#dev 2019-02-24

2019-02-24 UTC
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[dougbeal] Maybe I will write a php/WordPress overcast to listen translator
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gRegorLove tantek: confirmed Dreamhost PHP has Tidy and XSL modules. Or did you say XSLT?
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gRegorLove Let me know if there's other modules you want to check for
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gRegorLove actually this should tell you: there's phpinfo links for each version they have https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001301686-Default-PHP-settings-at-DreamHost
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[tantek] I think XSL includes XSLT
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[tantek] yeah, "--with-xsl" is the key option
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[tantek] interesting I wonder what the difference is between '--with-xsl=shared' and just ''--with-xsl'
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gRegorLove maybe that it's shared hosting
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gRegorLove Also found some details for compiling other modules on shared, so I know that's possible. There's even an article for compiling your own version of PHP and using that. https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/217253537-Installing-ImageMagick-and-the-imagick-PHP-module-on-Shared-hosting
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[tantek] what is Dreamhost
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Loqi DreamHost is a web hosting company https://indieweb.org/DreamHost
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[tantek] found via rayna's site: https://html5up.net/ - responsive HTML5+CSS3 templates, cc licensed
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk Definitely going to use that next time I need to make a home page for a project website
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[cleverdevil] I used that for indiepaper.io
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[cleverdevil] It rules 😀
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[tantek] right? where do I put this?
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[tantek] what is HTML5
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Loqi HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language used to create web pages, thus one of the building blocks of the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/HTML5
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[tantek] HTML5 << https://html5up.net/ - responsive HTML5+CSS3 templates, CC licensed
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Loqi ok, I added "https://html5up.net/ - responsive HTML5+CSS3 templates, CC licensed" to the "See Also" section of /HTML https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57255&oldid=55219
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[tantek] close enough
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jacky just be careful with those thin fonts - super hard to read on some devices (notably my laptop)
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[tantek] good point
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kisik21 Interesting. As soon as I moved my backend server from yuki (my RPi) to sakura (my laptop) it became a lot more speedy. Does it mean that I need more optimisations on the server side?
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kisik21 !tell ben_thatmustbeme is syndication in Inkstone working? don't see any options
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Looking for some assistance to convert a subscribe form for a mailing list to use a specific form builder.
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jeremycherfas The code I have, which works fine, is here https://gist.github.com/jeremycherfas/33aa3d3596f3553786b53148541bc586
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jeremycherfas As I understand it, that send the contents of a field named `bd-email` to the URL `https://buttondown.email/jeremycherfas`
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jeremycherfas But I don't understand what the `popupwindow` part does, because when I test the form, there is no popup, only the window itself.
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jgmac1106 jeremycherfas…I am working on form building and lightweight data storage as well.//looks cool: https://buttondown.email/
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jeremycherfas The reason I want to use a different form, from FormCraft, is that I want thestyling of two different forms to be similar, and one of them I can only display using Formcraft.
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jgmac1106 ]bc your browser is probably default set to block popups?
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jeremycherfas No, that isn't it.
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jgmac1106 can we just write the CSS to make it look llike Formcraft
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jgmac1106 .ooh sounds like that is what you. are doing bc you have to use Formcraft
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jeremycherfas Not with the way widgets work in WP, because things get wrapped in all sorts of stuff like `aside` and so on
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jeremycherfas FormCraft gives me the opportunity to send the information to a custom URL, but at the moment I can't quite work out the details. And I cannot see the POST data that the original form is actually sending.
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sknebel jeremycherfas: for me that code opens a new window on submit
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sknebel does the browser console show anything for you?
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jeremycherfas Right; but I cannot see the content of the POST. Let me look again.
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jeremycherfas Actually, for testing purposes, I should be able to make a page that just contains the form, right?
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sknebel what do you mean "cannot see the content of the POST"?
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jeremycherfas The form collects an email and sends it to a sign-up page. I want to know what it is sending, so I can try to mimic that from inside FormCraft.
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sknebel a form submission with email=the email address and embed=1
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sknebel you can check it in dev tools in the network log of the new window. or remove the target="" attribute, then it'll submit in the same window
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jeremycherfas Very helpful; thanks. I wonder what the embed does. Ned to mimic that in FormCraft and see.
