@PupaBeaumont↩️ Según guitarras fuertes, bajos y baterías densas, hablamos de metal como un gran subgénero del rock proveniente del blues, hardrock y hasta la psicodelia rockera. Hay microsub géneros como el Doom, Thrash, Deep, Death... Y fusiones con el Industrial, Punk y sonidos electrónicos. (twitter.com/_/status/1123044205427855361)
[tantek]!tell snarfed figured out my broken atom feed. Turns out a PHP 5.3 -> 7.2.13 update (when I migrated web hosts) changed how unspecified/default params worked, and a call without params which used to work started silently breaking. Fixed and cranked my feed items up to 64 so anyone polling should see everything posted since I migrated.
ZegnatSQLite themselves tried something like this to make it an archive (think zip) format. And the idea is pretty good, because you have infinite extensibility through tables
GWGZegnat, I realized that if you get a token from the WordPress IndieAuth endpoint, it doesn't lock down permissions. It relies on the Micropub or other endpoint to do so
sebselBut IndieAuth does not prescribe a update-scope, right? The server (so wordpress) can say: these are my scopes. And then in the IndieAuth flow, these scopes are just passed along as a list.
sebselIt's the user that picks the scopes from that list that seem reasonable for the app to have. And the app can make suggestions like "I want to update things", but in the end it's up to the server to declare and the user to pick
ZegnatYeah, I am still not sure what the correct way to continue there is. Obviously clients must ask for scopes, and it is good to standardise those. But if you control the entire flow, you are free to add and check for completely different scopes
ZegnatE.g. a client requesting "create" could be given a token that contains the scope "wordpress/update". And the WP Micropub endpoint may ignore "create" completely and only check for "wordpress/update" to see if the current request is allowed to update an existing post
ZegnatThe problem with this is if your micropub endpoint and indieauth endpoint are separate software. Then your auth endpoint need to know about the scopes the mp endpoint wants
ZegnatE.g. is there an expectation that there will be a profile name for authentication, always? Or will everyone who wants a display name need to request full profile scope
ZegnatI was just thinking in case you were putting account info in there that is available in the WP backend but not neccessarily made public through the site
ZegnatI think one of the future reasons for this option we had in mind was for platforms that might be interested in supporting indieauth as login option. That way they can have a display name and photo, e.g. for discussion forums
[jgmac1106]eventually I want group social readers, I would love to have multiple people authenticate into same channels, would provide functionality dispalying who is logged in
[tantek]Ruxton, cweiske, thanks for heads up. It’s possible I changed my atom IDs to use https rather than http which would have changed everything, or I had 40+ new posts since I transferred hosts more than a month ago
[tantek]I did up the number of items to 64 so that feed subscribers would see everything I posted since IWC Austin which is when I started the site transfer process.
[jgmac1106]Job for Elixir folks or those with passion for back end development ....and you can make sure all the building blocks get added...they are using React on the front end
Loqisnarfed: [tantek] left you a message 13 hours, 29 minutes ago: figured out my broken atom feed. Turns out a PHP 5.3 -> 7.2.13 update (when I migrated web hosts) changed how unspecified/default params worked, and a call without params which used to work started silently breaking. Fixed and cranked my feed items up to 64 so anyone polling should see everything posted since I migrated.
[jgmac1106], [eddie], snarfed and [tantek] joined the channel
[eddie]Essentially purging the article's data but holding on to this small bit of metadata allows you to know that you've seen the post before (and WHEN) even if it's hanging around in a feed with no date
[Rose]If it used the GUID as the ID, theoretically it would also fix the NPR issue that just happened with podcasts (they put everything in everyone else's feeds)
snarfedmore importantly, aperture is a service, but netnewswire is a local app (i think?), so the decisions around storage and cost are totally different
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "netnewswire" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "netnewswire is ____", a sentence describing the term)
GWGAnd the other question is whether there is an easier way to maintain. Maybe spinning the IndieAuth external code into a repo that can be included in multiple plugins
aaronpkhuh my inclination is to think of the indieauth plugin as reducing the number of moving parts, and since i'd already be selfhosting the wordpress blog, it's not another thing to self-host since it's built in
snarfedbut it also switches the underlying auth from silo to self-hosted, and i do some slightly exotic things with that, which i'd rather not depend on a plugin integrating nicely with
snarfedoh i'm sure it might. i just like to outsource as much plumbing as i can to bigger cos and silos instead of self-hosting. better maintenance, security, etc, and still swappable when necessary without user-visible changes
@PupaBeaumont ↩️ Según guitarras fuertes, bajos y baterías densas, hablamos de metal como un gran subgénero del rock proveniente del blues, hardrock y hasta la psicodelia rockera. Hay microsub géneros como el Doom, Thrash, Deep, Death... Y fusiones con el Industrial, Punk y sonidos electrónicos. (twitter.com/_/status/1123044205427855361)
[tantek] !tell snarfed figured out my broken atom feed. Turns out a PHP 5.3 -> 7.2.13 update (when I migrated web hosts) changed how unspecified/default params worked, and a call without params which used to work started silently breaking. Fixed and cranked my feed items up to 64 so anyone polling should see everything posted since I migrated.
[kevinmarks786] Interesting Geo format. Is sqlite the new car for static Data? https://www.geopackage.org/
sebsel hm, although the wiki indeed mentions a fixed list https://indieweb.org/scope
Zegnat A scope was mentioned in the discussion, GWG: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-18#t1550532726528800
[jgmac1106] eventually I want group social readers, I would love to have multiple people authenticate into same channels, would provide functionality dispalying who is logged in
[kevinmarks] @GWG - for the 'I'm not my cousin' case: http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#Identity_Consolidation
@jackjamieson ↩️ IndieAuth for WordPress Question by David Shanske
> Thinking about the necessity of maintaining IndieAuth code in the Micropub plugin and now the Yarns Microsub plugin for WordPress. I wanted to put out to any WordPress user for some input. The… https://jackjamieson.net/?p=5334 (twitter.com/_/status/1123254415819980805)
Loqi snarfed: [tantek] left you a message 13 hours, 29 minutes ago: figured out my broken atom feed. Turns out a PHP 5.3 -> 7.2.13 update (when I migrated web hosts) changed how unspecified/default params worked, and a call without params which used to work started silently breaking. Fixed and cranked my feed items up to 64 so anyone polling should see everything posted since I migrated.
[cleverdevil] Some interesting details from Brent Simmons on his plans for sync in NetNewsWire - http://inessential.com/2019/04/29/netnewswire_syncing_implementation_roadm
[eddie] Very interesting. aaronpk had talked about this strange behavior issue he had run into with Aperture. This is an interesting solution https://github.com/brentsimmons/NetNewsWire/blob/master/Technotes/ArticlesAndStatuses.markdown#strange-behavior
gRegorLove what is netnewswire?
GWG snarfed, what do you think of...https://david.shanske.com/2019/04/28/indieauth-for-wordpress-question/