#dev 2019-06-19
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@qubyte New blog post published! https://qubyte.codes/blog/a-new-service-to-handle-webmention-dispatch-for-you tweet by https://tweet-new-blog-posts.glitch.me/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1141134190932627456)
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@ChrisAldrich From Following posts and blogrolls/following pages with OPML to Microsub servers and readers
#IndieWeb #WordPress #RSS
@jackjamieson @dshanske @davewiner @ylefebvre40
https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/18/from-following-posts-and-blogrolls-following-pages-with-opml-to-microsub-servers-and-readers/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141216395545305088)
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@RickCogley There is a new service to automate outgoing webmentions by Remy Sharp @rem. Check it out at https://webmention.app/
... #logr https://logr.cogley.info/2019/06/19/1560925088/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141232071542636545)
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@sil ↩️ I especially like how I said "I've got an RSS feed" and it said "use IFTTT to throw that at http://webmention.app when it changes" which is an excellent and simple idea which I completely hadn't thought of. (twitter.com/_/status/1141239232360583168)
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@JamieTanna This is awesome stuff @rem! I've been looking at writing my own webmention + syndication tooling but this saves me some work (twitter.com/_/status/1141239488758390784)
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@rem ↩️ I'd not heard of backtype, but it sounds like the kind of development that happened when twitter was an open api to play with.
The site I released is "just" a helper on top of webmentions (an evolution of pingbacks), but replies from twitter are also doable via bridgy— (twitter.com/_/status/1141268017113948160)
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petermolnar anyone knows a good guide to html5 "semantic" structure? As in how header, footer, main, article, section, aside, etc should be used, with examples.
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[jgmac1106] mdn isn't great actually
# [jgmac1106] for your request
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aaronpk petermolnar: https://adactio.com/links/15351
# petermolnar https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Using_HTML_sections_and_outlines - I think I was looking for this
# [jgmac1106] I think I am going to take this page: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Using_HTML_sections_and_outlines and make it look like adactio bookmark too badd it is css-tricks and I can't just lift it
# [jgmac1106] the MDN page spends the entire time discussing a feature browsers never picked up
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[kevinmarks786] this could be helpful: https://tink.uk/understanding-semantics/
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@inautilo Send Outgoing Webmentions · Automate your outgoing webmentions with
http://webmention.app http://ilo.im/jaycq #launches (twitter.com/_/status/1141298533875802112)
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Zegnat petermolnar: Chrome will let you inspect the accessibility tree (https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools/accessibility/reference#tree) which may actually be a tool that can help you make decisions about containers
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@johanbove ↩️ Well, you can augment the functionality of your personal site by adding web sign-in, microformats2 and webmentions. These are the building blocks of the Indieweb. I would invite you to visit these sites about the IndieWeb: https://indiewebify.me/ and https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/1141303514829860871)
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@MstrKapowski I’ve been mistyping “Webmention” as “Webmentino” all morning, and now I can’t help but think it’s the much more fun name. (https://mrkpw.xyz/t/2N0) (twitter.com/_/status/1141305826872909825)
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# [jgmac1106] grrr Discourse...what a silly way to edit and plan wiki articles anyways: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1141308650876801024
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@jgmac1106 @Sphinx_Twitt @MozDevNet @chrisdavidmills @sheppy grrrrr when you layout the entire article outline and then Discourse fails (why you need this much javascript for what is basically a bulletin board is beyond me) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9a-HOEW4AA966T.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1141308650876801024)
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# [kevinmarks786] [aaronpk] monocle lazy loading seems to interact badly with my svgshare.com h-feed https://monocle.p3k.io/channel/MzlSlSkXqViySCFVHG9ifxIg
# [jgmac1106] is that a new Transformer?
# [jgmac1106] do you write HTML5 or HTML 5....I just like writing HTML
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@boldakov Automate your outgoing webmentions https://webmention.app/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141339152195235845)
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# jgmac1106 anyone have a favorite data visualization tool? Currently all the statisical analysis “done in” ReVIEW is just done by me bespoke to each client and added to reports, statistical needs aren’’t crazy basic agreement stuff, pearson coefficient, interclass correlation, descriptives. Preferably something written for R that spits out pretty graphs.