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jeremycherfas Interesting. FormCraft gts a certificate rror. I think I'm going to have to revrt to plan A and attempt some better styling.
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jeremycherfas And my keyboard needs cleaning.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ https://davegoesthedistance.com goes next. He uses a ton of subdomains (me too!) Is redesigning is puzzle site, and looking at adding webmentions for answers....I think Dave needs to look into webmention badges. Also trying to eat every Taco in Fort Worth (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1yUURN) (twitter.com/_/status/1099648953308581888)
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[chaitanya] Hi! I was looking for PHP based static website generators... are Sculpin and Jigsaw good options? Is there any other PHP based static site generators you would like to recommend?
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petermolnar https://www.staticgen.com/ => select php
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[chaitanya] [petermolnar_] Thank you so much!
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[kevinmarks] !tell Tantek if you're still looking for hosting, this link gives you a $20 credit at linode https://promo.linode.com/rocket/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=promo&utm_campaign=rocket
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] Thanks Kevinmarks. I’m not ready to sign up for devops just yet :)
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Loqi [tantek]: [kevinmarks] left you a message 7 minutes ago: if you're still looking for hosting, this link gives you a $20 credit at linode https://promo.linode.com/rocket/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=promo&utm_campaign=rocket
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[tantek] Has anyone considered writing microsub "server" support clientside? so everything is save on your local device?
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[tantek] I mean cached* on your local device(s).
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[kevinmarks] You could run woodwind locally
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GWG I would do client side caching, but I wouldn't want my local device to be the only place I could access it
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[grantcodes] [tantek] not sure a clientside sever would make much sense. But a client that reads and caches a server would probably be useful.
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[tantek] grantcodes a clientside server would make perfect sense is a pure p2p architecture
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[tantek] *in a pure p2p
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[tantek] e.g. imagine all the feeds you subscribed to had rel=alternate to ipfs or dat or some other p2p protocols as another way to retrieve them, and you could get them from your local network without even hitting the internet
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[tantek] wish I'd thought of this while Paul (of Beaker/Dat) was around yesterday
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[tantek] literally just woke up with this possibility
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[grantcodes] Ah ok, that was very different from what I was imagining from "support clientside"
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[kevinmarks] There is a .well-known convention for dat equivalent
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[kevinmarks] Eg www.kevinmarks.com/.well-known/dat
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[jgmac1106] tried to get @mapkyca to stop in yesterday he has interesting plans for social readers and ifps
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aaronpk GWG I just realized that Quill uses indieauth-client-php and so it may actually require updating that library to return the profile info in order for Quill to get access to it
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GWG I'm checking that library now
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GWG You don't seem to actually strip anything from the return, just return it
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aaronpk ah great
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aaronpk wasn't sure
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gRegorLove aaronpk: This fixes the representative h-card test on indiewebify.me https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/pull/79
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #79 Fix representative h-card test
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (85 in all channels)
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aaronpk should be live
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jeremycherfas Well, it has taken the best part of the day, but I did manage to style my new sign-up form so that it more or less matches my other form.
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jeremycherfas Good enough, at any rate.
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jeremycherfas Just one remaining problem: how do you ensure that a form field is emptied when you reload a page?
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sknebel jeremycherfas: not sure that's easily possible. what's the use case?
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gRegorLove do you mean preventing autofill by the browser?
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jeremycherfas Saving myself from having the same email in the form if I reload after testing. I guess it doesn't really matter.
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jeremycherfas No, not autofill. If someone has typed and email and clicked submit, when they come back the email is still there. Although they get a message saying it all worked, I don't want them to click over and over again.
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sknebel I don't think there's a good solution to that.
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jeremycherfas OK. I can accept that.
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jeremycherfas And though moving from MailChimp to Buttondown might not be the greatest silo escape ever, it does feel good.
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sknebel is it like your example form where the confirmation opens in a new window?
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sknebel then you could have the JS also show some indication that the form already has been submitted
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jeremycherfas I put back the target=popupwindow because it actually functions much better that way for a visitor who wants to sign up.
