#dev 2019-05-26

2019-05-26 UTC
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aaronpk response << https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/27/google-dumps-video-responses-from-youtube-due-to-dismal-0004-click-through-rate/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/27/google-dumps-video-responses-from-youtube-due-to-dismal-0004-click-through-rate/" to the "See Also" section of /responses https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61692&oldid=55534
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sknebel [Glenn_Dixon]: so regarding storage, you kind of have to make a decision how you want to do it
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sknebel generally, the more recommended approach is to have things like photo, reply-to, ... in meta data of some kind and have theming etc take care of turning it into HTML, and not bake it into stored content
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sknebel because it makes changing it up later and editing it easier
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sknebel but of course it depends on how well you can reflect that in Hugo etc - I haven't used it
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sknebel What is Hugo?
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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sknebel I wonder if there's any clever tools for munging YAML front matter into a different format
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petermolnar if there are, I'm interested...
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petermolnar btw, I store replies, webmentions, syndication data in separate files
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petermolnar each entry has a folder, with a main index.md
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petermolnar and everything that's related is in the same folder
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[Glenn_Dixon] might be an opportunity to explore Hugo's data templates https://gohugo.io/templates/data-templates/
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[Glenn_Dixon] [sknebel] Hugo has built-in conversion to convert in-between yaml/toml/json
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sebsel nice: reimplementing Microsub, cannot find anything about a standardized format of errors, going to file an issue, issue exists, with a +1 of myself from the last time I worked with Microsub
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sebsel can I +1 it again? I feel like I'm a different implementer now :P
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GWG I am looking at the xml feeds generated by WordPress. RSS, RSS2, and Atom. Trying to decide if it's worth fixing the output solely for things like micro.blog
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GWG I think I found Manton's recommendation
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jeremycherfas !tell [Rose] I created a new repo for my listens (same name) with appropriate gitignore etc.
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [Rose] left you a message 21 hours, 49 minutes ago: Yes, there's no need to start from nothing.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar what is exactly wrong with micro.blog vs wordress rss?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "exactly wrong with micro.blog vs wordress rss" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "exactly wrong with micro.blog vs wordress rss is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] gwg please, please do the RSS feeds maybe [jackjamieson] could help. I tried but couldnt figure out the templating for the taxonomies
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[jgmac1106] last I checked the xml for a few of the post kinds was slightly off in a way that messes up most rss readers people use
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[jgmac1106] ...I never checked but it was people telling me my feeds for bookmarks and quotes were broken
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[Rose] I don't think it's micro.blog per sae. But titleless posts in RSS
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[jgmac1106] ugh my modem just died...gonna need to rent a crappy one from ISP until I can afford new one
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GWG I need a way of testing it though
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[jgmac1106] using my hotspot on my cell service (which is low for now)
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[jgmac1106] I am going to my archive now
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GWG How do I test how it shows up in a feed reader?
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[jgmac1106] ...when I discovered my modem died
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sknebel [Rose]: afaik the problem is also that if you have a title, micro.blog thinks you're submitting an article instead of showing the content?
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[jgmac1106] look at the xml file
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[jgmac1106] let me see, I can try a free inoreader account as well
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Zegnat Doesn’t micro.blog support JSON feeds, which would sidestep the entire titless issue?
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GWG Zegnat, the jsonfeed is much better
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GWG I maintain that plugin right now
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GWG Still need to make some fixes
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Zegnat Not sure if you need to fix any of the other feeds for microblog then, just make the recommendation that people use the jsonfeed plugin if they want to put their feed into microblog?
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Zegnat IIRC the jsonfeed has built-in support for titleless stuff
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snarfed GWG: testing feed rendering in third party readers is annoying. i usually copy the feed contents into a static file, serve that somewhere, and subscribe to it in the reader
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snarfed and then to repeat, just change filename
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[jgmac1106] I did see the xml has an empty title <title></title> in the last three post kinds I checked in XML do readers ignore empty tags?
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Zegnat Sometimes
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[jgmac1106] also the bigger issue is with bookmarks gwg, there is no link to the thing being bookmarked in the xml file so people can't go to the source
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[jgmac1106] though this is of November 5, 2018, if you made any changes since then let me know.
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Zegnat Isn’t there is a link in the body of your post?
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[jgmac1106] maybe a feature request rather than a bug fix then checking now what it looks like in a reader
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[jgmac1106] https://www.inoreader.com/stream/user/1004803914/tag/rsstest
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[jgmac1106] ...oops no export on free accounts
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[jgmac1106] but gwg you can log in if you want and add feeds jgregmcverry+1@gmail.com IndieWebRSSTest
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[jgmac1106] In this image you see a screenshot from ino eader from the bookmark rss feed. You see the content displayed as a title and the note. I would make the title be the thing bookmarked or include the link in the text
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[jgmac1106] gwg if you do decide to do some rss grooming I am adding the xml files for each post kind here: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/f45f0a1a19a1004c689f096d8cb929ce but again this is using data from 2018-11-30 and older
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[manton] Posts without titles are allowed in the RSS spec. So if those kind of feeds look bad in other feed readers, the best solution in my opinion is to contact the feed reader developers to encourage them to improve the display.
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[manton] That was one of the goals of Micro.blog: get people thinking about title-less, microblog posts on their blogs and improve apps to support them.
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snarfed [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (61 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] manton and with the latest updates is becoming a better and better social reader as well as community
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[manton] Thanks!
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[jgmac1106] but @gwg if you need any help with testing or we identify readers that are not displaying titleless posts well happy to reach out to people politely and then complain more broadcastly if needed
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[jgmac1106] My bookmarks were one of my most subscribed feeds people want a link to the thing being bookmarked, inside the item make <title>url</title> and then <link><a href...></link>
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GWG [manton]: Do you have a test functionality for how things would look in micro.blog other than a dummy account
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GWG The empty title thing in WordPress I want to fix
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GWG I also have to figure out how to fix issues with styling content in a reader
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GWG [jgmac1106]: That is easy enough
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[manton] @GWG Unfortunately no, there's no way to preview feeds without testing them for real in Micro.blog. I'd love to add something for that.
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GWG [manton]: Do you have best practices recommendations?
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GWG micro.blog is a popular consumer
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GWG And as much as I'd like to say.. just use jsonfeed... people don't
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GWG Also, you don't pay attention to external_url in jsonfeed, I believe
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GWG So, need to figure out what to do
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GWG [manton]: I think we need feeds.rock
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[manton] @GWG Yeah, having a more modern and/or microblog-aware validator would be neat, or just a part of Micro.blog that could preview feeds. There's no requirement that someone switch to JSON Feed. RSS is fine too.
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[manton] The best practice recommendation is really simple: short posts, no title; or longer posts, with a title. That's it. It's only when feeds include a lot of extra stuff that people run into problems.
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GWG I need to figure out the extra stuff too