#dev 2019-06-18
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[jgmac1106] oooh awfful
# [jgmac1106] herm missing the h-entry for each album...
# [jgmac1106] closer one h-entry with all the names and photos
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# [jgmac1106] question again about authorship, using this: https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftestkirby.jgregorymcverry.com%2Fphotography%2F it looks my h-card being pulled from my homepage, if so do I even need one in my footer, do I have something wrong here: http://testkirby.jgregorymcverry.com/photography/
# [jgmac1106] I guess that is three questions in a way
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106] nothing "wrong" per se. If you only want the one h-card on your homepage and not in every footer, if the Kirby templating lets you easily handle that, you could do that.
# gRegorLove If you do that, I'd suggestion putting `u-url u-uid` on the link in the homepage h-card so step 7.2 finds it instead of step 7.3 (in sturdy backbone)
# gRegorLove I don't know Kirby at all, but sometimes templating engines may not make it easy to only include the h-card on the homepage
# gRegorLove Look at aaronpk's permalinks for example. He's basically got the same setup as your testkirby site. The u-author h-card is a link to the homepage, the same footer h-card is on every page.
# gRegorLove The u-url == u-uid == https://aaronparecki.com makes step 7.2 use that as the post's author
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@johanbove ↩️ This is a great idea @jgmac1106
Learning #Badges should be implemented by @khanacademy, @udacity and @Codecademy and actually all other online learning platforms. Have you reached out to these online course providers yet?
#indieweb #webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1140890444001402880)
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Zegnat !tell snarfed,aaronpk re: whitespace in notes and the likes, sknebel and I worked on introducing context aware parsing for mf2 so whitespace would be kept for e.g. PRE elements. Turns out it is pretty hard: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-innertext
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 3 minutes ago: re: whitespace in notes and the likes, sknebel and I worked on introducing context aware parsing for mf2 so whitespace would be kept for e.g. PRE elements. Turns out it is pretty hard: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-innertext
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# [jgmac1106] gRegorLove++ thanks for help on authoring, way easier then trying to style an h-card for 12 different situations
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@jeannieindigitl Good morning, all. I could use some help. I'm trying to get IndieAuth working with my WordPress blog via the plug-in, however I keep running into various errors that I've no idea how to fix. I've tinkered as best I could with my limited knowledge and the… https://mastodon.social/jeannie (twitter.com/_/status/1140929560801873920)
# jgmac1106[m] Ahh thx, didn't know if it made a unique id for each result
# jgmac1106[m] But thx for Kirby recommedation, having fun
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# @jeannieindigitl Good morning, all. I could use some help. I'm trying to get IndieAuth working with my WordPress blog via the plug-in, however I keep running into various errors that I've no idea how to fix. I've tinkered as best I could with my limited knowledge and the… https://mastodon.social/users/jeannie (twitter.com/_/status/1140935454780469249)
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# [jgmac1106] I pointed Jeannie to the WordPress chat,
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# [jgmac1106] Only issue with Kirby so far is belief markdown is better than HTML. That's okay, plurality means respecting someone's right to be wrong
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[rem] Does anyone have working XMLRPC pingback support on their site I can test with?
# [rem] With webmention.app (not live yet!!) I want to support both webmention and pingback, but every pingback I sent gives me a 400 back…
