#dev 2019-02-17

2019-02-17 UTC
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[schmarty] my contribution to read posts has yet to be realized and currently just redirects to a related improv project: bloodreads.com
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@sonniesedge ↩️ @glueckpress That's all via the use of http://Indieweb.org tech and http://brid.gy! :) (twitter.com/_/status/1097109390417645568)
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Zegnat petermolnar: re the HTML dropin EU thing; I’d use a <button> rather than <a> for the close button, it isn’t a link leading anywhere.
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Zegnat You could also drop an aria-label="Close" or something on there
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Zegnat Oh this is interesting! Nice way to get some input on code changes you are thinking about: https://github.blog/2019-02-14-introducing-draft-pull-requests/
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jgmac1106 does anyone have a second to tell me what I am doing wrong with this php contact form: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/0f444e893ef4f3d22ec8aff55ed8da32
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petermolnar apart from not filtering any user input, I don't see any immediate issues
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[jgmac1106] me neither, lemme go live and see if it works
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jgmac1106 works fine…of course it didn’t work inside of Glitch..would need a container to run the php on node.js …maybe?
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Zegnat Probably. Node.js is definitely not going to run PHP code natively
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Zegnat `$mailheader = "From: $email \r\n";` is an extremely dangerous line of code btw. As it allows the person submitting the form to add any headers to the email they want
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petermolnar all of them with infiltered user input is dangerous
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petermolnar please don't put this into live production
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Zegnat Theoretically I think mail() does validation on subject. I don’t know about message, if that accepts multi-mime messages it definitely requires filtering input, else that seems fine.
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Zegnat But the mail headers definitely require input filters
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GWG I fixed my feed consumption so now in Indigenous I see a smiling aaronpk
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GWG I wish someone else was posting frequently enough for me to test
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swentel hehe
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swentel yeah, only my indieweb channel has the most faces
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[jgmac1106] gwg follow me or chrisaldrich
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GWG jgmac1106, which url is your firehose?
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GWG swentel, do you have a list of what properties Indigenous tries to use as part of the display?
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/ choose mf2 unless testing json or rss I can pass those along
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GWG I am testing mf2 right now
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swentel GWG, not immediately no, but it all happens in this file: https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/blob/master/app/src/main/java/com/indieweb/indigenous/microsub/timeline/TimelineActivity.java#L202
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swentel until line 397
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[jgmac1106] i post 75 times a day, you will have plenty to test, you can also filter through content types if you need to test specific post types
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swentel GWG, I'll post an 'ideal' mf2 json from my feed, one second
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GWG You put feed on a lot of things
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swentel GWG, this is what the drupal module returns as a response: https://gist.github.com/swentel/59027d26f0b87895afc002d0b19eb4da
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swentel (it's basically what xray is parsing)
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swentel + _id and _is_read
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GWG swentel, does it show syndication links then?
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GWG jgmac1106, it gets your site well
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[jgmac1106] its because I use Known
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swentel GWG, indigenous doesn't show syndication links yet
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swentel same for categories
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swentel still need to add that
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swentel but not sure where to put them, as some people add a lot of categories :/
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[jgmac1106] omg doing an instagram import now....categories #every #other #word
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swentel also not sure yet if it's useful anyway to show them
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[jgmac1106] yeah if stuff goes away after 14 days no need
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swentel because sometimes they are also linked already in content['html']
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[jgmac1106] if there was paid long term storage and I could click and see category in my reader, then within specific groups, federation levels...I try to link to any of my hashtags ans use p-category and rel="tag" on them
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[jgmac1106] even if they go no where now...figure one day they should...and I'd rather drop in the link
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[jgmac1106] swentel if you could get Drupal to handle hashtags way Known does it is super useful
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swentel drupal has a link to tags listing all content then tagged with it
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[jgmac1106] gwg Known can provide good example but it has all the metadata and since you can add plugins a note that is 5 lines of HTML ends up 500 lines...but page weight still small
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[jgmac1106] sweet
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[jgmac1106] I still want to do a vHWC where you record walking me installing and launching Drupal
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[jgmac1106] back to making more h-products.....
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[jgmac1106] which means I am a perfect example of p-category being hard because sometimes a hashtag is also the identity of a group and used inside content
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@jgmac1106 @mapkyca https://tantek.com I just logged into the Twitter web client....the threaded tweet UI is perfect, exactly what I meant for threaded replies, webmentions. I never use Twitter, just tweetdeck or my reader, but good design to borrow from here. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/BfhCR) (twitter.com/_/status/1097138744463888387)
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@jgmac1106 I think I need to remove all url unfurling from @withknown. It looks real pretty but I often use someone's url to @ mention them using webmentions....The content of the post is not about that url at all. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1XAw0N) (twitter.com/_/status/1097139022240075776)
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[jgmac1106] I hate the new Twitter developer process...every time, the first email they send you they ask you to answer the same four questions you answered in your application
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[jgmac1106] wonder if it is a bot test or just auto generated stupidity
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sknebel I never got any response. should maybe try again then
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[davidmead] just realized brdi.gy hasn’t been seeing any web mention targets for phots syndicated from instagram to my known blog for 14 days now
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[davidmead] actually 27 days 😞
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[jgmac1106] davidmead, do this, rollback to 0.9.9, see what happens
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[jgmac1106] also uninstall any additional media plugins down to the photo.
