#dev 2019-03-27

2019-03-27 UTC
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GWG [eddie]: Adding more issues to Micropub
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[eddie] GWG: awesome! 👍
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GWG [eddie]: Just added some more
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@aswath ↩️ @rektide Using a single and your own id is not excluded. Consider WebID and indieauth. (twitter.com/_/status/1110711549939855367)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ were you talking receipt as in a business transaction? Check out h-product. I thought you meant more like documenting receipt not receipt of sale. I am experimenting with using webmentions as receipts for e-commerce stores. Also checkout… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/27/joshnuss-were-you-talking-receipt-as-in (twitter.com/_/status/1110719180532273155)
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@jgmac1106 I am now experimenting with send a reply post, and thus a webmention, as a purchase receipt. You could include the info there. For me I work mainly with artists. Want to give people stuff to display on their websites but more probably Instagram. Even if… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/27/i-am-now-experimenting-with-send-a (twitter.com/_/status/1110723050943713280)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Really though nothing out there is consuming my h-product so it all comes down to me having fun and @snipcart metadata... Though if @snipcart added an mf2 parser... and webmentions receipt I wouldn't have to repeat myself.... Make for a cool #IndieWeb… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/27/really-though-nothing-out-there-is-consuming (twitter.com/_/status/1110724819190984704)
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[grantcodes] !tell jacky My browser extension already has bookmark to micropub built in, but may be in a state of disrepair right now....
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [grantcodes]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 11 hours, 55 minutes ago: we did not win the Mozilla Responsible Computer Science Award will loop you both into next grant https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/26/didnt-win-mozilla-responsible-computer-science-challenge-makes-me-0
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GWG I still would like some comments on q=last
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/10
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Loqi [dshanske] #10 q=last on media endpoint
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GWG I added a few other long-standing proposals for discussion
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GWG Hoping to settle a fe6
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GWG few
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@chipotlecoyote ↩️ Well, it's basically blog hosting; behind the scenes it's using webmentions, RSS, and other indieweb standards. It'd be possible to participate in it without paying for it. (twitter.com/_/status/1110899163951095808)
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@megasoft012 Dweb: Identity for the Decentralized Web with IndieAuth http://www.test-net.org/2019/03/27/dweb-identity-for-the-decentralized-web-with-indieauth/ https://t.co/6UgYYt21nu (twitter.com/_/status/1110905722978615302)
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cweiske real url is: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/10/dweb-identity-for-the-decentralized-web-with-indieauth/
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swentel hmm yeah, I figured that was kind of spammy
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Loqi swentel: [eddie] left you a message 18 hours, 29 minutes ago: Does Indigenous for Android (and IndieWeb Drupal module) support the Micropub post visibility property? https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Visibility I think I remember you mentioning that but, not 100% sure
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swentel !tell [eddie] none do at the moment
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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swentel !tell [eddie] Drupal doesn't have that concept, so not probably going to get in any time soon. Might expose it in indigenous via a setting maybe one day.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 @megasoft012 pretty cool you are syndicating openly licensed material http://www.test-net.org/2019/03/27/dweb-identity-for-the-decentralized-web-with-indieauth/ and then profiting on other's work. Totally allowed with a CC-BY-SA license found on https://hacks.mozilla.org but it would be even better, if you followed… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/27/megasoft012-pretty-cool-you-are-syndicating-openly (twitter.com/_/status/1110928383720996865)
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[eddie] swentel: ohhhh okay. No worries, just trying to make sure all use cases were collected 🙂
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Jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] That test-net site requires me to disable my ad blocker. Yeah, no.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeremycherfas In fact, he's not much more than a link farmer.
