#dev 2019-08-28

2019-08-28 UTC
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[tantek] lots of different placement of the "Add to Calendar" links in existing examples https://indieweb.org/Add_to_Calendar#IndieWeb_Examples
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[tantek] no clear pattern, though most place it "near the top" either as part of the event header or just below
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[tantek] Meetup puts it between the date/time and the location
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[tantek] near / adjacent to the visible datetime in the event details is an interesting pattern. marty, jeena, iws2019, and meetup all do that
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[grantcodes] My site as react example? I am 100% sure there are thousands more personal websites built with react but not in the indieweb community
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[tantek] Would be interesting see how many use SSR so they'll show up historically (e.g. internet archive)
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[tantek] I'm thinking Add to Calendar links from event permalink pages should use rel=alternate type=text/calendar
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jgmac1106 i use no analytics on my Known site but I just saw a message knowing analytics is being pinged. I suspect an image or link. How can I find out?
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] -> Known channel maybe?
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jgmac1106 didn’t know if there were generic console tools in a browser to find out thus #dev question
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[tantek] [schmarty] gRegorLove — did you consider putting rel=alternate type=text/calendar on your ICS links in your events?
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] got it. Firefox > Tools menu > Web Developer > Network. Then "Reload" the page.
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jgmac1106 tantek++ thx
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Loqi tantek has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (123 in all channels)
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[tantek] designing for Add to Calendar links is making me rethink my event page design
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[tantek] redesign in progress using my most recent event post: https://tantek.com/2019/233/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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[tantek] presto! now with automatic Add to Calendar link! https://tantek.com/2019/233/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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[tantek] next, figure out generate Add to gCal link, then finish updated POSSE event tweet design to try with next event post
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[schmarty] tantek: I like the rel alternate idea for add to calendar ICS links. I plan to add that next time I'm working on my site.
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jeremycherfas What is SSR?
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Loqi Server-Side Rendering (SSR), is the traditional technique of rendering HTML pages on the server, as opposed to Client-Side Rendering using JavaScript in the browser https://indieweb.org/SSR
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jeremycherfas Thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, jeremycherfas
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[jgmac1106] Tantek as call back.. Agreeemy multiphoto work flow is a PITA.. Wanted to do first day of school post, need to download photos from Google, rename them to something obvious, ftp all the photos, open up my gallery post template, cut and paste in all src urls, add a figcaption, add alt text
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[jgmac1106] Granted I have no micropub features on my main site its all manual till it hurts
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[jgmac1106] ... And not get distracted by my serious desire to fix the stylesheet
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ En nog gekker... Om onduidelijke reden zie ik de tweet van @microsoftnl (https://twitter.com/microsoftnl/status/1166637918288601088) niet in mijn meldingen. Hij staat gelukkig wel als reactie onder mijn blogpost, dankzij de koppeling tussen blog en twitter via http://Brid.gy... (twitter.com/_/status/1166720878060720129)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I empathize with so much of that. IG app has decent multiphoto posting UI but even that is so oddly stateful that I keep feeling like I’m going to make a mistake
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[tantek] back to improving event posts. does anyone else <!here> post /event posts with an Add to Google Calendar link/button besides [schmarty] or is the only one? Looking for UI variants when you have *both* an "Add to Calendar" (ICS) link and a custom "Add to gCal" link
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GWG I need to post more events in general
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[tantek] and does anyone POSSE events to Twitter? and if so, did you consider (or do you have) "Add to Calendar/gCal" links in your POSSE event tweet?
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[tantek] FWIW I've captured my current and next iteration thinking on POSSE event to Twitter UI/copy here: https://indieweb.org/event#Tantek_POSSE_to_Twitter
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[tantek] feedback welcome!
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[snarfed] aaronpk just fyi, after i stopped using my proxy's IP to fetch IG pages, IG dropped the block on it (ie it can fetch now again) after <20h.
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[snarfed] i'm not using it for bridgy again, since it would just get blocked again, but still, useful data point
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[tantek] interesting. I wonder what's their rate trigger to block
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[tantek] also that seems to imply a 24h back-off for any random/unexpected error may be useful to consider in such server to server implementations / protocols
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jamietanna[m] Should relative URLs be usable with in-reply-to for webmentions? https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/08/28/content-kind/ has an in-reply-to with a relative URL for https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/08/18/restructure-content-types/ which would be cool to link through
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[fluffy] yeah it seems like there’s a lot of use cases for having the webmention endpoint fetch both the target and the destination to do a bunch of resolution/redirect-chasing things. I wrote up my wishlist at http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/6982-My-webmention-endpoint-wish-list
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[fluffy] not all of those involve target resolution but several of them do
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[fluffy] if I had infinite time and energy I’d probably build my wishlist webmention endpoint, but I don’t
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jamietanna[m] OK, so I guess for now maybe the solution is make it an absolute url?
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jacky ideally
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jacky I do a lot of URL resolution on my side under the hood so upstream things (webmention, PTD) doesn't have to fuss about it
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gRegorLove tantek: rel-alternate for ics sgtm. and my latest thinking on placement after working with some client is having the "Add to Calendar" beside the event date
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[snarfed] fluffy: how do you like pipenv?
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[KevinMarks] How far is mention.tech from your wishlist?
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[fluffy] I haven’t looked into that one
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[fluffy] there’s not enough information on the site for me to say and I don’t want to plumb through the github repo to find out 🙂
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[KevinMarks] Ok, so better did is on your wishlist. Fair
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[fluffy] oh and snarfed: pipenv is pretty great
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[fluffy] it has a bunch of missing stuff I’d like to see but in general it does a much better job of handling dependencies and environment stuff than the hodgepodge that came before it
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[fluffy] plus I like how it does the hard part of resolving your actual environment and its interpreter for you
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[fluffy] there’s definitely situations where a bare venv is easier/faster to deal with though
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[fluffy] I mostly only started using it because it’s what heroku uses
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[snarfed] thanks!
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[fluffy] the main thing I wish for with Pipenv is the ability to specify multiple deployment environments/targets. It sorta special-cases dev and otherwise everything else is ‘production,’ which means it’s easy to run into situations where you end up with extra packages or even conflicting packages based on trying to deploy on a Mac desktop running sqlite vs a Linux server running postgres and memcached, for example.
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[tantek] still not buying relative target URLs until someone points me to where in the spec it tells you how to resolve relative URLs explicitly. lacking that explicitly, when the spec says URL, it means absolute URL
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[tantek] *webmention
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