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sknebel [davidmead]: try resending them from bridgy UI
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sknebel (I just tried a random one, that worked)
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sknebel and when you post the next picture, check the bridgy logs for what's going on
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sknebel (or ask us to help check)
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[jgmac1106] davidmead the last seven I mported have no interactions either but I have no idea what the expectations are for behavior, welcomt o bounce off of mine and test back and forth if content won't cause too much context collapse
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[jgmac1106] <--goes to check if there are bri.gy settings
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[jgmac1106] I didn't know that you needed Brid.gy and OYG together....
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snarfed you don't for backfeed. OYG is just for PESOS, since bridgy doesn't do IG POSSE
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[jgmac1106] will this cause issues? Brid..gy needs this as the profile in Instagram: https://blog.kevo.glass/profile/kevo but your gram would need the domain
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snarfed bridgy only needs that during signup. OYG probably too. so you could probably change it during each's signup
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[jgmac1106] yep works, thanks...think the etsygram crowd is next
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[jgmac1106] snarfed++
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk++
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[jgmac1106] for being SPO and making this easy
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snarfed heh
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snarfed [davidmead]: part of the problem is that some of your IG posts aren't on your site at all
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snarfed eg i don't see either of these: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsgi__AAUOG/ , https://www.instagram.com/p/BtUP-tTAWjm/
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Loqi [David Mead] At @goldhornbrew for @negative_kvn's leaving drink. All the best mate. #vscocam #beer #drink #csaf https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/ce165228d52e8482a56a26ce26fface8/5CF3CBF6/t51.2885-15/e35/47694924_131921574494682_3836630597944749379_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com
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[davidmead] snarfed - i know I have 5 still “trapped” in OYG as my Known install and it seem to error out and then randomly let one through
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snarfed heh ok
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snarfed on an unrelated note, for those of you who podcast, i'm looking at converting mf2 to rss with enclosures
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GWG snarfed, Bridge all the Things
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snarfed mostly done, but one last part we don't have in mf2 yet is a property for the audio file's exact length in bytes
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GWG snarfed, propose one?
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[jgmac1106] https://stuffedworld.dogzone.com is you can do it to Apples flavors of RSS...the categories...PITA
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[davidmead] jgmac1106 do you have a link to the 0.9.9 build? marcus just has the 0.9.9.a builds on his site
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snarfed GWG: nowhere near that yet
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GWG I need to fix my podcast RSS.
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snarfed in RSS, the <enclosure>'s length attribute is exact byte length, and it's required
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GWG It is a direct mf2 extraction
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[jgmac1106] https://stuffedworld.dogzone.jgregorymcverry.com/.ahhh okay so that is always missing
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snarfed aaronpk publishes file sizes for percolator in a p-size attr, but they're only approximate, eg '8.88mb'
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[davidmead] sknebel where in the bridgy UI do I resend?
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snarfed [davidmead]: "Resend for post" on https://brid.gy/instagram/davidjohnmead
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snarfed either silo url or your web site post url
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[davidmead] thx snarfed
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snarfed gregorLove does the same approximate size thing on http://latenighttoast.com/
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[davidmead] that seems to be pulling them in
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[davidmead] snarfed++
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snarfed sorry for the hiccough [davidmead]!
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snarfed !tell aaronpk,cleverdevil,GWG,schmarty,jgmac1106,chrisaldrich,eddiehinkle hey podcasters, we don't yet have exact audio file size (in bytes) in mf2. how should we represent that? i'm looking at converting to RSS, where it's required. more: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-17#t1550418872983700
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [snarfed] on an unrelated note, for those of you who podcast, i'm looking at converting mf2 to rss with enclosures
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aaronpk Good morning
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[davidmead] morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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aaronpk This sounds kind of like the additional properties we've brainstormed for photos or video files too
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aaronpk like including the dimensions of an image
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: snarfed left you a message 5 minutes ago: hey podcasters, we don't yet have exact audio file size (in bytes) in mf2. how should we represent that? i'm looking at converting to RSS, where it's required. more: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-17#t1550418872983700
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[jgmac1106] Also going to add a dead simple guest book that makes an h-card for people with a note
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[jgmac1106] Forget manual till hit hurts Sawyer till sunset
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[schmarty] snarfed: what about peeking at the actual file and grabbing the Content-length header? 😬
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Loqi [schmarty]: snarfed left you a message 6 minutes ago: hey podcasters, we don't yet have exact audio file size (in bytes) in mf2. how should we represent that? i'm looking at converting to RSS, where it's required. more: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-17#t1550418872983700
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[schmarty] snarfed++ for looking to bridge mf2-to-RSS!
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aaronpk Another question is what do podcast apps do with the size property?
