#dev 2019-06-26

2019-06-26 UTC
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: I need to talk to you about your microformats
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[cleverdevil]
[cleverdevil] please! Feedback welcome 😀
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[cleverdevil]
I haven’t revisited them since I naively implemented a bunch of Known plugins. I’m sure they could be vastly improved 😀
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: I'm the last person to judge.
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: I've just never seen anything like yours.
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GWG
So, my code doesn't know what to make of it.
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Loqi
[Jonathan LaCour] Watched Avengers: Endgame (2019)
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GWG
If you run it through an mf2 parser, you represent that as an h-entry with a nested h-product.
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GWG
I never considered a movie to be marked up with h-product.
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GWG
You also have it as p-item h-product.
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GWG
Now, p-item is usually a property of a review, if it can't be represented by an h-card, h-product, or h-event...
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GWG
So, I use the watch-of proposed format for that.
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[cleverdevil]
Heh, I saw your ticket. Definitely interested to know what the “right” way to do this is.
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[cleverdevil]
(Same with my Listen entries, which are all messed up at the moment)
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: And weather is a comment
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GWG
Which I thought was interesting
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: I don't know what is right. I just want to discuss it.
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[jgmac1106]
sounds like a session on media posts is due (read, watch, listen)
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@jgmac1106
↩️ @femedtech and we did put in a few issues in December with @wikipedia hoping they add IndieAuth, so if a library did provide patrons with a domain they could log in without needing an email address or phone, just use a url. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/BTDqZ)
(twitter.com/_/status/1143816289405808640)
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MrKapowski
@jgmac1106 that could be useful. I've tried using a couple of those on my site, but I'm never sure if I'm using them right. Read in particular is one I could make more use of.
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jgmac1106
all of those read, watch, listen are experimental, so you can’t do them wrong
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jgmac1106
and the more ways we see how people have been doing media post the easier it is for a consensus in design to emerge
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MrKapowski
At the moment, what I'm doing for Read is marking up a h-cite read-of block with the details (URL, title, etc), then adding my blockquote annotations or comments into the main body of my entry, using <mark> to highlight anything I think is particularly relevant in a quote
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Loqi
[Chris] Read: Scotland’s Degrowth Commission
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Loqi
[Chris] Read: Scotland’s Degrowth Commission
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Loqi
[Chris] Read: Scotland’s Degrowth Commission
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jgmac1106
I broke the read plugin I made for Known
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] Starting this book as part of https://weareopen.coop/ book club and to model how online book clubs work for #edu307.No irony in doing a book club about digital minimalism from my blog. In fact, going big the first step in going small.When you have...
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] Starting this book as part of https://weareopen.coop/ book club and to model how online book clubs work for #edu307.No irony in doing a book club about digital minimalism from my blog. In fact, going big the first step in going small.When you have...
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] Starting this book as part of https://weareopen.coop/ book club and to model how online book clubs work for #edu307.No irony in doing a book club about digital minimalism from my blog. In fact, going big the first step in going small.When you have...
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GWG
The more I think about read/listen/watch status, the more I think start and end properties might be worth using
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[grantcodes]
GWG: that would make it such a pain to consume though, you'd have to do date comparisons on both of the datetimes. Nice to have but I still think a status is generally better
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jeremycherfas
Read-watch-listen posts, I think, sknebel
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sknebel
sure, but I'm not sure what the problem with them being time spans would be
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[kevinmarks786]
you could use media fragments in the URL you link to?
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[jgmac1106]
I would want time spans, if I was updating one poat moving from future, current, to past don't know anyone doing rhat5
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[kevinmarks786]
you can do #t=60,120 to play the second minute
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[jgmac1106]
But I could just as easily do a new note and a minute
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[jgmac1106]
Oops meant a webmention as my status changed, not minute
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[grantcodes]
Problem in my mind comes when you want to consume them, e.g. show only stuff you have finished watching, you then have to do a query based on the current date. Dunno, just seems complicated to me.
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GWG
You also have duration as a property
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GWG
But that's what discussion is for
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MrKapowski
For Reads about physical books/offline media, what does everyone else suggest using as the URL in tools which expect one as one of the properties?
