#dev 2019-02-09

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[tantek] uh, what happens when people try to use Twitter to rel=me verify their Mastodon: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=Mastodon%20rel%3Dme&src=typd
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[tantek] seriously unintended consequences 😂
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/plarroy/status/1072808500701655040
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@plarroy Let's connect in Mastodon <a rel="me" href="https://mastodon.technology/@larroy">Mastodon</a> (twitter.com/_/status/1072808500701655040)
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aaronpk wat
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[tantek] not sure how to document that
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[kevinmarks] twitter does have rel=me on the profile page still
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aaronpk That sounds unrelated
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jacky I think that tweet was posted by a cross-poster
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jacky there's a few "bridge" services that'd dual post from one place to another
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[kevinmarks] twitters intent pages have an hcard but its a bit odd
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=t
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jacky I haven't seen that page in ever
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fintent%2Fuser%3Fscreen_name%3Dt&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks] very odd use of adr
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[tantek] kevinmarks it's why I rel=me link to it
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[tantek] instead of my profile
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[kevinmarks] that it what the intent pages are supposed to be for
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jacky made this for my "follow" page
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/2K09X9x.png
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jacky should be live in about 3 - 5 minutes
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jacky actually, I can just post that from my site lol
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jacky et voila https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/d0340490-09e7-480a-9c45-7f0567e0682a
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Loqi [Jacky Alcine] Added a page to make following me on my site a bit more guided. There’s also passive support on the client side of rel=subscribe for Koype to others. I definitely want to flesh out that experience a bit more; automating the act of following helps o... https://v2.jacky.wtf/media/image/entry%24d0340490-09e7-480a-9c45-7f0567e0682a/Screenshot_20190208_165256.png?v=original
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jacky goes to remove "and others"
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jacky yeah, I like this page a lot - it'd help to flesh out the provider bit of rel=subscribe
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/follow is the live page
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Loqi Jacky Alcine
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jacky hmm
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jacky how come it doesn't use my page title?
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jacky maybe of the h-card at the bottom?
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[tantek] it's likely using the "name" property from the first h-* object
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jacky ahh okay
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jacky hm I should just make the intro text a h-entry thing tbh
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jacky couldn't hurt
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[tantek] you can totally make the page its own h-entry
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gRegorLove I think Loqi uses xray, so you can test with xray.p3k.io too
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[jgmac1106] Thinking I need to make a follow page. How many people would know I publish links to some feeds in my h-card and then an entire set of different feeds in the footer of my blog
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jacky going to spend tonight perfecting the layout for checkins
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jacky agh nope if i do this, I'll want to create venue pages
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[tantek] yes!
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jacky lol like it'd make sense since I'd want to have fully formed geo info about the places I go to
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[schmarty] Uuurrrgh I think I broke Shortcuts somehow. I can no longer seem to share photos into it via the share sheet from the Photos app. I select them and send to shortcuts, and I can choose my shortcut, but when it runs the shortcut just receives a null input. 😭
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jacky ahh looks like ownyourswarm does the `syndicate-to` without the `mp` bits
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jacky eh I'll ignore it for now
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aaronpk It does?
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/VBFBW8h.png is what I see back as part of the resposne
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jacky *response
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jacky (I store the original request in each post for "re-parsing" purposes)
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aaronpk wow, my mistake
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jacky nah no biggie
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jacky I'm actually wondering if I should backcompat support
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aaronpk No I just need to fix that
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/NiuHaDV.png // https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/koype/src/branch/develop/lib/indieweb/micropub/content.ex#L236-L252 is where I find those extensions
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jacky the image is me adapting it to catch the published and post_status so it'd be updated properly
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jacky oh man notification feed changes the game completely
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jacky like now I feel like I can see when things happening to me are occurring
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jacky yeah like I might have to make something that'll reparse _all_ of my old entries in batches to "expand" any bits of MF2 data
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jacky it's kind of inconsistent which isn't the best
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jacky does anyone use Newsblur?
