#dev 2019-05-11

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kisik21 So... is there something close to a canonical syntax for indieweb/micropub-extensions#4 (aka Query for Post List) filters? I'm definitely gonna need it for my project and I really want to have something that will be useful outside of my code, meaning at least one other implementation (preferably client) supports it.
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kisik21 Please !tell me if you have an answer and I'm disconnecting for now because I need some sleep
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@pardel Great first presentation at @indiewebcamp from @aaronpk on webmentions. Thank you! Blogpost on topic: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention #indieweb #webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1127156066498772997)
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sebsel Zegnat++ for the notes on the private posts UI session
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Loqi Zegnat has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (147 in all channels)
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sebsel They just appeared during the session
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sebsel as we where talking
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sebsel it was magical
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Zegnat Same with the URL one before that ;)
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Zegnat I am just paying it forward, someone else did the same in Berlin (though embarrassed to say I forgot who!)
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[Rose] JackJamieson for Vouch
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[Rose] Jackjamison++
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[Rose] JackJamieson++
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@m_ott ↩️ @derSchepp @bubaumann @webrocker @eleven_ty @mxbck https://mxb.dev/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1127206692477898752)
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@mxbck ↩️ Bummed that I can't go myself this year. I've sent @matuzo to represent for Vienna ;) But yeah, maybe this could be helpful for you: https://github.com/maxboeck/eleventy-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1127207807055540224)
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kisik21 Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Hiya kisik21!
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kisik21 yea I'm here
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kisik21 a lot has happened in my life
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kisik21 so ya girl tries to chill out a bit by trying to code
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kisik21 and I'm still stuck at filtering the ?q=source query
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kisik21 because I'm not sure if we have something close to accepted syntax for that
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kisik21 Ugh I dream of showing all of my notes about this to you people but I can't post them anywhere since my blog is down!!!
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kisik21 I even drew a cute scheme of how the various parts interact
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jacky ooh kisik21 those feels </3
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Zegnat That feeling whenever your blog is down! … I might spent hack day tomorrow working on that problem on my end
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jacky I've opted to keep a "local" test copy of my site just for this (largely for big breaking changes)
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[grantcodes] kisik21: re micropub query filters I think Eddie and I probably have the most experimental features implemented and think they are documented in that GitHub thread
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kisik21 and nobody else?
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kisik21 @grantcodes: so basically whichever implementation I choose becomes canonical because my implementation will act as a tie breaker?
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jacky I'm aiming to add some over the coming weeks
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jacky kisik21: eh, I think it's more of a numbers game
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jacky whichever implementation has the higher # of people implementing it
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kisik21 I'm a little bit confused over post types though. I want my implementation to be post-type agnostic because it bitten me in the butt in my previous engine. It severely restricted what I can post because supporting new stuff was requiring me to add new post types and I want to get rid of it
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kisik21 because it makes for overly long permalinks
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kisik21 i mean, why make it /notes/1029343224, where you can make it /p/2Gax1?
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kisik21 (I also wanted to adopt newbase60 for permalinks, contracting the Unix timestamp of the post as the default slug)
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Zegnat There was an entire session on URL design today in Düsseldorf
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Zegnat What is URLs How?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URLs How" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "URLs How is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21 Oh gods I missed it?!!
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kisik21 Seriously?
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kisik21 Should've attended that
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/urls
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[grantcodes] Don't think there are any conflicting implementations yet, just some with extra queries
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Zegnat You can already watch it, kisik21
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Zegnat All sessions from before lunch are on YouTube and linked from the session grid on https://indieweb.org/2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule
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Zegnat Which I just realised I am not linking to in the right way because I was copy pasting wiki templates. Argh
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kisik21 grantcodes: I like your implementation by the way, it is infinitely extensible and I like it
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kisik21 so I guess I'll steal it
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[grantcodes] Ha yeah go for it.
