#dev 2019-03-30

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jacky I'm tinkering with building a microsub server and this is something I'd love to surface
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jacky it'd be a more reliable way of showing it instead of relying on a post to show reply information
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@chrisbiscardi ↩️ @jhooks great addition to https://github.com/ChristopherBiscardi/gatsby-plugin-webmention ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1111812655818260481)
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aaronpk jacky: i want to figure that out. Monocle/Aperture don't do anything like that yet. I haven't figured out the right way to connect all the pieces together yet
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aaronpk If you're building an all-in-one solution then you already have all the information you need to make it work, but I've set myself up for a challenge making my microsub and micropub servers completely separate systems
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@Scoundrel666 adafruit: RT schmarty: Loving the Adafruit #PyPortal as an #IndieWeb powered photo device. Uses #Microsub and #IndieAuth building blocks. Code to come! https://t.co/PU6YdsgRwI (twitter.com/_/status/1111888315891007488)
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@miami6 RT:(@adafruit) RT @schmarty: Loving the @Adafruit #PyPortal as an #IndieWeb powered photo device. Uses #Microsub and #IndieAuth building blocks. Code to come! https://t.co/K4nHUggwUj #raspberrypi #aurdino #tech #forbesTech #forbes https://twitter.com/adafruit/status/1111718676292603905 #technology #doncaster… (twitter.com/_/status/1111903439393574912)
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Zegnat What is HTML?
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Loqi HTML (HyperText Markup Language) is the language used to create web pages, thus one of the building blocks of the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/HTML
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Zegnat HTML << [https://htmlparser.info/ <cite>Idiosyncracies of the HTML parser</cite>] by Simon Pieters (zcorpan), in-progress book about the history, specs, and parsing of HTML
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://htmlparser.info/ <cite>Idiosyncracies of the HTML parser</cite>] by Simon Pieters (zcorpan), in-progress book about the history, specs, and parsing of HTML" to the "See Also" section of /HTML https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58811&oldid=57255
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[grantcodes] !tell aaronpk, jacky I think the solution to microsub clients getting existing likes / replies is in micropub queries. My micropub endpoint supports property queries (https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4#issuecomment-412349552) so its possible to see if i have liked a given url. But to do that for an entire feed of posts would be a lot of requests
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat It feels almost like you’d want the Microsub server to support some type of additional state for every entry, possibly supplied by the client. So if a client knows it has sent a like through Micropub, it can tell the Microsub server to store the property “liked=true”
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aaronpk The problem is when clients the microsub server is not aware of creates likes
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Loqi aaronpk: [grantcodes] left you a message 14 minutes ago: I think the solution to microsub clients getting existing likes / replies is in micropub queries. My micropub endpoint supports property queries (https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4#issuecomment-412349552) so its possible to see if i have liked a given url. But to do that for an entire feed of posts would be a lot of requests
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Zegnat aaronpk, true. It was really just the first short-cut solution that I could think of. I haven’t been working on implementing microsub yet so I haven’t had a need to care for this issue yet either
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aaronpk Yeah, that was my first thought too but I don't think making a half solution like that is a good idea
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GWG I still want references in Microsub
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sknebel references?
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GWG The jf2 spec says you can add additional information about a URL in a reference property.
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[grantcodes] I think all the main readers already support references
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GWG Really?
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GWG Is it noted somewhere?
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sknebel it's part of jf2
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GWG I meant, supported in which endpoints and clients
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aaronpk Aperture doesn't fetch external content so you might not be seeing it there
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GWG Curious about enhancing bookmarks and likes to show more than a URL
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Zegnat Hmm, looks like micro.blog doesn’t do 402 Gone for deleted posts? (https://www.manton.org/2019/03/11/exporting-a-blog.html VS https://web.archive.org/web/20190321072454/https://www.manton.org/2019/03/11/exporting-a-blog.html)
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sebsel 410 Gone that is?
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sebsel 402 = Payment stuff
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GWG aaronpk: How is development on Compass?
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GWG Just forked compass. Setting up an instance
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[grantcodes] GWG: Well together definitely supports references and I think indigenous too
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[grantcodes] I see it mainly in granary twitter feeds that embed the referenced likes and reposts in the content.
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GWG [grantcodes]: Do you have an example?
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[grantcodes] What sort of example do you want? jf2 json or a screenshot?
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GWG An example of the json and what it looks like?
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[grantcodes] Here's a repost from my granary feed: https://pastebin.com/HgDE0t9c
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[grantcodes] https://www.dropbox.com/s/0eqppq8ayaog5gp/repost-example.jpg?dl=0
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[grantcodes] And that is what it looks like in together
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[grantcodes] Although it is missing the text in the repost because I thought indieweb reposts were not really meant to have their own content, but I might have been wrong on that
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[jgmac1106] sebsel it was moneystuff
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[jgmac1106] maybe we just continue ecommerce on that page
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/moneystuff
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GWG I have Compass installed
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GWG Okay, Compass plus GPSLogger is online
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[Rose] Woot!
