#dev 2019-09-01

2019-09-01 UTC
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[fluffy] Good to know. I generally don’t specify a font size except in relative terms or using the `medium`/`small`/etc forms since I want to respect peoples’ font preferences.
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[fluffy] I have really good eyesight (especially for my age) and even then too many websites use too-damn-small text.
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[tantek] jacky++ glad to hear about new ideas for webaction fallbacks!
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Loqi jacky has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (86 in all channels)
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[tantek] I don't understand the Mastodon interaction (or problem with it). Would be interesting to see a step-by-step user-flow of what you'd like to see work (perhaps add to /webactions#Brainstorming ?)
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jacky I was hoping it was something on par with Twitter Intents (pushing a URL to be posted on one's mastodon account)
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jacky but that seems to require a network request and I didn't want to make one in the browser
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[tantek] yeah
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[jeremycherfas] I’m pretty sure it will all have to be tweaked again once I have the typography in place, but at least this way I think I have the structure working as I feel it should.
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jamietanna[m] grantcodes: it looks like https://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io doesn't redirect to the correct endpoint when it received the authorization code, I needed to rewrite the URL from https://microsub-notifier.captain.tpxl.io/api/auth to https://microsub-notifier.tpxl.io/api/auth
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[jgmac1106] I use 768 or 800 depends on who I am copying, doing my darnest to build sites with fewest media qeuiers possible
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jgmac1106 confused why I am struggling with these css animations on figcaptions, should be just stack the figcpation in the same grid row, and columns, set z index, make opacity 0 and then make opacity 1 on hover....maybe I should try with one photo first
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Why I stopped using most badging platforms. I am a teacher. Need to do assessment, so I used microformats and webmentions to make badges that are single html files (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1zAd9a) (twitter.com/_/status/1168135643777703936)
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@feedmypixel Test webmentions tweet https://feedmypixel.com #test #webmention #movealongnothingtoseehere (twitter.com/_/status/1168148292880015360)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Mapping microformats with iCal and gCal was major topic in irc this week. In fact think a meetup microformats article hit the top of indie news this week: https://news.indieweb.org/en we all use webmentions to rsvp from our sites (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1ToVDu) (twitter.com/_/status/1168150011206602752)
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@feedmypixel Test webmention tweet https://feedmypixel.com #test #webmention #movealongnothingtoseehere (twitter.com/_/status/1168151993766076417)
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GWG Does anyone accept webmentions to locally hosted media? The image URL as opposed to the photo post?
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jgmac1106 I don’t, do you include location of the photo? actually working on my photo galleries now
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GWG I'm building that support, but realized that WordPress sends for all URLs in content, not just links
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GWG So, technically, WordPress has been sending webmentions if someone uses an img tag
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GWG Include the location? In the webmention?
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GWG Or separate question?
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GWG I wrote a function to extract URLs based on what HTML element they are attached to, so I could add settings to choose what to send webmentions for
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jgmac1106 no just in dsiplay as in the h-entry, nothing to do with webmentions
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GWG Oh.. I do
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GWG When I can
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GWG I have a function that extracts it from exif and displays it on the attachment page
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GWG Sorry, still in webmention mode
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php/issues/33
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Loqi [aaronpk] #33 findOutgoingLinks method should return only URLs in <a> tags
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GWG Looks like aaronpk identified a scenario related to this
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GWG https://github.com/w3c/webmention/issues/91
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Loqi [Zegnat] #91 “other similar links” is a vague description for what constitutes getting mentioned in HTML
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GWG So did Zegnat on receiving
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GWG But can't find much discussion on sending
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sknebel I thought I did support it for an experiment from one of the Berlin IWCs, but apparently not
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sknebel (receiving)
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GWG sknebel, apparently there was a discussion at Berlin in 2017
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sknebel might very well have been that
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sknebel or 2018?
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sknebel when tmattis was doing some flickr replacement experiments
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jgmac1106 made some progress today: https://precious-hearing.glitch.me/
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jgmac1106 I want to be able to just add photos and not worry about grid selectors based on photo size or orientation but still have the figcaption display nice, fun challenge
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jgmac1106 and I am just copy/pasting way to glory and mucking about, still think nesting a grid inside each photo rather than flexbox is what I should do
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jgmac1106 gwg thinking about it a webmention being sent directly to media would be a nice way for a content creator to kind of track the reach of their media, know when other people use it and such
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GWG jgmac1106, that's what I am thinking. Also, cut down on useless webmentions if you don't want to send for every link
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GWG sknebel, what about sending?
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sknebel would have obviously been the other part, if we'd decided to go with hotlinking there
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sknebel (which the prototype did, but might not have been the final design)
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sknebel I know there's been a bunch of discussion about that, many people see hotlinking as bad, others seem to prefer it in some cases, e.g. to get listener numbers etc
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GWG Yes, so I should consider supporting it
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sknebel would you use it?
