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#GWGStill analyzing the webmention spec and brainstorming and taking notes on ideas for improvement in our implementation.
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#[renem][snarfed] getting back to the AP follow from Mastodon. Did you „unfollow“ my profile [renem]@renem.net on Mastodon? If not. I don’t see any followers and expect the same behavior as I get from Mastodon.host that the follow request ends in Nirvana/Converts to a Approval required request.
#krupHas anyone found a particularly easy way to parse or translate micropub requests in python? I have been manually converting them to Dicts and then translating them to values that are easier for Jinja2 templates to ingest but I feel like there's a better way!
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#[snarfed][renem] sorry, i don't entirely follow that. here are screenshots showing the successful follow though.
#[snarfed]i noticed you said `@renem@renem.net` just now though. you need a .net on both sides, ie `@renem.net@renem.net`
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#[renem][snarfed] is the „success“ still visible when you reload the whole Mastodon page? This is, when I noticed that it switched to an „approval required“? Sorry to bug you with that but I’ve no idea whom else I could ask to answer my issue 🤷♂️
#[renem][snarfed] that’s the view for me when I try the follow and hit the reload button in the browser after the follow. Also look at the follower count, it says 0 - 1 - 0 After reload.
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#[snarfed]honestly i'm not sure what's going on, but mastodon has funny internal logic that's beyond normal AP that i don't fully understand and can't easily debug
#[snarfed]all i know is when i follow `@renem.net@renem.net` from my `@snarfed@mastodon.technology` account, bridgy fed gets the AP `Follow` request, sends an AP `Accept`, and everything works
#[snarfed]when you try to follow it, bridgy fed never gets the AP `Follow` request. so i still believe there's something unusual with mastodon.host specifically
#Loqi[krup] Has anyone found a particularly easy way to parse or translate micropub requests in python? I have been manually converting them to Dicts and then translating them to values that are easier for Jinja2 templates to ingest but I feel like there's a bet...
#Loqijinja2 is a python-based templating language for HTML with rich macro support that adds {% %} syntax https://indieweb.org/jinja2
#[snarfed]that sounds like the expected technique. json.loads() for JSON requests, urllib.parse.parse_qs() for form-encoded. should be pretty straightforward
#Loqi[cleverdevil] microformats2: Validate Microformats2 JSON with JSON Schema, and perform Post Type Discovery
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#[snarfed]ok [renem] try again, might work better now
#[renem][snarfed] tried it just now and it’s still the same. I try to reach out to an admin and ask them if there is anything different than on other Mastodon instances. But I doubt that I get an answer that satisfies me.
#aaronpkif i hit the rate limits again tomorrow, i'm going to do something drastic and disable backfeed for everyone, and provide a notice in the dashboard, and you can turn it back on if you want
#ZegnatWill be interesting to see how much you can spare by disabling the comment backfeed for those without wm endpoints. Do you think you would be able to get some sort of % of “people without wm endpoint”? Would be very interesting to see. I would have expected everyone who has micropub endpoints setup to already have webmentions endpoints
#aaronpkit's not easily queryable right now but i can check
#[snarfed]Zegnat indiemap can easily answer those kinds of questions!
#[snarfed]over twice as many wm endpoints as micropub
#ZegnatJust didn’t want to figure out the query for “how many have micropub endpoints but not webmention endpoins” (and figure out where to execute said query), [snarfed]
#ZegnatAlso made more interesting by the fact that they would have the mp endpoint, no wm endpoint, and sign-up for a service that does backfeed over wm. Though of course some people may not know it does that, and the toggle was on by default.
#[snarfed]heh ok. i like to think the docs are pretty good, and it literally is just click to open the page and type SQL, with autofilled columns...but still, understood
#ZegnatOh, the docs may be great, but not at 10 in the evening when your day starts at 4 in the morning ;)
#ZegnatWill be off in a second again, because tomorrow also starts at 4
#[tantek]snarfed, any chance of getting annual updates to IndieMap to answer questions like that?
#[snarfed][tantek] my standard answer is yes!...as soon as i see any evidence that anyone actually uses it 😎
#[tantek]hmm, here's a non-use datapoint — I went to check it to help provide stats for State of the IndieWeb 2019 at IndieWeb Summit, saw that it was still 2017 data, moved on
#[snarfed]yeah, that's disappointing. sure, 2 years old isn't yesterday, but i think it's still useful and informative
#[snarfed]i think we often overindex on "freshness" in general, eg with open source projects
#aaronpknot to answer the question "what's changed since 2017" 😂
#[snarfed]i guess i can rephrase another way: if anyone wants it updated badly enough, it's open source, i'd happily help them do the recrawl themselves!
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#[jgmac1106]Snarfed as someone doing academic research I would help support a recrawl
#[jgmac1106]I get a small snapshot of a year, run some interesting network analysis but it be fun to update
#[jgmac1106]Really I dream of an opt-in mf2 search engine... Heck forget crawling.... What if an index was powered by micropub... Could that even be possible?
#[jgmac1106]Like i say index my articles and notes but not my listens... Every time I publish the "micropub search engine" adds my stuff to the index through micropub.. Of course i have no idea how big these files/tables cpuld get and what this would do to regex
#[jgmac1106]tl/dr yeah recrawl. Love data. Can find support if needed
#[tantek]more like websub search engine. no need to auth-in
#[jgmac1106]Actually I like the auth-in as kind of way to control a semi private/unlisted.. Or would need something in my header that equals "do not websub"...
#[jgmac1106]But that seems like a lot... Be cool to log into a search engine and toggle post types, "Everyone can have this, members of this group/ring can have this, nobody searches this"
#[jgmac1106]I don't know the tech but what if a search engine was more push in rather than crawl? Just seems like more user control.
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#[snarfed][jgmac1106] glad to hear it! i think we have enough support; what we really need is someone to actually drive it.