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Loqi woot
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sebsel GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (177 in all channels)
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GWG So, all I need now is to enhance my site to work with it
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GWG Does Compass allow for uploading a massive geodata file?
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sebsel you could try feeding it to the endpoint?
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sebsel But the QuartzDB underneath it will store them out of order I guess
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sebsel so I suppose you could create the QuartzDB files yourself? feels hacky
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GWG The QuartzDB would stor ethem by date
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GWG I have dates
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[eddie] GWG I’ve been wondering about importing previous dates into Compass as well. I have a couple of things I want to do. First off, I have some older location data from Moves app and from manual physical GPS tracking item.
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[eddie] Secondly I’d like to use the photos I’ve taken on my iPhones over the past 6+ years with geodata and turn those into tracking points inside of Compass
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GWG [eddie]: Ideas on how?
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[eddie] Nope, it’s something I’ve been thinking about but I haven’t looked at the Compass code to figure out if it allows importing previous dated stuff or not
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[eddie] I think it doesn’t so I’ve been thinking I’d have to probably export the data files
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[eddie] The other option is using the QuartzDB library without Compass maybe
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GWG [eddie]: Each location has a timestamp.
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GWG So, just send a giant body
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[eddie] But I think Compass only opens the current day’s file?
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[eddie] So anything before the current day I don’t think would end up in the right file
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[eddie] Correct
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[Rose] I think compass stores 1 file per day
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[Rose] Couldn't you just add files for the previous days?
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[eddie] Yes
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[eddie] I think that’s what you have to do, manually create the files
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[eddie] Either through your own script or using the separate QuartzDB php library to create they historical files
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[Rose] Yup, that's what I would do, but I don't have previous data
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GWG I asked Google to expoort my location history as a KML, so I can convert to GeoJSON and send it in
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[Rose] Oh, that's a good point.
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[Rose] Maybe they have data on me too.
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Loqi jacky: [grantcodes] left you a message 8 hours, 42 minutes ago: I think the solution to microsub clients getting existing likes / replies is in micropub queries. My micropub endpoint supports property queries (https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4#issuecomment-412349552) so its possible to see if i have liked a given url. But to do that for an entire feed of posts would be a lot of requests
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jacky what is email
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport, with typical user interfaces that enables a wide range of message formats and styles https://indieweb.org/email
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jacky grantcodes[m]: that sounds like a do-able solution tbh
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jacky grantcodes[m]: how many could that _actually_ be? I guess now it's dependent on implementation but that'd take forever with my setup since information like `like-of` and `in-reply-to` isn't stored in Koype's database (only to disk)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, does anyone use 2fa to access their site?
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jacky ben_thatmustbeme: I do because I didn't want to handle with passwords (I keep 818 unique passwords at the moment)
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ben_thatmustbeme how do you do it?
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jacky I use a generated (every 30 seconds) code with a pre-shared secret
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jacky TOTP
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jacky planning to extend it to allow for trusted devices in the future so my phone can get an alert / request to authorize my request a bit like https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/microsoft-authenticator/9nblgggzmcj6?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
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jacky ben_thatmustbeme: you considering it?
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ben_thatmustbeme wait, you mean you are using ONLY TOTP?
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ben_thatmustbeme or TOTP + Password?
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jacky only TOTP :)
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/article/2014/10/16/1/totp_and_you
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ben_thatmustbeme i would recommend you go back to using a password
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ben_thatmustbeme basically you are using 1fa, just with a short password that happens to change
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ben_thatmustbeme the reason i asked is i have been looking at what sites are supporting webauthn
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/webauthn.html
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jacky hm I know I scanned it but I didn't find a mention of rotating the secret used for TOTP
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ben_thatmustbeme wait, the TOTP pre-shared key is randomly generated too?
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ben_thatmustbeme i mean, it doesn't really make much difference, its still a 6 digit password that changes over time
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jacky I treat it like a password (b/c it is) - both the code _and_ the secret used to generate the code
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ben_thatmustbeme the chances of guessing it are actually better than just a long password
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ben_thatmustbeme agreed it is just a password
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ben_thatmustbeme also, wow, i need to wake the kids
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ben_thatmustbeme they have been napping for a long time
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jacky they're charging for spring
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme they were up super late last night for a show in boston
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jacky ohh
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ben_thatmustbeme paw patrol live
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ben_thatmustbeme but anyway, yeah, i would still recommend switching to a password manager or something
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[jgmac1106] Ready for a ruff ruff rescue, what happens when pups don't use 2fa
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ben_thatmustbeme Haha
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GWG !tell aaronpk How do you feel about alternative web hooks that send GET requests?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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