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sknebel hm, I'm not quite sure why they did it that way and not with target="_blank" now that I think of it
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sknebel anyways, you could use the onsubmit javascript to e.g. show a "submitted" label after the button
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jeremycherfas No idea. I can ask the developer. He's really responsive, but I didn't want to bother him on a Sunday.
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jgmac1106 jeremycherfas when you build a form you also build a thank you page, can you get the same variables on the thank you page and check what is submitted that way?
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jeremycherfas Would you mind just trying it for me; no need actually to sign up. The form is at the bottom right of this page https://www.eatthispodcast.com/how-to-subscribe/
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jgmac1106 worked fine
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jgmac1106 sent me confirmation email
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jeremycherfas I could, but as they get an opt-in email, I'm hoping that's enough. The Thank you page has to contain some sort of GDPR wordage.
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jeremycherfas (It doesn't exist yet!)
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jgmac1106 that is slick, I would also recommend snipcart as an option for transactions
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jeremycherfas That's great. Thanks [jgmac1106]++
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sknebel fwiw, removing the onsubmit="" and changing the target to "_blank" works the same to me. so I'd be curious why they did it that way
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jeremycherfas I'll try and remember to ask.
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jgmac1106 jeremycherfas I don’t understand why the digests that you can send to subscribers through WP weekly digests cant be a newsletter but I only had a few hundred subscribers maybe it gets heavy
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jeremycherfas But there are a gazillion newsletter plugins, aren't there?
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gRegorLove dave: https://codepen.io/michellebarker/post/building-an-aspect-ratio-css-grid-layout
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jgmac1106 this was my attempt: https://jgregorymcverry.com/opensourceblogging.html I need to do better media queries but taking it slow
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] Blogging and Open Source Communities
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jgmac1106 yeah but I didn’t do anything, to send to subscrivers, though you couldn’t select by post kinds that would have been killer
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jgmac1106 I lost a ton of my subcribers when I started doing notes from WP
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jgmac1106 gRegorLove++ this is great
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey #IndieWeb would it be easier to just use form onSubmit="WriteToFile(this) to a txt file or document.getElementById("demo").innerHTML..and now I am just walking in circles as I need to settle on a direction...or just demo webmention badges (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1oUS9w) (twitter.com/_/status/1099738217543319553)
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jgmac1106 surprised there isn't a markdown micropub client, that was the thing, once I was using indigenous I rarely touched the editor to publish
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jgmac1106 oops wrong channel
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jgmac1106 or LowDB database playing with node.js but if I can do this in HTML would prefer
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jgmac1106 HTML partials…new thing to Google
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jacky jgmac1106: Quill passively supports markdown; my site supports it and that's how I've used it
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dougbeal jacky: passive meaning no WYSWIG, but passes it through fine?
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gRegorLove what is Mailchimp?
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Loqi MailChimp is a service for sending emails https://indieweb.org/MailChimp
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gRegorLove What is Buttondown?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Buttondown" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Buttondown is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky dougbeal: yup!
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jacky Buttondown is a hosted newsletter service designed for personal use.
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Loqi ok
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jacky what is Buttondown
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Loqi Buttondown is a hosted newsletter service designed for personal use https://indieweb.org/Buttondown
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gRegorLove Buttondown << https://buttondown.email/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://buttondown.email/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Buttondown https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57328&oldid=57327
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@jgmac1106 well gonna call it quits and demo my updates on webmention badges....I have littered the web with my failed attempts to simply have an html form publish a guestbook on my wesbite. form building should be "hello world" but I not ready. Got closeish… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/24/well-gonna-call-it-quits-and-demo (twitter.com/_/status/1099757592870572034)
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GWG swentel: Just found a new Microsub issue
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swentel reading it :)
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swentel we actually talked about this one already
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swentel but forgot about it
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GWG swentel: Did we?
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GWG I thought we talked about when it was a URL
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GWG Not a name
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GWG Which means, since an author property can be either URL or name...
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GWG You'd have to account for both
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aaronpk wait what
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swentel well, in a way I don't care if the content of the property is a name or string I guess
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GWG aaronpk: The author property in JF2...it doesn't have to be an object, does it?