# snarfed i also like http://www.metabase.com/ a lot. it's aimed more at BI than academic research, no deep stats or R support, but it's really good and usable
# snarfed it made all of the graphs here: https://indiemap.org/docs.html#stats
# jgmac1106 I have used this before as well: https://exploratory.io/
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# [kevinmarks786] [aaronpk] the feed is https://svgshare.com/ - on desktop they do load, on android I just get grey boxes.
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# [kevinmarks786] Ah, I had "lite mode" on in chrome android. Apparently that messed up the lazy load for svg
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# [jgmac1106] !tell petermolnar would love your feedback: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Using_HTML_sections_and_outlines just hated that the entire MDN doc was about an outline spec that never became a recommendation
# petermolnar [jgmac1106]: feedback: not too long ago I read somewhere that the last html spec that had an RFC was 2.0. I'm genuinely disgusted with the "living standard" thing, so not surprised these things never happen in any way. By the time the it was finished, the lovely google driven whatwg probably moved on already.
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Loqi petermolnar: [jgmac1106] left you a message 3 minutes ago: would love your feedback: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Using_HTML_sections_and_outlines just hated that the entire MDN doc was about an outline spec that never became a recommendation
# [kevinmarks786] For photo posts it does undermine the point
# [kevinmarks786] Though it works for my comics feed, just not the svgshare.com ones
# [kevinmarks786] If you scale those by rendering they may get bigger
# [kevinmarks786] Lol at https://svgshare.com/s/Ddw
# [kevinmarks786] Do you have an idea of filesize? You could apply a threshold.
# [kevinmarks786] I do have some huge svg's made from illustrator or pdfs, but a lot of little ones
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@Dev_Topics Send Outgoing Webmentions https://medium.com/remys-blog/send-outgoing-webmentions-17f0c9a3f29e?source=rss-a23b77c6a98e------2 #bloggingTips #blogging #blog (twitter.com/_/status/1141381665530490880)
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ YEEEESSSS
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# [kevinmarks786] I get a 503 https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com
# [jgmac1106] guess I have some work to do, mine is blank: https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftestkirby.jgregorymcverry.com%2Fnotes
# [jgmac1106] think I messed up my authoring
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gRegorLove__ aaronpk++ awesome!
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@ton_zylstra @davewiner re http://scripting.com/2019/06/19.html#a153106 #indieweb and opml. Just added my opml to feedbase, after logging w Twitter. As to #indieweb, logging in w #indieauth for feedbase would be gr8. (twitter.com/_/status/1141401105609515008)
# gRegorLove Found an edge case with my Granary-based Atom feed. Since my notes don't have any p-* properties, the implied name includes the image alt, which granary uses as the <title> (correctly)
# gRegorLove Hmm, scratch that.
# gRegorLove My templates do have a p-name, so it's explicit
# gRegorLove I'm considering declaring template zero, starting with fresh templates. I'd do several things differently if I was adding mf2 to a new site today :)
# gRegorLove Same! I've had this design since 2011 I think? Used to only last a couple years.
# gRegorLove Xray doesn't parse /s ;)
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# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Once posting's done, are you going to work on backfeed to have responses to your posts on Twitter come back to aggregate the conversation on the original site? Perhaps Webmention & http://Brid.gy? [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/19/55755953/#Once%20you%20have%20posting (twitter.com/_/status/1141404402705584129)
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Once posting's done, are you going to work on backfeed to have responses to your posts on Twitter come back to aggregate the conversation on the original site? Perhaps Webmention & http://Brid.gy? [more...]
https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/19/55755953/#Once%20you%20have%20posting (twitter.com/_/status/1141404402705584129)
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# Loqi ok, I added "TODO for self: compare X-Ray's feed handling with documented algorithms/patterns, document differences if they exist" to a brand new "See Also" section of /User:Www.svenknebel.de https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62616&oldid=53020
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@paul_melero Sending outgoing webmentions, by @rem
https://remysharp.com/2019/06/18/send-outgoing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1141426707875946496)
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[fluffy] okay moving over from #chat: webmention.io published a pingback (presumably) that came from http://3zfe6.7ba.info/out.php?url=https://eporner.com.isdownorblocked.com to http://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/407-v0-3-7-released but I’m not seeing anything that indicates that the verification should have succeeded.