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[eddie] !tell kisik21,grantcodes also Micro.blog supports *some* Micropub query filters so that’s pretty big
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vilhalmer hello hello
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vilhalmer it has been a while
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vilhalmer I'm finally implementing activitypub, and I'm wondering if anyone has experience with http signatures as used by mastodon's implementation; specifically any guidelines on how to verify that the key given in the signature should actually be trusted
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vilhalmer I'm validating the signatures successfully but that doesn't necessarily imply they came from the right person at all
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kisik21 Should all GET requests to Micropub endpoints require a token? Maybe there's something I missed?
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Loqi kisik21: [eddie] left you a message 6 minutes ago: also Micro.blog supports *some* Micropub query filters so that’s pretty big
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vilhalmer (the obvious one would be verifying that the key is on the same domain that the message originated from, but this may not always be true afaict)
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kisik21 eddie: where are these documented exactly? I mean, which ones are supported?
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aaronpk vilhalmer: you might try asking in #social on the W3C irc server, there's a lot more people there who have implemented it
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vilhalmer thanks, I'll check it out
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[Rose] Do media endpoints have different auth keys to micropub? I'm getting {"error":"forbidden","error_description":"User is not permitted to upload files"}
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kisik21 Your token probably lacks a "media" scope. Check your Micropub/media endpoint documentation for details on scopes...
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kisik21 Rose: oops forgot to mention
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[Rose] No worries for forgetting to mention. And good point! But in this case I have all the scopes.
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[Rose] It definitely has a media scope, just triple checked.
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kisik21 Rose: which software are you using?
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[eddie] kisik21: Micro.blog is documented here: https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4#issuecomment-477668911
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Loqi [manton] Support for q=source (and editing and deleting posts) has been deployed on Micro.blog. It uses the MF2-style JSON as described on the wiki for the response. Thanks y'all!
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[eddie] Essentially it doesn’t filter posts currently, it just responds with a paginated list of posts
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kisik21 nonono, I asked about filtering!
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kisik21 Sad that micro.blog doesn't do filtering
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[eddie] Ohhhh I missed that!
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[eddie] Yeah filtering is still HIGHLY experimental and there is no consensus
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[eddie] post-type is pretty commonly accepted among the few that even have Micropub Post List Query, but again any of that can change based on lack of implementations. Feel free to experiment on your site and provide your input on #4!
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kisik21 Ok then! Will do!
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[eddie] kisik21 also about your “post type” confusion mentioned above. You’re right it’s not good to have your system heavily based on post types.
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[eddie] BUT for post type filtering, the idea is using the Post Type Discovery to determine the ‘current’ type of any post
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[eddie] So a post can start as a note and convert to an article if it is updated with a name
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[eddie] What is PTD?
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for consuming code to determine the type of a post by its content properties and their values rather than an explicit “post type” property, thus better matched to modern post creation UIs that allow combining text, media, etc in a variety of ways without burdening users with any notion of what kind of post they are creating https://indieweb.org/PTD
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[eddie] That is how we can refer to post types while remaining flexible posts
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kisik21 Why do we even need post types? It's the content that matters. One may wrap a presentation around post types maybe, but is there anything else?
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Zegnat Not really. It is more a conventon than anything else. A way to say “a post with properties X and Y can be called Z”
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[tantek] kisik21, right, no system should actually require explicit post types. They're mostly there for interop with pre-existing systems that are dependent on explicit post types in their data model.
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[tantek] it's the content *and* UI that matters, and that UI can depend on any combination of properties that makes sense
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aaronpk kisik21: I also moved away from a post type based storage to a generic storage where I can style different properties of posts appropriately
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jacky so yo
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jacky I'm thinking about some interactions with my social reader (more in planning re-implementation)
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jacky if I wanted to response to a post in the reader, I think I'd want to opt for a bit of parsing to insure the intended action occurs. like I don't know if it's safe to assume everyone has implemented salmention or what not
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jacky like if I see Bobby liking a post of Carol, I'm essentially looking at Carol's post
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jacky (my reader would parse out the underlying post something like how Twitter does here: https://i.imgur.com/eU57A4F.png)
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jacky might be interesting for microsub clients as prior art: https://blog.feedly.com/mute-filters/