# [kevinmarks786] Stuart maybe? https://kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/29/enabling-webmentions/
# [rem] Nope, Stuart has them turned off (going by the source of his blog and the headers in the response)
# [kevinmarks786] I think most people turned it off TBH
# [rem] I can see it still on some sites, but I always get 400, which makes me thing it's me that's bad
# [kevinmarks786] we could try my untouched 2005 wordpress site: https://kevinmarks.wordpress.com/
# [kevinmarks786] hm, not sue i have the login though
# [kevinmarks786] or the slightly less abandoned https://epeus.wordpress.com
# [rem] Same faultcode on yours too.
# [rem] This is what I'm sending:
# [rem] ```
# [rem] curl -X POST https://kevinmarks.wordpress.com/xmlrpc.php --data '<?xml version="1.0"?>
# [rem] <methodName>pingback.ping</methodName>
# [rem] <methodCall>
# [rem] <params>
# [rem] <param><value><string>https%3A//remy.jsbin.me/icy-feather-c76/</string></value></param>
# [rem] <param><value><string>https%3A//kevinmarks.wordpress.com/2005/11/26/hello-world/</string></value></param>
# [rem] </params>
# [rem] </methodCall>'
# [rem] ```
# [rem] I can't imagine that there's much that I'm missing there…
# [rem] I could update the source to actually point to your blog…
# [jgmac1106] bavatuesday.com
# [jgmac1106] displays pingbacks
# [rem] ta - I'll update my source so it's valid and test
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# [kevinmarks786] I'm not sure if WP is hiding invalid ones from me;
# [rem] Finding curl'ing really weird. My code makes the request and [jgmac1106]'s site returns HTML (not XML), but when I curl, I get partial response from the server then it bails and exits after the first char
# [jgmac1106] interesting tool for discovery: https://aggregate.stitcher.io/
# [rem] [aaronpk] I'd completely forgotten, and that does work… I'm now wondering if Akismet (an auto_check_comment function) is blocking the XMLRPC request…
# [rem] It's certainly coming from there, and I half suspect is Akismet's way of doing spam protection.
# [rem] Sod it. pingbacks work against webmention.io - that should do for me now…
# [kevinmarks786] akismet sounds likely
# [kevinmarks786] I didn't see anything in spam though
# [rem] poop. I think that's why I'm getting failed response on _most_ of the pingback calls.
# [rem] [kevinmarks786] I kept flipping from one source to another, I've got a feeling the pingback to yours wasn't valid when I started an hour so ago.
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@rem I've been playing with webmentions for a short while, and found the outgoing webmention notifications needing some help.
Details: https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions
And introducing: https://webmention.app (twitter.com/_/status/1140988456652464128)
# @rem Gah, double twitter card action…!
Anyway, I blogged - tips on receiving webmentions and how to send them out: https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1140989602225958915)
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@bashooka Send Outgoing Webmentions: http://bit.ly/2x2sy2K (twitter.com/_/status/1140990559638700032)
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@jsbunch1 Send Outgoing Webmentions http://bit.ly/2x2sy2K http://bit.ly/2InkmAA (twitter.com/_/status/1140993704708255744)
# [jgmac1106] well installing a clean install of Kirby and sendmention plugin to debug and find out that for some reason it is just not going to work on my shared host...
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@tkadlec I've been playing around with @rem's http://webmention.app and it is SUPER slick! Took me all of like...2 minutes...to have get the CLI version working as part of my build.
Here's some more background on what he built and why: https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1140996049399664640)
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# jgmac1106 Zegnat here is where we are discussing issue: https://github.com/sebastiangreger/kirby3-sendmentions/issues/ the other reason its probably my shared host is that it works on the three other people using the plugin
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@andybelldesign This looks so damn good. Webmentions are fiddly as heck and this'll take a lot of that away for you.
You know it's good if @rem made it, too. (twitter.com/_/status/1141007820604751873)
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@m_ott http://webmention.app is a platform agnostic service that will check a given URL for links to other sites, discover if they support webmentions, then send a webmention to the target.
By @rem
#IndieWeb #takebackyourweb #letsfixthis
Repo:
https://github.com/remy/wm (twitter.com/_/status/1141009442403749888)
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@zachleat Oh my—gonna be thinking about this Getting started section of @rem’s http://webmention.app for awhile. What a great way to let people tell you what they’re comfortable with in your documentation: (twitter.com/_/status/1141010340337111040)
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# @johanbove Awesome service! Will give the https://webmention.app some time for testing. Did you announce this to the #indieweb crowd at https://indieweb.org yet? (twitter.com/_/status/1141012675809468418)
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[schmarty] !tell jacky thanks for the heads-up about the extra webmention from my site. when i started putting my latest post on my front page i thought i was already ignoring it for outgoing webmebtions. 😬
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jacky [rem]++ on https://webmention.app
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@adactio Admiring the care and attention that @rem has put into the technology *and* the documentation for https://webmention.app/
So useful!