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[grantcodes] Apologies for getting confused between skenbel and sebsel but I know at least one of you uses graphql a fair bit. I would love if you could have a look over my new together server which bridges micropub and microsub to graphql
# snarfed related discussion in eg https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/762
# [fluffy] yeah, and my goal in Publ is to have Publ itself be completely stateless since I want the site to be trivial to migrate between hosting endpoints or make it load-balanceable or whatever. Which is why I rely on webmention.io’s own storage and API for displaying the mentions (client-side although I might eventually add a primitive to let Publ itself do the fetch server-side)
# [grantcodes] Hehe thanks for clarifying sknebel!
# [kevinmarks786] If you want python code https://github.com/kevinmarks/mentiontech may be some use (it uses appengine for async stuff)
# [grantcodes] But sebsel & skebel the code is here : https://github.com/alltogethernow/server It all works well for me in the together we client but I was learning graphql as I went so I maybe didn't follow best practices as much as I should have
# [grantcodes] Also microformats does not really map to graphql very well since it is so fluid, but the microsub form of jf2 works well since it is less nested and more strictly defined
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# [schmarty] aaronpk: are you open to collecting lists of feeds that aren't parsing in aperture? (and/or monocle preview for that matter)
# [kevinmarks786] So graphql you query via a structure you want? So if they ask for h-card should you dig out all the nested h-cards?
# [grantcodes] Yes more or less KevinMarks but you have to do it down to the individual property. So you would say you want the `name` property of the author h-card
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# [schmarty] aaronpk: sounds good! thank you! issue filed.
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@EddieHinkle IndieWebKit is 78% complete! I've gotten majority of features done for IndieAuth, Micropub and Microsub. some more work for parsing responses in Microsub, uploading files in Micropub, and fix an Authentication Services issue (https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/06/19/6/note/) (twitter.com/_/status/1141444149993988102)
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# [jgmac1106] fyi schmarty your alt text did not syndicate to Twitter, I think tantek figured out how to do this
# [schmarty] [jgmac1106] oh, good call! i posted that to twitter manually via the twitter.com mobile site and i don't recall seeing a prompt to add the alt. 😕
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# [schmarty] haha oh! i didn't notice that 'cuz i just loaded it in ff
# [jgmac1106] What is pagination?
# Loqi pagination is a UI pattern for navigation across (typically chronologically) sequential pages that show one or more posts such as permalink post pages, archives, search results, and lists of tagged posts https://indieweb.org/pagination
# [jgmac1106] not really a discussion there on when and if one should add pagination. Does is matter for readers? I publish 50-60 notes a day, calendar view?
# [jgmac1106] okay so single day would be too much. I will do 20
# [jgmac1106] and besides n is proably WAY easier for me to figure out then n=x post on Y day
# [jgmac1106] ohh I had one other question about "This previews your feed it does not discover them" I know the url for rss but what is the link for an mf2 feed. I thought that was just your url?
# [schmarty] thanks, sknebel! enabled! looking forward to using it in the future!
# [jgmac1106] grabbed screenshots for a tutorial thx sknebel
# [jgmac1106] oh and thx for other question sknebel
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# petermolnar ocaml? that's interesting
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# petermolnar I'm tempted to throw my raw contents dir at new cms systems; due to being lazy one of my stiched panoramas is 40MPixel, with 20k width and it tends to take down any media library that doesn't cache properly ^^
# petermolnar when I tried to render my site with grav a long time ago it was a disaster
# petermolnar but that entries.pub still looks interesting
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jacky a color definition set https://danburzo.github.io/webcolors-cmyk/
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# sknebel aaronpk: you intended to tweet this like that? https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/1141486843390599168
# aaronpk u-syndication=https://twitter.com/eddiehinkle
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