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GWG If you have multiple photo properties on a post, according to post type discovery, is it still a photo post?
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[tantek] GWG we may want to consider “multiphoto” as a distinct post type if there are enough consumers that do something differently enough (judgment call) than a plain single photo post
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[tantek] Feel free to file an issue for it on the PTD repo
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GWG I am considering it for my use case
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GWG I have prior art
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[tantek] Prior art for consuming or publishing?
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GWG Publishing
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GWG Post formats in WordPress have an image and gallery format
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GWG I think Tumblr uses the term photoset
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[asuh] WordPress says image post format is a single image https://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Formats#Supported_Formats
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GWG I like the name photoset
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aaronpk What has the Wordpress micropub plugin been doing with multi photo posts then?
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GWG aaronpk, the Micropub plugin, without Post Kinds will display it using the WordPress gallery. With Post Kinds, it isn't handling it well and on my list to figure out
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KartikPrabhu what is album?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 20 hours, 49 minutes ago: re how to do automated syndication, it's true, bridgy publish abuses webmentions. the "right" way to do it (now) is micropub syndication targets: https://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 20 hours, 48 minutes ago: bridgy publish doesn't use that (yet) because it didn't exist when bridgy publish was created. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/796
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Loqi An album is another name for a collection of photos or songs https://indieweb.org/album
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KartikPrabhu GWG: ^ there already is a name
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GWG I like album as well
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GWG Then what is multi-photo?
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KartikPrabhu what is multi-photo
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Loqi A multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout https://indieweb.org/multi-photo
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GWG I need to clarify this in my mind
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[tantek] Can you document your prior art in /multiphoto IndieWeb examples with screenshot so we can see what lols interesting about it?
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[tantek] *what’s not lols 😂
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GWG Interesting?
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[tantek] About your prior art
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GWG Well, I'm not sure if it is interesting...so much as evidence this is an issue for others in past.
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@t hosting Homebrew Website Club #SF @MozSF tonight! One year ago today: #IndieWeb building blocks published @W3C: * #IndieAuth #W3C Note: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/NOTE-indieauth-20180123/ * #WebSub W3C Recommendation! https://twitter.com/t/status/956354767596539904 (formerly @pubsubhubbub #pubsubhubbub) http://tantek.com/t4ye1 (twitter.com/_/status/1088261940496031744)
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@aaronpk It's already been a year since #IndieAuth was published as a @W3C Note! Support from new services and some new plugins as well! https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/23/22/indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/1088269523864567808)
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[tantek] !rt https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/1088269523864567808
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/1088269523864567808
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and [tantek]! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1088270697648902144
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@Dries IndieAuth: One Year Later https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/23/22/indieauth /cc @aaronparecki #drupal https://t.co/rVjyV38Ew3 (twitter.com/_/status/1088423178903474176)
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GWG swentel, I am getting things out of Yarns into Indigenous
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swentel awesome :)
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GWG Not sure if it looks the way you intended though
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swentel how so ?
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GWG Well, there is a mystery Avatar next to everything
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GWG Where does Indigenous look for the author icon? On the feed, each individual entry, or both?
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swentel individual entry
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swentel to be fair, I see a lot of mystery avatars too
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swentel especially on RSS feeds
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GWG swentel, question is would it make sense to check the feed as well?
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swentel should probably start ignoring that, but I'm bad with UI's ;)
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GWG Me too
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GWG That's why I wrote the parsing code not the UI
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swentel GWG, checking the feed, like, doing a request to the feed and get the author ?
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GWG swentel, let me look at the Microsub spec
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swentel that would seem overhead anyway, as multiple feeds can be in one channel
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swentel and there's no feed info per item in the timeline
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swentel or on the channel
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GWG I see that
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GWG Wonder if it is easier to have the endpoint add the author from the feed to each entry.
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GWG I am going to make a note of that
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GWG swentel, Yarns is still a beta product, so it is hard to figure out what it is supposed to do
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GWG I should catch up with jackjamieson
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swentel ah right
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swentel like that
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Loqi I agree
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swentel well, I modelled heavily after aperture of course
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swentel xray does all the heavy lifting when parsing the feed
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swentel so every item has all info it needs
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GWG I should look at multiple microsub readers to see how they interpret the output
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swentel the endpoint just sends that item, that's it
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GWG swentel, in Yarns, it is Parse This doing the heavy lifting
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GWG It's like xray, only not
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GWG I do a lot of things aaronpk doesn't and vice versa
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GWG I include an OGP parser, for example. I am not sure xray does
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swentel OGP?
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GWG OpenGraph
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swentel ah
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swentel I think it does
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swentel quickly checks
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GWG Xray is more full featured
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GWG But I dig into and extract every bit of data I can... probably too much
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swentie woops
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GWG I need to look at how much processing I am doing and see if I can optimize it as again... probably extracting more than anyone is consuming
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GWG I extract geo coordinates from RSS feeds
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GWG Pulling things out because I can even if not using them yet is how you become Facebook
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GWG I need to either start using them or stop spending the time.
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Zegnat I don’t believe XRay does OGP, for what its worth.
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Zegnat If you are interested in parsing all you can, have a look at jkphl’s micrometa, which will include even JSON-LD/Schema/...
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Zegnat What is micrometa?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "micrometa" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "micrometa is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat micrometa is a meta data parser by {{jkphl}} capable of extracting [[microformats]], HTML Microdata (like [[Schema]]) and [[JSON-LD]] from HTML. https://micrometa.jkphl.is/
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat micrometa << [https://github.com/jkphl/micrometa Source on GitHub]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/jkphl/micrometa Source on GitHub]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /micrometa https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55879&oldid=55878
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Loqi [jkphl] micrometa: A meta parser for extracting micro information out of HTML documents, currently supporting Microformats 1+2, HTML Microdata and JSON-LD, written in PHP
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jgmac1106 Kind of enjoying an embedded chat rather than one more Slack channel and my students complain about one more tool. How close to this could we get with websub: http://edu407.jgregorymcverry.com/chatroom.html I think good enough well need to figure DM, should I look to ActivityPub…no think less tools better shared embedded websub chat within a webring…that’s what it is..get on that schmarty
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Loqi Course Title
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snarfed still isn't websub or webmention are the best plumbing fits for chat
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snarfed aaronpk had embedded chat on his site for a while
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aaronpk Backed by IRC :-)
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aaronpk I turned it off cause I was getting too many random OAuth tech support chat
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[tantek] Heh. Sounds like a good opportunity to put in a coin-op to enable chat ;)
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aaronpk lol
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sknebel If I remember right, deathrow1 brainstormed that at a HWC once: have his site linked to the calendar, and a button with changing price for "interrupt joel NOW"
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GWG tantek, you can buy a coin door online
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donpdonp evanpro did something along those lines, even created an evanpro coin to support it.
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