#dev 2019-09-02

2019-09-02 UTC
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[KevinMarks]
Display them on the image html page
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vika_nezrimaya
Does anyone here have JS disabled? Does my site (https://fireburn.ru) look normal without JS? You should have datetimes in ISO 8601 instead of human-readable, right now it's the only thing I'm providing via JS
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vika_nezrimaya
I wonder if my progressive enhancement is working properly~
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Loqi
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[KevinMarks]
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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[KevinMarks]
sorry curl
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vika_nezrimaya
curl++
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Loqi
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vika_nezrimaya
aaronpk: so, markup. Why are you using pk-ate and pk-food instead of just ate and food?
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vika_nezrimaya
aren't they kinda standard now?
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vika_nezrimaya
isn't the recommended practice to just go with the name and don't add prefixes unless it's really an internal thing and an ugly hack?
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KartikPrabhu
I don't think h-food or any food posts are standard
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aaronpk
Nothing about food posts are standard
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aaronpk
I added the prefix to make that clear, although if I were to start over I probably wouldn't publish any mf2 markup on them right now until someone has a consuming use case
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aaronpk
but that was like 5 years ago when i started publishing that, and the best practices around that have changed slightly in that time
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GWG
Well, the problem with prefixes is that others won't adopt necessarily
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[jgmac1106]
I ended up just doing an h-entry and a p-category for food or drink
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@jgmac1106
You should checkout what we are doing with webmention badges, you can convert them easily to open badges spec but I like a badge built on a single HTMl file with no javascript. See no need for blockchain. Solution without problem. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1KuCHB)
(twitter.com/_/status/1168507838173458439)
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[jgmac1106]
Seeing more and more zapier POSSEing... Wondering if a zap cpuld be written to display webmentions on https://jgregorymcverry.com
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jeremycherfas
To display them? Isn't that the job of your site? To send them to you, yes definitely.
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petermolnar
[jgmac1106]: possibly, with their python hook, but it really doesn't sound right
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petermolnar
I have considered using zapier as a micropub storage point for static sites though
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petermolnar
I've been using it for a while to posse to google groups from rss, especially since the last ifttt redesign
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[pawel_madej]
Hello,
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[pawel_madej]
I'm building template for my website. I have json-ld for structured data. Do i need to add itemprop values in source also?
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[pawel_madej]
This question should be removed from #indieweb
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GWG
What is JSON-LD?
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Loqi
JSON-LD is a method of encoding RDF (aka "Linked Data") as JSON https://indieweb.org/JSON-LD
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[tantek]
Hi [pawel_madej] be sure to add microformats2 for structured data for #indieweb interoperability
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GWG
Still thinking about sending webmentions. Should only visible links be sent as webmentions?
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[pawel_madej]
Yes I am adding them. But do not know if there is any reason to add microdata if I have json-ld?
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GWG
I only do microformats 2 myself, but to each their own.
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jacky
[pawel_madej]: a lot (if not everything) in the IndieWeb opts for Microformats2 (not Microdata) since it's more human readable _and_ provides more semantic markup than JSON-LD
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GWG
I am thinking about caching endpoints again
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GWG
Rather than trying to add webmention headers to media files
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jacky
which endpoints are you aiming to cache? GWG
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GWG
Let me back up
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[tantek]
backups++
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Loqi
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GWG
I decided that I wanted to receive webmentions when someone links to a media file on my site, because every media file in WordPress has an attachment data structure I can connect webmentions to
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GWG
I got that working, but it wouldn't work in the wild
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GWG
Only when I sent the mention manually, because media files have no endpoint to discover
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jacky
Hm, interesting idea.
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jacky
Well, that's if you exclude checking the header of the response of that media request
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GWG
So, either I use nginx or htaccess files to add a webmention header to the media file
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GWG
Or I send it to the root domain
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jacky
Hm, I'm guessing you can't add extra headers to outgoing media requests in Wordpress?
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GWG
WordPress doesn't serve media files. The web server would directly. It doesn't route through PHP
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[pawel_madej]
So I will go with json-ld plus mf2 for good structured data @ Google and indieweb compatibility
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jacky
Ah, gotcha
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[pawel_madej]
Thx for suggestions
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jacky
[pawel_madej]: Google parses and renders MF2 information
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[pawel_madej]
Seriously?
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[pawel_madej]
Where to read it? Havent found such source
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GWG
jacky, so, trying to think of new ideas
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GWG
But anything I do may do work for no purpose
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jacky
that's the beauty of experimentation
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jacky
I'm spending some time trying to think about interfaces for following people
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GWG
I think I may just merge the code with a note about the challenges, but I have a partner in this who has to approve
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jamietanna[m]
!tell tantek I've just implemented Add to Calendar following your steps - thanks! (https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/02/calendar-single-event/)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek]
wow! glad to hear the documentation was helpful!
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Loqi
[tantek]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 8 minutes ago: I've just implemented Add to Calendar following your steps - thanks! (https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/09/02/calendar-single-event/)
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[tantek]
I noticed you added the ctz= param - was that necessary or did you get from someone else's example?
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[tantek]
(just confirmed that your Add to Calendar link works!)
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jamietanna[m]
Ah yes, I should've added something about that
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jamietanna[m]
I had to add it because my events are in the Europe/London timezone, and I couldn't find a way to encode that within the dates parameter in the URL
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jamietanna[m]
I followed info in https://github.com/InteractionDesignFoundation/add-event-to-calendar-docs/blob/master/services/google.md which was linked to from the StackOverflow question that the wiki links to
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[tantek]
Good to know! I also saw you put in and original post links at the end of the description which is very clever! "More details can be found at https://www.jvt.me/events/homebrew-website-club-nottingham/2019/09/18/"
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