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GWG The other question is how people are generating their outgoing URLs.
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GWG sknebel, WordPress has attachment pages for every uploaded resource. I started out with the idea of directing any webmention for the resource to the attachment page.
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GWG Then I started thinking about all the outgoing webmentions I must be sending. Both to local resources and remote ones
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sknebel that sounds like a good idea for it, yes. similar to having a special page for the homepag WMs
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GWG I self ping
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GWG So, the spec talks about per media rules for receiving, but not for sending
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GWG That's where I am now
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GWG I wonder if that is worth an issue on the spec
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sknebel There isn't much done with the target, so I'm not sure special rules are necessary - especially not for media types that don't have a way to embed a rel=webmention
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GWG I'm referring to the source
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sknebel then I'm not sure I understand the scenario
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GWG The way the sender figures out what to send right now is a straight regex for all URLs in the content of the page
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GWG I am thinking it should only do href and maybe src
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sknebel ah
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GWG I'm wondering if anyone does that
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jgmac1106 well I tried to switch from flexbox to a nested grid where I put the caption at the top and the photo at the bottom but messed it up: https://precious-hearing.glitch.me/ going back to flex as it was more than good enough
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jgmac1106 !mf2 https://precious-hearing.glitch.me/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprecious-hearing.glitch.me%2F
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jgmac1106 changed the url, I am pretty happy with this, if I knew all the grid math stuff I might be able to figure out how to use different size images to not have white space but it is a good start: https://cssgrid-photogallery.glitch.me/
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jacky anyone got ideas of interfaces of subscription flows that they like?
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jacky something like feedly but beyond that
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jacky I think I might just implement a 'preview' of their profile and have an option to follow
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[jgmac1106] Been lovong the cancel button
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[jgmac1106] jacky I think [aaronpk] made a feed preview for Aperture. Might be stuff to look at
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jacky cancel button?
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[jgmac1106] Joking, meaning been trying to cull subscriptions, sorry
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[jgmac1106] If a site did have a list of feeds (as I do) I would like a checkbox of what to follow
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[jgmac1106] If Koype does notification a toggle for on/off or maybe that is better at channel and not source level
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[jgmac1106] Maybe the cancel button would be cool. Drop in url - >"you are already subscribed to this feed. Would you like to remove it".... Better than hunting through so many channels
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jacky this isn't for koype
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jacky it's part of lwa
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jacky https://lwa.black.af
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[jgmac1106] If everyone is self contained in system with correct mf2 you could juat use post type discovery and toggle on and off poet typers per user on subscription
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[Michael_Beckwit alright, i'm still a bit confused by indiebookclub and some details of its implementation
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[Michael_Beckwit i have https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/ installed and active
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[Michael_Beckwit i know indiebook makes a POST request to the endpoint that's present
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[Michael_Beckwit when it does, is it supposed to fill in and publish everything automatically?
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[Michael_Beckwit do i need to do up some code on my end to handle?
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[Michael_Beckwit I know I have /wp-admin/admin.php?page=micropub for a settings page
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[Michael_Beckwit do i need to do anything with the auth and token endpoints?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: wordpress questions ^^
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[Michael_Beckwit sort of 😛
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GWG It should need no configuration
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[Michael_Beckwit hmm, 403 forbidden errors
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[Michael_Beckwit looks like it's failing at the `current_user_can( 'read' )` check
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[Michael_Beckwit i haven't done anything with indieauth thus far, in case that's important
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[Michael_Beckwit i haven't done anything with indieauth thus far, in case that's important
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GWG Yes
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GWG IndieAuth can be hard to troubleshoot
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[Michael_Beckwit i'm thinking that mention of indieauth setup may be needed
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GWG What setup exactly?
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GWG It should just work unless you want to use your root domain over your author profile URL
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[Michael_Beckwit well, if indieauth needs to be present on the site in general, that's a step that wasn't clear to me
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GWG You can use IndieAuth.com if you want, but that requires rel me links
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[Michael_Beckwit with just micropub, my endpoint is getting 403 errors and so is book club
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[Michael_Beckwit and the default auth/token values for micropub are indieauth
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[Michael_Beckwit so i'm just trying to find the holes in what i still need and hopefully provide feedback for where documentation can be improved 😄
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GWG Are you using Micropub by itself or with the plugin for IndieAuth?
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[Michael_Beckwit i presently have both installed and active
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[Michael_Beckwit i only had micropub installed at first, and then i tried adding indieauth too and no change
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GWG And you ran the recommended test?
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GWG Does anyone add webmention headers to static content such as image files?
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[KevinMarks] @svgshare accepts webmentions for images
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[KevinMarks] And adds the headers
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[KevinMarks] Svgshare.com that is
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[KevinMarks] Hm over quota. That's annoying.
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GWG Interesting, what does svgshare do with them?
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