#dev 2019-02-21

2019-02-21 UTC
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Yes form of decentralized syndication. Since users own data they choose where to syndicate. No one is forced on Twitter. Many use webmentions and never touch a social media silo. Some stick around for advocacy, others because that is where there… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/21/lsanger-yes-form-of-decentralized-syndication-since (twitter.com/_/status/1098375693442916353)
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[jgmac1106] I used to embed all my flickr favs (which was a way to build a gallery of my photo attributions), but they took away the embed code, how could I PESOS my favs to my wesbite?
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KartikPrabhu I guess my flickr embed response-context is broken too
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[jgmac1106] yeah [johnjohnston] built me a WordPress plugin that worked well as a replacement...need something else now
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] can you embed an RSS/Atom feed? Your Flick faves are available as a feed file.
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[jgmac1106] yes I can!
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[jgmac1106] looks like I started a manual page and never styled it, the feed will work perfectly for now https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/imagecredits.html
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[jgmac1106] ohh and this reminds me
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[jgmac1106] !tell zegnat another reason I started using urls as @ mentions on Twitter bc it forces, forget incentivizes , people off of social media and on to our blogs...just realized that...didn't plan it but it works
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@aredridelreads ✌ @Reading "https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/27/10/indieauth-twitter" http://ing.am/p/591j (twitter.com/_/status/1098453488894443522)
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jacky ayee
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@ChrisAldrich A Followers Page on My Personal Website using Webmention #IndieWeb #WordPress https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/20/creating-a-followers-page/ (twitter.com/_/status/1098466075790827521)
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swentel GWG, hmm, I think I have first UI overhaul ready, but not sure if I should release already, don't want to break your demo :)
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jgmac1106 getting close on my guestbook project, need to figue out what is why it isn;t calling my style sheet: https://indieweb-guestbook.glitch.me/
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Zegnat Glitch doesn’t want to wakeup/start that URL for me ...
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Loqi Zegnat: [jgmac1106] left you a message 9 hours, 49 minutes ago: another reason I started using urls as @ mentions on Twitter bc it forces, forget incentivizes , people off of social media and on to our blogs...just realized that...didn't plan it but it works
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jgmac1106 yeah, weird me either…and it woked swimminlgy accept my stylesheet
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jgmac1106 here the link: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/b76e59a2-de84-4ffe-a2f9-e4bff5216973
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jgmac1106 worked except
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jgmac1106 fixed
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jgmac1106 I lost connection when adding myself as an author so aan array just hang
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jgmac1106 can’t figure out why the stylesheet isn’t recgonized..once I figure that just need to make it purdy and I am done
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sknebel jgmac1106: I think your server.js doesn't have any code to serve the stylesheet
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jgmac1106 weird there was a bootstrap link in header.ejs that worked, I switched it with my local style sheet and I see it when I hit view source
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Zegnat Bootstrap link was probably an external one.
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jgmac1106 yes it was
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Zegnat All your local requests go through the server.js, and server.js doesn’t know how to answer a request for /public/style.css
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Zegnat At least, that is what I am assuming off of sknebel’s comment
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Zegnat You may need to define someone on `app` that tells it to serve files from /public/ directly
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jgmac1106 perfect, tommorow’s lesson then, happy where I made it..and half the time you throw it out there and someone will fix it for you
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Zegnat Wont be me, I can’t wait to get back to PHP after work :P
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Zegnat Also, jgmac1106, I like that reason for using domains to mention people on Twitter. Making people more aware of a world outside of Twitter!
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jgmac1106 yeah thought of it last yesterday when slanger was all like “how do you encourage folks off of social media and on the web…only refer to people by their url
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jgmac1106 I will continue my php lessons as I am your guineea pig for the teaching guide….there really isn’t away for someone to easily learn php anymore
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jgmac1106 i found a bazillion node.js tutorials
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jgmac1106 thinking this is what I need? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/574944/how-to-load-up-css-files-using-javascript
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jgmac1106 ..but now I am all like, that;s it..let’s go make an interface to publish my follow posts…and ohh yeah your guestbook could just as easily be a tool to publish my notes on https://jgregorymcverry.com …grrrrrrr just one mroe step to zegnat’s prediction that I will end up with my own CMS
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Zegnat Don’t make it a self-fullfilling prophecy :P Steer clear!