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jacky looking at their "Information for Publishers" bit; and it _could_ do with some mf2 helping
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jacky http://newsblur.com/faq
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jacky also glancing at http://newsblur.com/api is a bit interesting
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jacky oh wow this is like _super_ news-tilted http://newsblur.com/social/33405/satadrus-blurblog
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jeremycherfas !tell jacky yes I do and in the past Samuel has seemed open to mf2 but then not done much. I recall asking whether his share to buttons could be adapted to use micropub and got no response.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas See https://forum.newsblur.com/t/sharing-to-micro-blog/6762/2
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sknebel a11y << [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCYPM6up9M Smashing TV: Léonie Watson on why semantic HTML document landmarks assist her using a screenreader] - 5 min intro on how screenreaders present pages
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCYPM6up9M Smashing TV: Léonie Watson on why semantic HTML document landmarks assist her using a screenreader] - 5 min intro on how screenreaders present pages" to the "See Also" section of /accessibility https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56532&oldid=55911
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[tantek] What is newsblur
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Loqi NewsBlur is a traditional feed reader that aimed to replicate and replace Google Reader, also available for self-hosting: [1] https://indieweb.org/NewsBlur
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[tantek] Looks like consuming mf2 has been requested
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[tantek] Jeremycherfas could you add the micropub feature request link / thread to that page too? ^^^
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[tantek] Separately from chat: sknebel, would like to see your thoughts on what’s a good ux for presenting & consuming same post in different languages? Same page? Different pages? Etc
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sknebel I was thinking about having a link at the top with "this post is also available in ...", and maybe pick the default language based on browser prefs (I'm skeptical of that in some ways, given how much it annoys me sometimes on e.g. MDN, but that's different if I assume I'll always properly translate content)
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sknebel so for a German visitor my homepage feed shows the German variant if one exists, and english otherwise
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[tantek] Could gather examples (like MDN) and document them along with (did)advantages
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[tantek] Wikipedia is another
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sknebel been looking for old session notes too, I know I've been in some discussions of this
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[tantek] What is translation
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Loqi translations are alternative versions of posts that have been translated (rewritten with the intent of maintaining meaning) into another language https://indieweb.org/translation
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[tantek] sknebel looks like our current discussion is about new approaches - definitely worth adding to the examples and brainstorming on that page!
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sknebel there's a few pages in that area, but seems so. will try to capture somewhere
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[tantek] I think /translations is the right page
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sknebel theres also /i18n, /multilingual_blogging and /language
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[tantek] Oof. That sounds like it needs some gardening
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[schmarty] i'm not alone! apparently Shortcuts 2.1.3 broke the ability to pass photos into a shortcut via share targets. 😕 https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/aou2to/conversion_error_of_images_input_of_a_shortcut/
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jacky hmm so newsblur would have to add indieauth consumer support (trivial esp in Python) and store info about baseline create + delete via micropub
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Loqi jacky: jeremycherfas left you a message 8 hours, 13 minutes ago: yes I do and in the past Samuel has seemed open to mf2 but then not done much. I recall asking whether his share to buttons could be adapted to use micropub and got no response.
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jacky jeremycherfas: I wonder if he was hoping someone would produce some code
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aaronpk [schmarty]: 😱 but that's like the whole point of shortcuts
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[schmarty] aaronpk: yeah, i imagine they will fix it up soon but it has made me feel pretty frustrated and helpless.
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aaronpk hm I am running 2.1.3
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[schmarty] are you able to share target a photo to a shortcut without errors?
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[schmarty] (i can use the "select photos" action from within a shortcut and it works fine)
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aaronpk that's like from my camera roll sharing to the Shortcuts thing which opens Shortcuts and lets you choose one right?
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[schmarty] (so worst case i could make a meta shortcut that lets me select photo and then choose a shortcut to sent it to)
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[schmarty] aaronpk: yep that's the path.
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aaronpk sharing works, got an error "Resize Image failed because Shortcuts couldn't convert from Item provider to Image."
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[schmarty] try making a shortcut that accepts photos over share target with a single Quick Look action
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aaronpk it shows me a preview which just says "(null)"
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[schmarty] yep
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[schmarty] that's the problem i have been seeing.
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aaronpk yeah that screenshot in the reddit thread is similar to what I see
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aaronpk how did they let that ship
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[schmarty] a fantastic question
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[schmarty] they were rushing this out to plug some CVEs, tightened up sandboxing and some path handling.
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aaronpk I thought I didn't have automatic app updates on too, darn
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[schmarty] haha bonk
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[schmarty] well it should be possible to make a meta shortcut that let's you select a photo and then select a shortcut to send it to.
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aaronpk boo
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[schmarty] *lets
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[schmarty] and they'll get it fixed eventually.
