Zegnat checks the webmention spec
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Zegnat I don’t think webmentions are supposed to follow redirects. And I just spotted I use http:// on the webmention endpoint URL there
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kisik21 I use telegraph.p3k.io for webmentions currently. aaronpk, does it follow redirects on endpoints?
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Zegnat Oh, you didn’t write your own sender? That’ll definitely fail then
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snarfed ok aaronpk, i've deployed the fix for https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/158
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Loqi [snarfed] #158 use silo URL as first author URL, not web site(s) in profile
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kisik21 snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 69 karma in this channel over the last year (114 in all channels)
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Zegnat Alright, fixed my endpoint URLs :D
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kisik21 who went to www.fireburn.ru?
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kisik21 there is no such site
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kisik21 only fireburn.r
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kisik21 s/r$/ru/
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kisik21 Zegnat: it didn't recognize the @mention... debugging
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Zegnat Trying to mention licit.li? If you are using telegraph, that’s not going to fly :P
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Zegnat But have fun debugging, it is an interesting exercise!
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kisik21 Zegnat: mf2py pulls rel= urls, means I could make my own telegraph
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kisik21 and I mean "my Micropub endpoint didn't recognize the syntax for mentioning a person"
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sknebel Zegnat: you need entirely uncommon tools in Python to get it, so mf2py won't fly either
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Zegnat Ah, good to know it isn’t just PHP that hasn’t caught on :P
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sknebel in PHP it's just new enough + flags, right?
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sknebel in Python you need entirely different libraries as far as I know
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Zegnat Theoretically. Though I think the problem on aaronpk’s server was that the version of curl linked into PHP was still too old, and he needed to recompile PHP with a more recent version or something. At which point that was abandoned.
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sknebel well, as long as your TLS is still wrong I maintain its *obviously* your fault :D
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kisik21 Zegnat: I get "connection aborted" errors from Python but can access your site from the browser
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Zegnat I maintain that is an nginx bug, sknebel :P
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sknebel your server, your responsiblity to fix it
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sknebel I even offered to help you patch nginx!
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Zegnat I am not even going to touch that with a long pole, haha
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Zegnat I like to stick to my scripting languages, thank-you-very-much
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Zegnat Just need to find different server software, I guess
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kisik21 Zegnat: what's up with your server, I can't curl your homepage
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kisik21 it drops the connection
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Zegnat kisik21, it is magic
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kisik21 I don't need magic! I need our software to interoperate!
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Zegnat The less magical explanation is: browsers do HTTP/2 so I do HTTP/2. Your curl probably isn’t setup to do HTTP/2 if it is failing
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kisik21 are you http/2 only?
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Zegnat Yes
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kisik21 oops
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kisik21 yep, my tools don't do http/2
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kisik21 why did you decide to drop http/1.1?
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Zegnat Fun
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Zegnat Also, it was late
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Zegnat Also, wondered if it could be done
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Zegnat I think that covers the main reasons, right sknebel? XD
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sknebel I think so, yes :D
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kisik21 Well... now I need to recompile ALL of my software on a weakling Raspberry Pi 2. Are you satisfied?
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kisik21 another good reason to switch OS on my server btw
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Zegnat So far I haven’t had a human visitors complain. All modern browsers seem to auto upgrade when h2 when it is advertised in the ALPN. So really, I am only messing with automated tooling.
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Zegnat (Wow, the English grammar there was bad. But you get my drift.)
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kisik21 also you're messing with me :3
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Zegnat I wonder if https://h2o.examp1e.net/ might do the right ALPN thing
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sknebel I seem to remember we found that Caddy did?
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Zegnat sknebel, ever seen that server?
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Zegnat Yeah. But I am not sure I like the whole licensing deal around Caddy
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sknebel I don't think I've seen that one before, no
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sknebel HAProxy also is flexible in configuring ALPN
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Zegnat But that would have to sit infront of nginx right? Or can it replace it? I’d rather not add too many separate things to the stack
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gRegorLove Haha, the http/2 thing can almost be an FAQ section on your user page, Zegnat
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kisik21 please remind me - what's a rel for the old webmention spec?
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sknebel Zegnat: it can't replace nginx, no.