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aaronpk I know some show it to the user which is why I made mine human readable
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[schmarty] I am probably being naive but I imagine most podcast apps end up dropping it on the floor
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[jgmac1106] Pocketcast displays it under download
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[schmarty] Like what is the consequence for a publisher if they put in the wrong byte count? A podcatcher is gonna make an http request for the file and that's going to be the real byte count, no matter what the enclosure attribute says.
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[jgmac1106] The file size
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[jgmac1106] I do it all the time nothing
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: displays it before you download?
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[jgmac1106] Yeah
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[schmarty] Overcast doesn't seem to show it
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[jgmac1106] iPhone pwners rich enouigh not to worry about data
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snarfed thanks all!
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snarfed btw aaronpk you actually only have human readable size (eg 1.23mb) in your mf2. you put exact byte length in your RSS enclosures, which follows the spec
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snarfed i like the idea of HEADing files to get their size, but sadly it's not realistic for feeds with dozens of episodes
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snarfed i might try size="" (ie blank) and see if that validates in itunes etc
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snarfed itunes seems happy with length either blank or missing entirely
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[jgmac1106] Not an mf2 issue but I need to redo my mf2 podcast pages so the CSS grid is implicit and I don't need change properties every episode
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[jgmac1106] ... But mf2->rss be awesome... I just gave up manual hurt too much
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jeremycherfas .
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GWG swentel, new feature works. Query is working to spec, but need to fix parsing of geo for new property.
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Loqi GWG: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 39 minutes ago: hey podcasters, we don't yet have exact audio file size (in bytes) in mf2. how should we represent that? i'm looking at converting to RSS, where it's required. more: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-17#t1550418872983700
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swentel GWG, ok cool
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swentel ah right the 'name' property
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swentel going to add that to the drupal micropub module too
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[dougbeal] I think the size is used to fake the progress bar when streaming. One of the things that can cause it to jump around if incorrect.
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GWG swentel, I have some future ideas
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swentel hehe
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GWG swentel, I have a proposed ideas of private zones. For example, if you query a location inside the zone, it would automatically return a visibility parameter you could set by default
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GWG swentel, also the geo uri lacks a u property
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GWG Thanks for all the location work, by the way
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GWG swentel++
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swentel no problem, it's fun todo
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swentel brings me closer to add 'checkin' to both indigenous/drupal
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GWG swentel, I hope to get there. The geo query has an option to return suggested nearby venues. I had that in mind
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swentel GWG, assumed that, totally on board with that
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GWG swentel, what Micropub features are high on your list?
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swentel GWG, multiple upload of pictures in indigenous, finish q=source
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GWG I would implement a feature you add to Indigenous that I didn't yet support
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swentel which one?
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GWG swentel, any arbitrary ones.. Nothing specific
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swentel oh hehe
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swentel audio/video is probably next, and also sending published date (finally)
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GWG I ran afoul of that one when I left my timezone
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swentel oh yeah, timezone stuff
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swentel mm in london next week, ideal moment to check that
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swentel other than that, I'm pretty happy with micropub right now on both sides
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swentel adding probably read post type will happen at some point too
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swentel not sure if other ones are really missing atm
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GWG swentel, query for supported queries, properties, and post types?
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swentel post-types is supported by indigenous already
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GWG swentel, the supported queries and properties would cut the settings page
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swentel mm true
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GWG But it is a proposal people liked, I think Eddie got the benefit, but I think only I send it right now
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swentel oh, didn't know that
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GWG Got to start somewhere
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7
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Loqi [dshanske] #7 Query for Supported Queries
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GWG But you can query and hide the settings if present
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swentel Indeed. Does it also contain 'location-visibility' in a 'properties' array for instance ?
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GWG swentel, yes
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@Kyuu9sha A shameless test for webmentions https://toxip.net/jekyll/update/2017/04/20/welcome-to-jekyll.html (twitter.com/_/status/1097229751494868993)
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[tantek] Anyone know if Bridgy Publish to Twitter supports alt text on photos?
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[tantek] (couldn't find anything about it in the docs either way)
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: we added alt-parsing in mf2py for that use-case, not sure if it is incorporated
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[jgmac1106] Will test now
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: according to resovled issue https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/756 yes!
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Loqi [miklb] #756 Support for alt text on images posted to Twitter (blocked on mf2py)
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[jgmac1106] If you do a photo post you can't enter alt text so that is moot point.
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KartikPrabhu why can't you enter alt text on a photo post?
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KartikPrabhu do you mean on twitter or some micropub client
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] do you mean on Known in particular?
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] also did all your old permalinks from WordPress break? e.g. * http://jgregorymcverry.com/6851-2/
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[tantek] (from that github issue)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah not sure what happened... After doing at that work to write redirects... Need to go see if file got overwritten or what happened
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@Petersell My wish: posting photos from my cms @withknown to pixelfed - or just the other way round. Up to now I am using instagram to post on my known site by means of http://brid.gy. In the long run I only wand to use @pixelfed. Any idea? (twitter.com/_/status/1097248263042940928)
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KartikPrabhu what is pixelfed?
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Loqi PixelFed is open source software for social image sharing, similar to Instagram, that interoperates with other sites using several open standards including rel-me and ActivityPub https://indieweb.org/PixelFed
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KartikPrabhu ooo snarfed^
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