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aaronpk wow they finally shipped a fix for the facetime bug
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aaronpk 2 days ago
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[schmarty] yeah
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aaronpk guess I should install that since Shortcuts already updated itself outside the iOS update
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aaronpk lol error installing update. oh well.
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aaronpk oof my autolinker mangled https://🕸💍.ws
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aaronpk I think the spiderweb isn't in my emoji character range
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[schmarty] haha uh oh
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aaronpk probably need to update my emoji library. maybe i'll wait til the next emoji release
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aaronpk oms the spammers found websub.rocks
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aaronpk they've been entering random email addresses in the login box
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jacky down with spam
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jacky yo random
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jacky has anyone considered a reverse "lookup" for post interactions in readers?
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jacky like let's say Anne has a post
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jacky and Clark liked it
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jacky if I viewed it again in my reader, the reader would show Clark's face
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jacky and as soon as I said that, I remember that Anne could show that info on their site and the reader can surface it lol
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jacky that actually reduces so much discovery work for the reader
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[tantek] exactly!
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jacky that's really handy
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jacky the reader could do more info like sorting the likes by people you follow / "friended" first
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jacky okay 100% sure i'm overengineering/thinking this
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jacky but for venue creation
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jacky actually for the act of "determining" a venue (like if someone sent me some coords)
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jacky I'm thinking about having a polygon defined for every venue so I can do some checking if a coord and optional polygon falls within it that I might already have it stored in my system
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jacky then either merge or discard the incoming info and replace it with my venue URI
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jacky because in the case of https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/3ecc8c31-35ed-40d6-9b46-a9e1f50fbf48
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Loqi [Jacky Alcine] Heading back to the crib
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jacky afaik that's not the "mailing" address of the station nor do I need one, lol
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aaronpk pretty much figure out how foursquare does it and do that because they're the best lol
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aaronpk you probably don't even need polygons, just store a point for the venue and sort a list of venues by distance
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Zegnat OSM may actually have the polygon data for some venues
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jacky oh distance is probably easier to compute
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aaronpk polygons will give you accuracy but that isn't really what you want
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jacky hmm
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jacky b/c now when I think of places within places (like at Lyft, there was a spot called Primetime, a in-built bar); doing a match there would fail)
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aaronpk basically you want to think of the coordinates as a way to narrow down your search for the venue, rather than doing any sort of exact matching
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aaronpk if you're checking in, you can search for a venue by typing its name, but even easier is if your interface first shows you a list of nearby venues
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jacky the latter would be the goal tbh but yeah okay then, opting for distance
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aaronpk you do always have to account for the case where your phone doesn't know where you are so can't sort by distance
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jacky well if I can reduce the scope of it to be a URI; then it'll be a lot easier for me to replace in the future
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jacky vs a bunch of fields for some arbitrary location
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[tantek] be sure to include altitude in your coordinates
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aaronpk lol
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[tantek] you'll thank me when you visit Tokyo
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aaronpk altitude from the phone gps is horribly inaccurate
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[tantek] wifi inferred is pretty good
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[tantek] also wish my "phone" would just bluetooth query my watch which has *really good* atltitude
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aaronpk I will report back when I am in tokyo, but I really doubt it's at all useful
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[tantek] heck any multi-level mall here even. like Westfield on Market street.
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[tantek] Hello cleverdevil! What are you hacking on today?
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[cleverdevil] Hello, IndieWeb! 👋
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: see Rose's video clip shortcut
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[cleverdevil] Fixing some of my plugins for Micro.blog.
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aaronpk the ground outside is 49m, and i'm up on the 3rd floor right now and my phone says my altitude is 49m
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[tantek] aaronpk we will have to try phone vs ipod next time 🙂
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aaronpk I wouldn't be surprised if some buildings have been mapped out to work
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[tantek] I believe that is the case in Tokyo
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[tantek] what are Micro.blog plugins?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Micro.blog plugins" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Micro.blog plugins is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel checks if his phone has a barometer
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aaronpk oh right the iphone XS has a barometer too
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sknebel hm, mine hasn't
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sknebel I don't know how well those are integrated into the OS location stuff
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aaronpk I think they're supposed to be somewhat
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sknebel but if it is (or otherwise properly updated/calibrated) it seems like that's the best way to get floor-level height
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aaronpk but like in a black box way
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aaronpk doesn't air pressure change constantly though like due to the weather?
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[cleverdevil] [tantek] so, they're not really "plugins" per se.