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[jgmac1106] total nonsense....claims copyright on all the work as well
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[tantek] If they're reposting CC-BY-SA work without the license they're violating it and that's worth pointing out to @ creativecommons (and publicly to @ mozhacks as well)
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[tantek] e.g. you can't "claim copyright on all the work" if the original is from CC-BY-SA
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[tantek] or maybe they're trying to pollute the "upload filters" 😛
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aaronpk spam blogs gonna spam
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aaronpk Not really worth drawing attention to them
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GWG !tell swentel Explain this indiepush thing to me?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] https://github.com/peplin/gpxviewer so now that I am downloading my gpx data I am trying to figure out how to display the map data.....I already had too many things I wanted to do this weekend already
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[jgmac1106] would prefer a non google maps since they started charging and that messed up a ton of educators
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[eddie] Mapbox has a free tier and I believe they support uploading GPX as a dataset
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GWG I have been playing with wikimedia maps
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[jgmac1106] https://twitter.com/brucel/status/1110951235933347841 this is an elightening mistake as [tantek] always reminding my to validate my long form writing: https://twitter.com/brucel/status/1110951235933347841
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@brucel Validate your HTML. We didn't when we published an article yesterday. It looked fine in all the browsers. But a mis-nested <span><del></span></del> caused this on iPhone's Reeder app (HT @pepelsbey_ ). Not every renderer of HTML is as forgiving as browsers. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2rj73sW0AIcE0i.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1110951235933347841)
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[tantek] That kind of error makes me question the usability of SGML (or XML for that matter) requiring explicit naming in close tags. e.g. if instead of </span> or </del> you could write just </> then you would never have that kind of tag overlap problem
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[jgmac1106] ahh thx
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[jgmac1106] eddie looks like no gpx upload in mapbox: GeoJSON, JSON or CSV file here.
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[eddie] oh weird. I thought they did, sorry [jgmac1106]
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[jgmac1106] ahh no apologies...I am really supposed to be working.....but now displaying this is eating my attention...can't give in to the festering
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[tantek] designing the markup for "untag" is an interesting case of scope
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[tantek] just adding an "untag-of" property would "work" but would also imply the possible need to others for other properties / responses.
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[tantek] also the name is not necessarily correct, and you may be removing the tag someone else added, thus it's not really an "un-*" action, it's a remove or delete
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[tantek] Micropub already has the notion of deleting properties or specific property values, so I'd rather built on that if possible
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[tantek] while Micropub usually takes it's syntax from microformats, in this case the point would be to explore the opposite, to figure out the mf2 equivalent for the Micropub remove/"delete" operation: https://micropub.net/draft/#remove
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@schnarfed ↩️ /me reluctantly subscribes to this thread for https://brid.gy/. i haven't yet fully ramped up on articles 11/13, and it's hosted in the US, and non-commercial...but i assume i'll still need to eventually. (i did for GDPR: https://brid.gy/about#gdpr) (twitter.com/_/status/1110964918390382592)
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[tantek] one way to provide equivalent markup for the Micropub semantic could be a "delete-of" property, the links to a URL, and then the other properties in the h-entry e.g. category could determine which property values to remove
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[tantek] should also work for requesting removal of person-tags
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[tantek] perhaps even a particular u-photo from a post
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[tantek] both of those latter scenarios would be good examples of posts you would not put into any feeds, their sole purpose is a permalink from which to send a webmention
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[tantek] yet you may want to still include in a feed, delete-of posts for removing say GitHub labels
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[tantek] what are timezones
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Loqi Timezones are names used to highlight regions on the globe that are used to define a uniform time for society's use (legal, finance, social) https://indieweb.org/timezones
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[tantek] timezones << https://codeblog.jonskeet.uk/2019/03/27/storing-utc-is-not-a-silver-bullet/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://codeblog.jonskeet.uk/2019/03/27/storing-utc-is-not-a-silver-bullet/" to the "See Also" section of /timezone https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58653&oldid=56210
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[tantek] this is so good: "Principle of preserving supplied data"
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[tantek] directly applicable to all indieweb UX, publishing etc.
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aaronpk "only store UTC" is bad advice. that's not enough information to reconstruct a date to display
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aaronpk i store the authored date in the local time in my canonical storage (files), and index UTC *plus* the offset in the database for easier sorting/filtering
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aaronpk if you don't store the offset of the authored date, then you can't create date permalinks that reflect the date the post was authored
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[tantek] exactly. and that blog post does a *very* thorough job of walking folks through that.
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aaronpk quite thorough
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GWG I am trying to pick something to work on this weekend
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GWG I need to build a test site for New Haven just in case
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GWG aaronpk, what haven't I built into Indieauth?
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[tantek] aaronpk, I'm curious what you think from a high level design perspective of pursuing a Micropub-parallel markup style for things like requesting adding (or removing!) tags, people, location from (other people's) existing posts: https://indieweb.org/edit#add_remove_properties_on_other_posts
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[tantek] I was trying to solve the markup for /untag posts and eventually realized it's just one special case of posts to add/remove properties in general, so I tried to document a few approaches to consider (including I think your proposal/example of how to show an update to a photo of your h-card)
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