#dev 2018-12-24
2018-12-24 UTC
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[relapse] I _think_ I've got h-feed and h-article working on my site at https://vonexplaino.com/blog/ I have thoughts about h-feed, it's a lot of extra stuff to process / download compared to a separate, dedicated feed.
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[tantek] janboddez++ for https://janboddez.tech/about especially "The front end is fully responsive and uses zero JavaScript and very little, hand-crafted CSS."
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Zegnat [relapse], definitely blog your thoughts on h-feed! You aren't the first to bring up "extra stuff to [...] download" either, e.g. talking pure size see https://cweiske.de/tagebuch/atom-vs-hfeed-size.htm
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# [relapse] Thanks for the link, @Zegnat. Will read and parse my thoughts.
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petermolnar what is Artstation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Artstation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Artstation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# petermolnar what is artstation?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "artstation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "artstation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# petermolnar Artstation is a creative content creator silo
# petermolnar artstation is [Artstation]
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# [relapse] Blogged my initial h-feed thoughts: https://vonexplaino.com/blog/posts/article/microformats-tinkering.html
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[kevinmarks] Can I ask nicely for you to increase your font weight? I'd like to read it…
# petermolnar [tantek]: yes, portfolio/artwork certainly worth artstation POSSE/PESOS
# petermolnar though POSSE may not be possible, I haven't found any real APIs yet
# [relapse] Erk, bleh. Will fix [kevinmarks]
# [kevinmarks] It can partly be an android vs iOS thing, but very low font-weight looks extra spindly on a very high dpi screen.
# [relapse] Updated.
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# [relapse] [sknebel] With the third point, you've got "in-reply-to" as attributes, but how about _how_ to engage/ reply immediately?
# [relapse] [sknebel] OK, I didn't see anything in the h-feed spec about adding a tag for the reader to pick up on wrt next/ previous links. Does that need to be called out, or is it assumed as part of HTML?
# [relapse] Morning.
# [relapse] It'd be a nice call out to show that h-feed has pagination, which RSS/ ATOM do not (to my knowledge). Much better than all-or-only-subset.
# [relapse] Twitter/ tumblr/ facebook have the ability to reply/interact-in-feed. Is that covered in the h-feed spec? Or does it just show what posts are in reply to if they're in a chain?
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] is there a tool for unmung the converts mf2 into an xml feed....I worry if I have to manually update my RSS feed I will fall behind
# [jgmac1106] ..I can't go no rss feed yet too many follow me
# [jgmac1106] @collin moris nice job on the post. Do you think may people want to consume an enitre feed or just looking for recent updates
# [jgmac1106] What is granary?
# Loqi granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network snowflake API and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, JSON Feed, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
# [jgmac1106] What does the word snowflake mean there?
# [jgmac1106] that is perfect
# [jgmac1106] @collin Morris another thing I do is put my three most recent articles on a feed on my homepage and have an article page with the entire feed
# [relapse] OK, so logic. I subscribe to all of you via your h-feeds. I'm reading your feed. I like Sknebel's current article. I reply in the form of a post on my site, which sends a webmention notification to your site's article's endpoint that adds the fact I replied and a link to the reply?
# [relapse] My post has an in-reply-to that contains your article's uid. So if we wanted a social-media-feed style, it would need to pull in in-reply-tos as individiual articles as it goes.
# [relapse] ?
# [relapse] [jgmac1106] By entire feed, you mean to the dawn of blog?
# [jgmac1106] ...welll that was a week ago so that is easy. I thinK I gave up on migrating wordpress blog, throwing it on a subdomain and adding a redirect program going to be easier
# [relapse] heh
# [jgmac1106] Granary work. For me Collin I didn't mea to make a working blog, I was making a few statinc pages to compliment my Known site after I got fed up with WordPress....but I added an h-feed and the blog worked
# [relapse] OK cool.
# [jgmac1106] interesting idea on pagination of your feed
# [relapse] Yeah, sorry didn't reply. I think especially with feed updates, if it sends a batch and if the reader needs to pull in more it pulls the next page, rather than sending to-the-dawn-of-time every refresh it would reduce bandwidth costs.
# [relapse] Also means you don't need to regenerate as much every time if it's database driven, which means less local processing costs and possibly time.
# [jgmac1106] if you have as static..or less dynamic homepage you may consider embedding an h-feed with a few hits
# [relapse] If I'm going to build a specific page with a feed of all my posts for syndication, I might as well build an RSS/ Atom feed I think. AS in a human isn't going to interact with that long-as-heck page; they'll opt for / be directed to the home page w' pagination.
# [jgmac1106] I am going to have both but I am also fooling with collections of posts...didn't set them up as h-feeds though just child h-entries: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/ptbinder.html
# [jgmac1106] (caveat there isn't agreement on best way to mark up collections
# [relapse] OK. Good to know.
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# [jgmac1106] but here is my workflow I made an article card with an h-entry...I cut and past the three newest to homepage and cut and paste to my article page
# [jgmac1106] one day somebody will make the mf2.>json>micropub>mf2 correctly dated html post client....micropub as migration service....looking at you @cleverdevil...seems you have done it six ways already...until then I am just archiving everything
# [jgmac1106] This summer I will do second phase of migration which means bringing everything home to my site
# [relapse] Nice.
# [jgmac1106] ....need to learn a ton before that can happen...may try Perch CMS...people tell me I have made most of the tempaltes already
# [relapse] Perch looks nice and clean.
# [relapse] Updated the article, thanks for the clarifications.
# [jgmac1106] Colin Morris++
# [relapse] ty
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# [relapse] How's that?
# [relapse] (who knew, leading '.' is no longer the ultimate in hiding)
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# [kevinmarks] you can do rel="next" and "previous" in Atom feeds too https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5005#section-3
# [kevinmarks] a full-content h-feed may be nicer; depends on your post size
# [relapse] Ah, neat. Didn't know that, thanks.
# [relapse] And yes, the full-content vs. synopsis would be a choice that best fits the blog/ site in question.
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# [jgmac1106] and I published a listen plugin for Known...just the read plugin left and my #newwwyear challenge is done!
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# [jgmac1106] okay the redirect approach I took didn't work, which makes sense..
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# [relapse] That’s... very odd
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# [tantek] I noted this in #microformats, but also noting here too - if a few more mf2 parser implementors could express an opinion (thumb up / down) on the issue 44 proposal, we can likely move that forward as well: https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/44#issuecomment-439698538 (since it's already implemented in one parser mf2py) - GWG - this is the one you wanted so you could reference different h-feed elements on a page with fra
# Loqi [sknebel] ## spec change proposal
Extend http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_a_document_for_microformats with the new last bullet point:
> * else if found, start parsing a new microformat
> * keep track of whether the root class nam...
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