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sknebel right, that's why you need integration
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aaronpk I wonder if iOS provides a direct API to read the barometer
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sknebel i.e. cross-reference with known locations and or weather data
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[cleverdevil] They're projects I built as externally hosted web services that can be added to hosted Micro.blog sites using JavaScript includes.
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aaronpk I should add that to overland if so
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[cleverdevil] What is microgram?
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Loqi Microgram is an extension to micro.blog to show photos in an instagram like photos page https://github.com/cleverdevil/microgram https://indieweb.org/Microgram
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[cleverdevil] What is micromemories?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "micromemories" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "micromemories is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[cleverdevil] Micromemories is an extension to micro.blog to show an "on this day" page for hosted Micro.blog websites - https://github.com/cleverdevil/micromemories
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [cleverdevil] micromemories: Add an "On This Day" feature to a Micro.blog website
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk huh, the API reports *change* in altitude and pressure, not absolute values
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sknebel for short-term it works quite well, we used it in uni to track movement between floors, but that was always relative, so relatively easy.
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aaronpk guess that isn't super useful to log in overland then
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aaronpk maybe for trips?
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aaronpk that'd let me draw a little elevation graph that's probably more accurate than using the elevation from CoreLocation
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jacky TIL about https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:target
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jacky probably handy for highlighting fragmentions?
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KartikPrabhu :target won't match fragmentions I think, only fragments using id attribute
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GWG I missed an Altitude talk?
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aaronpk you never really miss a talk on IRC
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GWG aaronpk, still waiting for other altitude implementations
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GWG What things other than Bridgy, Indienews and Indieweb.xyz use webmention syndication?
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jacky that's it to my knowledge
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GWG Ok, so I'm merely prepared for any arbitrary future one
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[cleverdevil] Sweet, just moved my website off of Google Fonts!
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[cleverdevil] Now, I am using self-hosted versions of the same free fonts.
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[cleverdevil] tracking--
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Loqi tracking has -1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk was it easy?
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[cleverdevil] Yes.
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[cleverdevil] https://transfonter.org
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[cleverdevil] Find the original font files in OTF or TTF, then upload there.
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[cleverdevil] It'll generate everything you need 🙂
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aaronpk fancy
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aaronpk oo I can make a webfont from my handwriting font
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[cleverdevil] That'd be fun!
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GWG Too messy for me
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[jgmac1106] Could webmentions slack bots exist? So if I share a link in slack then any threaded post below that link would show up as a comment?
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aaronpk ha that'd be neat
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aaronpk it'd take a bit of work but it's doable
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[tantek] wow cleverdevil very cool
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[tantek] what is webmention syndication
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webmention syndication" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "webmention syndication is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky oh that's not what I parsed "webmention slack bot" to be
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aaronpk me either but I like it
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[tantek] GWG mentioned the phrase above
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[tantek] and with three examples, it's worth defining
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[tantek] Webmention syndication is the use of the [[Webmention]] protocol as a syndication API, by having an original post link to a service’s special URL, then sending a webmention from that post to that service, causing the service to syndicate the post on itself (like [[IndieNews]] or indieweb.xyz) or to another service (like have [[Bridgy]] publish to a silo on your behalf).
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jacky where would that live?
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Loqi ok
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jacky ah okay
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jacky I was thinking under /syndication under a "Methods" header or something
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[tantek] Webmention << Webmention syndication
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Webmention syndication]]" to the "See Also" section of /Webmention https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56559&oldid=55699
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aaronpk hm there is some content about that already on https://indieweb.org/syndication-brainstorming
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[tantek] so it's not really brainstorming any more
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aaronpk wow that's an old page
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[tantek] looks like mostly content you added? feel free to re-organize!
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aaronpk yeah hmm, it's written mostly from the perspective of syndicating content created from a micropub client
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aaronpk also both of those ways have been fully functional for a couple years now so it's not brainstorming anymore lol
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GWG I always seem to spark a discussion unintentionally
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[tantek] I think in general it makes more sense to keep any "brainstorming" to be a section in the larger page that it's about, so that as brainstorming becomes real, it moves to examples, how to, etc.
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[tantek] maybe I should note that on /wikify
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[tantek] structuring wiki pages and wikis in general is non-obvious
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aaronpk not sure, we've intentionally used the -brainstorming pattern in a few places successfully
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aaronpk -> meta I guess
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[tantek] ok
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