#dev 2019-06-27

2019-06-27 UTC
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Loqi
GWG: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour ago: this is my idea on the topic of defaults that I’m planning to add to my server and to Chronicler when I finish building it
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@tw2113
Been learning about webmentions tonight. #webmentions #indieweb
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[Jamey_Sharp]
does h-feed have any provisions for paginated feeds? I didn't see anything related, but maybe mf2 has some general interpretation for `<a rel="next">` or something?
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KartikPrabhu
rel=prev and rel=next are the ones to use
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[Jamey_Sharp]
cool, thanks. where is that documented?
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KartikPrabhu
rel values are valid microformats
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[Jamey_Sharp]
I'm familiar with the HTML definitions of those but what says how mf2 uses them?
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[Jamey_Sharp]
that's very helpful, thank you. does microformats.org not say this anywhere? should I be ignoring that site? I'm so confused about where to find these specifications.
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KartikPrabhu
afaik microformats.org is mainly for documenting the "plumbing' aspect of microformats. The specific uses are usually on indieweb wiki
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[Jamey_Sharp]
well... I'm not looking for a duplicate of https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml, I'm looking for something that tells me how rel attributes are used in microformats
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KartikPrabhu
there is no general use of rel attributes in microformats. mf2 parsers parse all rel-attributes that are found. Using them to parse an h-feed is a specific use case documented on the indieweb wiki
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[Jamey_Sharp]
ah, https://indieweb.org/h-feed covers this specific case, I see
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aaronpk
It's like trying to make sense of all IETF specs except they are spread across three domains
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: hmm maybe we should try to be better the IETF specs (IMO we are a little better , since I have no ability to read IETF)
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[Jamey_Sharp]
yeah, I feel like I have better luck with RFCs... although I missed RFC5005 for ten years, so,
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aaronpk
My subtle point was also that just because something is an IETF RFC doesn't mean it's actually relevant anymore. Plenty get abandoned or replaced elsewhere
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aaronpk
also plenty of work happens outside IETF, for example OpenID Connect building on OAuth, and good luck navigating that whole space
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[Jamey_Sharp]
KartikPrabhu: as it happens, the reason I was trying to figure that out is because I was looking at your hfeed2atom and wondering if it could generate prev/next links in the atom it produces. as far as I can tell, it does not currently do that, right?
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KartikPrabhu
[Jamey_Sharp]: yeah right now it does not. I mainly cooked that up to generate my ATOM directly from what was on the corresponding h-feed page
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KartikPrabhu
If you fix it send me a PR :)
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KartikPrabhu
you might want to look at granary which may/may not do rel-prev/next
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KartikPrabhu
what is granary
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Loqi
granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network snowflake API and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, JSON Feed, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
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[Jamey_Sharp]
yeah, I talked with snarfed at last year's summit, and got as far as opening https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/152
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KartikPrabhu
yeah. Mostly my hfeed2atom fits my needs so I didn't really add anything more to it
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[Jamey_Sharp]
I actually forgot about granary until you mentioned it again, whoops
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[Jamey_Sharp]
okay, I feel like I have a better grasp on this now. thanks!
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KartikPrabhu
:thumbsup:
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@johanbove
↩️ Du hast komplett recht. Es gab in Berlin in May eine IndieWebCamp wo moderation mit webmention Vouch richtig besprochen werde: https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin/vouch Ich möchte dir deswegen herzlich einladen das http://Indieweb.org bei zu treten und deine… https://social.johanbove.info/2019/06/27/botic-du-hast-komplett-recht-es-gab
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@abrightclearweb
@pfefferle Hi, just wondering if your Webmentions plugin works with the latest version of WordPress? It says it hasn't been tested with the last 3 major releases. https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/
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GWG
Morning
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Loqi
*yawn* ... /stretch/
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@pfefferle
↩️ Mine, http://notiz.blog. Have a look at the comments section: https://notiz.blog/2019/06/24/bud-spencer-and-terence-hill-chips/#comments the likes and the first comment are Webmentions
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[smerrill]
ahoy how
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jeremycherfas
Ahoy there
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[smerrill]
are there any Micropub servers in Golang or Elixir?
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[grantcodes]
What is koype?
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Loqi
Koype is an open-source project that aims to provide a one-stop shop for those looking for a single-tenant Web service to own-your-data https://indieweb.org/Koype
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[snarfed]
[Jamey_Sharp] http://reader.minilop.net/ is fun! one bug report: it needs to fully qualify relative `img` URLs. right now it doesn't so they show up as broken.
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[grantcodes]
[smerrill] I think koype is in elixir
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[smerrill]
aye
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[smerrill]
thanks
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jacky
I'm working on refactoring the micropub bit to a separate library
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jacky
but there's a general 'purpose' indieweb lib on hexpm
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Loqi
[blackaf] indieweb-elixir: Utilities for interacting with the IndieWeb.
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jacky
haven't touched it in some time because I kept it flexible for me to test thing in client apps and push it into the library when it's good to go
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] wondering if I got this
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[jgmac1106]
sweet! I can now either add a bookmark, reply, or following post in the Kirby publishing UI or by just writing bookmark, reply, or following in my plain text file, up next is figuring out some PHP whizbangery to add some context like an icon for each post type
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[Jamey_Sharp]
[snarfed] oh! right. I assumed the Python feedparser library would take care of that for me, so I'll have to figure out how I'm supposed to do that... thanks for pointing that out!
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[Jamey_Sharp]
ah, it is supposed to, but I think I'm missing a dependency.
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[snarfed]
[grantcodes] just fyi login on https://together-web.tpxl.io/ seems broken. JS console shows CORS errors and [Error getting auth url] Error: "Network error: NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.", maybe due to one of the CORS errors
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[tantek]
I agree with having higher readability / approachability than IETF RFCs
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[tantek]
for our specifications, whether microformats, or indieweb
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[grantcodes]
Snarfed - try from the live site now
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[grantcodes]
alltogethernow.io
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[snarfed]
ah yeah [grantcodes] http://alltogethernow.io/ works fine
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[grantcodes]
Should delete that url
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[Jamey_Sharp]
[snarfed] I fixed the relative URLs problem! feedparser needed sgmllib3k for full functionality on Python 3, but the way I constructed my requirements.txt missed that dependency.
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[snarfed]
Jamey_Sharp++
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Loqi
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[jgmac1106]
can't connect to ,my servers on the plane
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jacky
latency might be too high
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[tantek]
planes are good use-cases for peer-to-peer and offline technologies
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] what are you dependent on for connecting to your servers?
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[jgmac1106]
just going offline, it was sftp, would havre been suprised if it worked, will try Terminal next
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jacky
[tantek]: that's very true!
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jacky
imagine in-flight social networking
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jacky
"anyone has an extra cable in row 13?"
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aaronpk
didn't virgin have that?
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aaronpk
seat-to-seat messaging?
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[jgmac1106]
....who knows maybe I should actually build a local dev environment rather than pushing each edit
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[jgmac1106]
hated by every femalke passenger ever I assume
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[tantek]
jacky I happened to leave my AirDrop on public and got random drops from people on the plane! I sent back photos I took while taking off, and some replied with "Thanks" written on my photo!
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[tantek]
yeah people are totally using AirDrop as in-room "chat"
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Loqi
Greg McVerry
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Loqi
Greg McVerry
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[jgmac1106]
What is checkin?
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Loqi
A checkin is the action of checking into a location and sharing that information https://indieweb.org/checkin
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[jgmac1106]
hoping I can add checkins on my layover...
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GWG
Good luck