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MrKapowski
(equally applied to Watch/Listen)
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jeremycherfas
For listens to podcasts, I try to link back to the audio file as supplied by the podcaster.
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jeremycherfas
But that's not offline. On books, I use an affiliate link to Amazon.
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jeremycherfas
But since you asked, I checked, and that's not actually marked up with mf2.
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jeremycherfas
I suppose I should fix that.
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[kevinmarks786]
Kindle has the time spent reading but doesn't expose it in an API afaik
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[xavierroy]
For audiobooks, I use the length as reading time. Though 8 might've listened at 1.1x or 1 2x speeds
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[xavierroy]
[dshanske] didn't earlier versions of post kinds have the start and end times files?
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[jgmac1106]
Grantcodes I would want to query by status but display by descening date
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[jgmac1106]
anyone know why I would be throwing an error that my function name shoudl be a string here: <?php if ($page->link()->isNotEmpty()) : ?>
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[jgmac1106]
<a class="<?= $page->posttype() ?>" href="<?= $page()->link() ?>"><?= $page->link()?></a>
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[jgmac1106]
<?php endif ?>
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jeremycherfas
Is isNotEmpty something you defined? Why not rest for $page[link] being not null?
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[jgmac1106]
It was <?= $page()->link() ?> when it should have been <?= $page->link() ?>
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[jgmac1106]
basically in the panel UI I added section where you can add a link and then choose reply, bookmark, or webmention
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[jgmac1106]
or following sorry
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[jgmac1106]
and then wrote a function to convert each to a variable based on mf2 and then try to call that variable in my template
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[jgmac1106]
that way all will be on my notes page but i could route and sort posts just by the variable if I wanted to build a page of just bookmarks for example
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[jgmac1106]
I also have no idea what I am doing...so there is that
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jeremycherfas
Ok. I can’t see your code, obvs, but one was you handle that might be to use if case()
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jeremycherfas
Read the response to the type and do further processing based on that
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[jgmac1106]
Easiest thing to do would be not transform the variables at all and just start with u-in-reply-to isntead of reply...but icky
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jeremycherfas
Yeah. No. Can’t get into Kirby.
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[jgmac1106]
yeah it's mainly PHP but need to learn a bit of their markdown flavor every now and again
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jeremycherfas
The most complex thing of any CMS for me is the way various bits and pieces interlock. Like Twig template partials, and how you can choose different partials under different circumstances.
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GWG
[xavierroy]: It should still
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@botic
Webmentions sind super. Aber wie verhindert man das Webmention-Äquivalent zum elenden Trackback-Spam? #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/1143932816130019328)
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GWG
Is there a way to tell a Micropub client to check a POSSE option by default?
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aaronpk
what do you mean "by default"
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GWG
aaronpk, when you query for syndication targets, it usually displays as a checkbox
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aaronpk
what i've done on my site is my server knows my defaults
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GWG
How can the endpoint tell the client that?
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aaronpk
like if i post a micropub reply to a URL that happens to be a twitter.com permalink, my server will just POSSE it anyway, regardless of whether the client sends mp-syndicate-to
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GWG
So the client can let the user override.
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aaronpk
we haven't talked about anything like that before, but i could see that being useful
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GWG
Maybe I will write some thoughts
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[grantcodes]
Eddie has looked into something similar for other properties (particularly visibility I think)
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[grantcodes]
I also do the same as aaronpk, but in together users can set default syndication options for likes and replies and whatnot and it's stored
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jacky
is running a slight organic experiment on reach via https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/414a40e3-1f16-42a6-a882-ede8653f4b8d
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Loqi
jacky: jamietanna[m] left you a message 3 days, 11 hours ago: re licenses, have you looked at https://tldrlegal.com/ before?
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jacky
looks at referenece
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jacky
oh this is _NICE_
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jacky
wow this makes me want to use the MPL tbh
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[eddie]
!tell GWG this is my idea on the topic of defaults that I’m planning to add to my server and to Chronicler when I finish building it
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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