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jgmac1106 won’t happen until there is an easy use plug-n-play engine to be behind, really all I want, the IndieWeb plumbingm and a blank html file and blank style sheet..step by step
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sknebel many of the glitch examples I've seen had their own stylesheet and the erving already configured in the example code provided. e.g. in the code for sturdy-backbone the right setup should still be around from the demo code I tweaked for it
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jgmac1106 ….yeah this wasn’t a demo project
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jgmac1106 that is probably my biigest gripe..but time..the learnign stuff gets mixed in with all the junk and people can pick up bad practice
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jgmac1106 this just used external bootstrap
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jgmac1106 I want to redo using my sites stylesheet
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jgmac1106 and that is all I needed, an external stylesheet
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jgmac1106 nvm just did the body of the page…everything be styled by: user agent stylesheet
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jgmac1106 ul, menu, dir {
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jgmac1106 okay that is the Chrome default when a stylesheet is missing, back to it being tommorrow’s lesson
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jgmac1106 out of indieweb time today
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[grantcodes] Looks, like you figured it out. You just need to set express to serve from static directories
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jgmac1106 <— hands grantcodes the keys: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/b76e59a2-de84-4ffe-a2f9-e4bff5216973 and walks away to feed kids pancakes hoping “ just need to set express to serve from static directories” hoping when he comes back this works https://jgregorymcverry.com/styles.css" or the local style sheet
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sknebel is it really that hard to copy-paste the solution from the project I told you you can copy paste it from that you need to ask others to do it?...
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[grantcodes] It already does from what I looked it
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sknebel ah. line 47 might override it again?
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sknebel ah no, it's bound below the root
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sknebel nvm
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sknebel jgmac1106: you just need to leave off the "public/" from the paths
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sknebel that happens when I try to comment on JS projects :D
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jgmac1106 really, just figured public was a subdirectory without thinkig……oh yeah..public is root
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sknebel and I totally missed the line setting it up first time round
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[Vincent] THIS is great -> <details> is a super flexible, accessible element and no JS! https://github.com/muan/details-on-details
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jgmac1106 this is awesome
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jgmac1106 [vincent] I had a question about that actually, I use interactive elements in bootstrap collapsible tables all the time (rubrics). I have been mocking them up in css grid and was going to use <details>
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jgmac1106 but am I reading that correctly that I should NOT use interactive elements
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jgmac1106 if so need to stick with bootstrap a bit longer
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[grantcodes] Only in the summary jgmac1106 think you can put whatever you want in the main details element
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[Vincent] [grantcodes] beat me to it
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[Vincent] lol
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[davidmead] vincent thx for sharing
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jgmac1106 sweet
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jgmac1106 redoing all my rubrics using CSS Grid and adding nested h-reviews
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[grantcodes] But jgmac1106 re "plug and play indieweb engine", that is more or less what my thing is. It probably already does most of what you are looking for. Already powers my site so it's good enough for me
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jgmac1106 I don’t know enough grid to touch our form builder yet but that is pile of Jquery and magical band aids..excited to get the rubrics doen because anyone will be able to use the template
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jgmac1106 grantcodes…yeah it was a matter of timing, had it been Summer and not winter I might have gone full bore ahead
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jgmac1106 besides let’s wait and see if we get the Responsible Computer Science Grant and then you can get paid to do it for us
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[grantcodes] Haha well let me know if you ever want to be a guinea pig 😜 could do with some testers.