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aaronpk it is supposed to always be an object
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#entry
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GWG Okay. My fault
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GWG WIll fix
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aaronpk if you only know the URL then return an object with only the URL
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swentel ok, closing issue then :)
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GWG I was thinking of JF2, not the Microsub spec on it
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aaronpk yeah the jf2 spec is possibly a bit out of date compared to what microsub is doing with it
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GWG aaronpk: Thanks, going to do some bug fixes
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aaronpk in general we're trying to reduce the number of different ways things happen with microsub
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swentel that's a good thing
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GWG I withdraw my objection
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swentel having to account for different values is always painful
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dougbeal Anyone use Nginx with multiple server_name's and letsencrypt? I have broken something and letsencrypt is mad :(
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GWG swentel: Fixed
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dougbeal Also runing in Docker
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GWG swentel: The article handling in Indigenous is not ideal though
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swentel GWG, you mean with the 'read more' button ?
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GWG swentel: Well, I'm pulling the full content from the RSS feed.
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swentel yeah, I'm not too happy with that part either
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sknebel dougbeal: what's the problem?
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GWG swentel: I'm wondering if I should do something with it on the backend
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swentel GWG, not yet, going to experiment with some things first
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dougbeal sknebel: https://dougbeal.com/.well-known/test.html gives 404
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sknebel but you have set a location block for it or it inside your webroot?
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jgmac1106 I would like if “p-summary” show that and read more,…..for rss well that it 17 flavors of soup
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dougbeal sknebel: I have a location block for it in each server_name
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sknebel hm
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sknebel permissions set?
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sknebel can you put a bit of the config in a gist?
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sknebel (really basic: remembered to reload nginx? happened waaay to often to me...)
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dougbeal the owner looks the same, does execute permissions matter?
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sknebel for the directory
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dougbeal the files are all here https://github.com/dougbeal/docker-dougbeal.com/tree/master/webserver-wordpress/conf.d
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[dougbeal] I think I was moving mount points around to have multiple sites, I will start there
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sknebel and you have /.well-known/ subfolder?
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dougbeal sknebel: yeah, has test.html and keybase.txt
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sknebel hm
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sknebel no obvious idea, but I also don't entirely understand how all your docker pieces go together in the end
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sknebel wait, try without the \ escape on the .
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sknebel ^~ isn'ta regex afaik
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jacky dougbeal: I do
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jacky what's up?
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jacky hmm
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dougbeal Looks like ^~ disables regex
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jacky what version of nginx are you on?
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jacky I'm looking at http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#location
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jacky and I might be speed reading this wrong but this: "A location can either be defined by a prefix string, or by a regular expression. Regular expressions are specified with the preceding “~*” modifier (for case-insensitive matching), or the “~” modifier (for case-sensitive matching). " seems to indicate that only * is regex-friendly
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dougbeal 1.15.8
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jacky latest okay
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dougbeal That was it, the .
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dougbeal rather, then \.
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dougbeal I wonder how it every worked?
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gRegorLove woo, completed my IWC projects and posted about them before demos even :)
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GWG I let aaronpk get inside my head
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dougbeal sknebel++
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dougbeal jacky++
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dougbeal I can haz ssl again! ;)
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gRegorLove dougbeal, we fixed a small indiewebify.me issue that was saying your h-card was representative when it was
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gRegorLove *wasn't representative when it *was*
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dougbeal gRegorLove: nice
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dougbeal gRegorLove++
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dougbeal Does serving mp3 files require anything special in the way of nginx config?
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jacky nope
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jacky just another binary file
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/24/well-gonna-call-it-quits-and-demo
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] well gonna call it quits and demo my updates on webmention badges....I have littered the web with my failed attempts to simply have an html form publish a guestbook on my wesbite. form building should be "hello world" but I not ready. Got closeish: t...
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] look at your double webmention. One from Twitter coming in as Gravatar have seen this from [mrkrndvs] as well
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dougbeal jgmac1106: I marked up the links and send again, and enabled twitter the second time
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dougbeal jgmac1106: so its an update ;)
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