https://adactio.com/notes/15353 (twitter.com/_/status/1141026442257547264)
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# snarfed ahahaha ask aaronpk for a stipend from https://opencollective.com/indieweb
# Loqi snarfed: Zegnat left you a message 8 hours, 3 minutes ago: re: whitespace in notes and the likes, sknebel and I worked on introducing context aware parsing for mf2 so whitespace would be kept for e.g. PRE elements. Turns out it is pretty hard: https://github.com/Zegnat/php-innertext
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# [kevinmarks786] rem's documentation there is great
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@3_Alves ↩️ @mxbck @rem @Netlify Here's the link to the 10 second http://webmention.app setup on @Netlify
https://webmention.app/docs#how-to-integrate-with-netlify (twitter.com/_/status/1141039773391261696)
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@portiLinks Automate your outgoing webmentions https://webmention.app/ https://t.co/y1b4iKBnwy (twitter.com/_/status/1141047319002898433)
# gRegorLove I like webmention.app's shortcut to create a github issue if you think the results are incorrect. Nice touch.
# gRegorLove First 3 lines here were pre-populated https://github.com/remy/wm/issues/1
# gRegorLove [rem]++
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@adactioLinks Automate your outgoing webmentions https://webmention.app/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141051379269722123)
# [jgmac1106] yes @gwg they would look at the Known Open Collective, [pfefferle] puts up a tip jar, or visualthinkery Patreon or @anamolily's KickStarter..if you and some other folks did one and said we will release new themes when we hit X goals....
# [jgmac1106] I also have said you can sell a theme and then offer premium support, your gonna debug everyone anyway so you might as well collect $59 a pop anually
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# [jgmac1106] I am not. He should try to explore a way to get a cup or coffee..I mean a diet coke...for his work
# jgmac1106[m] Yes. I think theme selling or selling a theme is better approach for a patronage model... Those really favor the extrovert and agree you spend more time soliciting then building
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# gRegorLove tries the Konami Code
# gRegorLove Sadly, no.
# gRegorLove I have thought about doing a PR to add navigation between posts in monocle with j/k keys, a la Google Reader
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# gRegorLove_ It's pretty handy
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@jamey_sharp ↩️ This looks nice! I'm curious, though: did you evaluate https://github.com/strugee/lazymention or https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Pushl or https://git.cweiske.de/stapibas.git/blob/HEAD:/README.rst before building this, and if so, what kept you from using those? (They're all linked from https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services) (twitter.com/_/status/1141093707656990720)
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[eddie] I realized though Micropub.rocks tests tend to be tied to a session, so they expire, eventually don't they 😄 I used that as a lazy person's test suite but after awhile it seems like it will stop sending back data haha so I probably need to replace some of that with some hard-coded JSON, html, etc.
# snarfed [eddie]: the wordpress plugin has lots of those too, feel free to copy. https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-micropub/tree/master/tests
# @jamey_sharp ↩️ Oh, I ignored that one because https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services only described it as being able to receive webmentions, not send them.
And of course, there are plenty of good reasons to write new implementations! (twitter.com/_/status/1141097580463419392)
# @rem ↩️ There's also https://telegraph.p3k.io - but I couldn't see a way that a user could tell these services: I've blogged, make the webmention run. I wanted something like a webhook. Plus, I like building stuff :) and I got to practise new skills (particularly around docs) (twitter.com/_/status/1141102002954522625)
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@aaronpk ↩️ Don’t get me wrong, I’m super excited to see another Webmention service, but I am genuinely curious how Telegraph doesn’t look like it does what you described since that’s my exact goal with it. I clearly have a few things to learn about docs from you! (twitter.com/_/status/1141106246331691008)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ Though YMMV with that - people have run into some 500 errors. I think we are moving away from that on http://indiewebify.me in favor of using Telegraph (and maybe http://webmention.app, too!) (twitter.com/_/status/1141108539643109377)
# jacky random (aaronpk): this footer on https://telegraph.p3k.io/ is solid!
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[grantcodes] I have j/k keyboard controls in together 😉 they can definitely be a lot more complicated than you think though!
# @aaronpk ↩️ Now that you mention it, I remember that it doesn't actually do exactly the same thing. It requires you already know at least the domain of the thing you're sending the webmention to. I should probably add support for sending all webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1141111186806591490)