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Zegnat kisik21, I think it used to be rel="http://webmention.org/". If that’s what you meant
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Zegnat gRegorLove, I just love the confusion people have when they curl and use their browser and they realise those two things work completely differently
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gRegorLove :)
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aaronpk such a troublemaker
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Zegnat Which is something I also constantly forget. E.g. see the recent issue about compressed resources. Browsers have no problem with it, curl slightly less so
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kisik21 Zegnat: oh, I still remember those times when what you curl is what you browse... when HTTP was still version 1.1
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kisik21 or even 1.0, I'm not sure
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kisik21 heck, I even had an ADSL modem a long time ago
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Zegnat Ah, yes, how times have changed. Back then I had to pay by the minute, now I pay by the byte
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kisik21 and I have unlimited data on my phone. The only caveat is that I should pay 50 rubles ($1 ~ 65 rubles) if I connect other devices to it via the hotspot (probably I could change TTL to evade this)
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kisik21 50 rubles a day, I mean
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kisik21 but that's more for #chat...
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kisik21 Who else other than Zegnat can challenge me to mention them?
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kisik21 Zegnat: no offense, I'd like to beat that challenge but it would require me several days of non-stop compiling
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gRegorLove kisik21, webmention you mean? you can send me one, gregorlove.com
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[jgmac1106] Webmention everyone... Actually I do not know what happens to generic webmentions on Known... Send one to https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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kisik21 gRegorLove: huh, I seem to have made a silly assumption that the h-card is always on the main page
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kisik21 wait no it is there
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gRegorLove I do have an h-card there, however it's an odd one since it's inside the h-feed (kind of accidentally)
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gRegorLove It should be found via the representative h-card algorithm though.
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kisik21 that's a nice challenge for my hcardify(url) function!
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kisik21 > if a page contains an h-card with a url property value which also has a rel=me relation
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kisik21 can someone clarify?
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kisik21 do I need to recursively parse the page for an element containing a rel=me link which appears to be an h-card?
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gRegorLove The mf2 parser returns a list of rels. If you go through each h-card in order, the first one you find that has a u-url matching a rel=me is the rep. h-card
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kisik21 yeah
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gRegorLove No recursive parsing
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kisik21 but seems like I need to do that recursively for all items
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gRegorLove rels are page-scoped
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kisik21 rels are page-scoped
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kisik21 but h-cards need to be searched for recursively
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gRegorLove So it doesn't need to appear within the HTML of the h-card
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gRegorLove Ah, I think I understand. I guess so, depending which parser / helper libs you're using.
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kisik21 mf2py
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gRegorLove The one I use for PHP can give me all the h-cards in a page, so I can just iterate through them.
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gRegorLove (The helper lib does that, that is.
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kisik21 because it searches recursively
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gRegorLove )
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gRegorLove This should work https://github.com/microformats/mf2py##Filter+by
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Loqi [microformats] mf2py: Microformats2 parser written in Python
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kisik21 THIS WAS IN THE LIBRARY??!?!!!!!
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kisik21 I feel dumber than ever...
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kisik21 gRegorLove: by the way that doesn't work
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gRegorLove The filter doesn't return the h-card?
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gRegorLove That documentation is about the extent of my knowledge with mf2py, heh.
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gRegorLove sknebel or KartikPrabhu can probably help more, though
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gRegorLove Don't feel dumb! :)
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KartikPrabhu the filter_by_type functions only filters top-level items
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KartikPrabhu that could be fixed I suppose feel free to file issue or send a PR https://github.com/microformats/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/parser.py#L478
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kisik21 gRegorLove: I got two h-cards by recursive parsing. Now I only need to apply the algorithm to it...
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KartikPrabhu one reason to avoid this would be that the nesting of a h-card is important
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KartikPrabhu you don't want a nested h-card in a h-cite (for instance) to be mistaken for a top-level h-card
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kisik21 representative h-card algo helps with that
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gRegorLove True, might be better for a helper lib, like it is in php-mf-cleaner. Not part of the parsing spec.
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kisik21 I think I'll have this lib soon
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KartikPrabhu there is also mf2util which is a helper lib for mf2py
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KartikPrabhu https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util
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Loqi [kylewm] mf2util: Utilities for interpreting microformats2 data
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