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GWG swentel, don't let me stop you
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jgmac1106 and we will have mblaney making a webmention badging ledger from indiepay.me
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jgmac1106 grantcodes==
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jgmac1106 sknebel++
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jgmac1106 grantcodes++-
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jgmac1106 chrisburnell++
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jgmac1106 saw him editing the document as well….was supposed to stop and move on but NOW I need to port thiis to my wesbite
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jgmac1106 I mean it parses so nice
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jgmac1106 https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb-guestbook.glitch.me
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jgmac1106 this is for me but also thinking IndieWeb CRM for the ecommerce stores I am building people
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[grantcodes] Well I made my little glitch sample site a bit cleaner. Means when you remix it you get a clean database and media folder which is cool
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jgmac1106 grantcodes my first step would be to get webmentions displaying but never thought about just forking your site and trying to style it my way…..Will be great summer project…..couldnt’t do between semesters
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jgmac1106 will start using that next semester, I can build my lesson templates right into it and then pass it off to students for their site
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[grantcodes] Yeah, that is one part I haven't actually built into the core library yet, it sends webmentions but doesn't receive them by default
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jgmac1106 such a balancing act so much more to figure out about putting yourself online than just the code…always trying to fit the right mix into the remix
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jgmac1106 3/25 we should hear…but I have never known a grant announcement to come in on time
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jgmac1106 grantcodes they are the forward facing analytics of a for profit company so I would reduce number 50-75% but we had 25k views of the apps in the Glitch IndieWeb team
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jgmac1106 maybe we should make one that says “Donate Now” that is a micropub client where people can record they made a donation
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jgmac1106 that was last two tweeks usually average 15k-20k (again their numbers) every two weeks
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jgmac1106 grantcodes other idea…would have to wait until April/May for me…would two of us recording a podcast of you walking me through all the set up and then we can cut it up and make a strong tutorial
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[grantcodes] Yeah, could probably do that at some point. Would like to have more of the library polished out and docs written before that though
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jgmac1106 like I said I won’t have time for few months, but happy to help write documentation and tutorials
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[kevinmarks] I made the mistake of putting links in the <summary> so you have to click outside the link to expand it.
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[kevinmarks] but I am a big details/summary fan
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jgmac1106 yeah can’t wait to finish my rubric templates with the way you showed me to make nested h-reviews….that was the last thing keeping using bootstrap
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[kevinmarks] a project from my Digital Catapult colleague that could be handy for the nickname cache problem https://fornax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guide.html
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[kevinmarks] i like the idea of this for the rel-me rel-friend type stuff
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[kevinmarks] using this with https://indiemap.org/ perhaps
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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[tantek] Hey do we have a tutorial for replacing a Disqus embed with a Webmentions embed?
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[tantek] Who <!here> has done that? I know I've seen examples in the past but can't remember offhand
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[schmarty] somewhat unhelpful, but i downloaded and made static my old disqus comments
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[schmarty] https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/25/site-updates-importing-old-posts-disqus-comments/
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[pfefferle] https://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/contact/
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[schmarty] i replaced 'em with webmentions but it's not done with a widget.
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blair1 schmarty, that's super useful ... tantek is (likely) asking for me since I was asking him
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blair1 That's exactly what I'd like to do; I moved comments from wordpress to disqus years ago, when I moved from wordpress to a static jekyll site
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blair1 now I'd like to purge disqus, but I don't want to lose all the comments (there are some nice ones
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blair1 any chance those templates for formatting the comments are still around?
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[schmarty] blair1: the templates to render the comments from the yaml format? i can find it.
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blair1 thanks!
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blair1 Then I just need to figure out the best way to add some dynamic webmentions stuff into my site (thanks to Tantek for suggesting it, I'm just not sure the best way to proceed)
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[schmarty] blair1: https://gist.github.com/martymcguire/c6aed07b8a8c36fef23d68930667adfe
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[schmarty] those are for jekyll
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[schmarty] if you're interested in displaying comments via a javascript widget: https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3743-More-fun-with-Webmentions
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[schmarty] oops i think i meant this, or they are talking about the same thing: http://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/1048-Embedding-webmention-io-pings-on-your-site
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jgmac1106 maybe the moderated native comment system is the private way to share posts back and forth works for when I am giving feedback, post positive webmentions, target areas of growth native comments
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/www-vs-chrome
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KartikPrabhu hmm Loqi nothing?
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: Well, guess chrome needs a polyfill loading WWW then :D
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KartikPrabhu LOL!!
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jacky am I bugging or does IndieAuth not mention anything about preserving query params when handling the redirect URI?
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jacky I'm looking at https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] IndieAuth
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[eddie] IndieAuth is an OAuth 2.0 Extension so it often only addresses things that are different than OAuth 2.9
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[eddie] 2.0*
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jacky ahh gotcha
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jacky hm https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#appendix-A.6
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jacky wow if you're not careful; this site can have you bouncing around multiple RFCs lol
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jacky but yeah looks like I ought to keep the query params!
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jacky ooh this makes _so_ much sense lol
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jacky like this even enables client-side apps or in native apps to extract info
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jacky oauth2++
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@jgmac1106 Hey Maria, thanks for sending webmentions and posting replies to people's post. It helps create the community of readers and writers that #literacies classrooms need #edu307 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1QjGFr) (twitter.com/_/status/1098719291464126464)
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