#dev 2019-10-02

2019-10-02 UTC
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@ramiroruiz Still working on my full site redesign, but I went forward and added #webmentions to my notes on the current design. Now if you like/reply my tweets it will show on the site. Baby steps, the visuals are pretty rough at the moment. #indieweb (https://ramiroruiz.com/notes/19/1001230541) (twitter.com/_/status/1179246259087056896)
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aaronpk What is a tip?
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Loqi A tip is a small amount of money given to a person to show appreciation for a service they have provided; on the IndieWeb, a site can have a tip page for others to show appreciation for it, and for individuals to have a simple URL to share for others to tip them, like for technical help provided without an explicit payment request https://indieweb.org/tip
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aaronpk heh not that kind
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aaronpk what is a review?
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Loqi A review is a post evaluating a product or service, usually involving a written description, sometimes with summary numerical evaluations, also known as just a rating if it’s just a single numerical value or iconic representation like stars (★★★★☆) https://indieweb.org/review
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aaronpk thinking about POSSEing tips to Foursquare
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@aleksip Submitted by aleksip on 2 October 2019 In reply to Auto created comment from webmention by Sam Mortenson (not verified)Permalink Where are those flying cars… Where are those flying cars we have been promised for so long? 2019-10-02T09:12:13+03:00 (https://www.aleksip.net/comment/359) (twitter.com/_/status/1179306120990662656)
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beko[m] aaronpk: did you change something for Monocle? It's blazing fast compared to my usual experience with it 😅
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[aaronpk] Nothing with monocle changed recently
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[aaronpk] What microsub server are you using?
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beko[m] How strange
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beko[m] Wordpress one
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[aaronpk] I did stop aperture from serving image proxy URLs for images the other day
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[aaronpk] Monocle doesn't do much other than make a request to your microsub endpoint so any speedups would probably be because of your server!
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beko[m] Indigenous is way faster compared. And that's slow due to my gorram mobile phone 😅
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beko[m] No changes on my server. Just checked again. It's running Yarns Microsub Server 1.0.2
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beko[m] Well when I pick a channel that has no data at all I get 38000ms until page load. Domain is monocle and that's slow for me. I know that providing this via a CDN is out of the scope of the project. Just noticed that it's way faster than usual.
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aaronpk huh that doesn't make any sense
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aaronpk does it do that in a desktop browser?
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aaronpk [schmarty] is there a delay in your site between publishing the post and adding the video URL?
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aaronpk in monocle I don't see the videos (aperture doesn't have the "video" property stored), but a current XRay preview shows the video URL just fine
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[schmarty] aaronpk: the shortcut posts the video first to get the url to create the post, and the post is only compiled/published once, so it should have all the deets the first time around. 🤔
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk oh :facepalm:
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aaronpk I was looking at your posts from the micro.blog channel
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aaronpk and the micro.blog jsonfeed doesn't have a video property, it just embeds the video as HTML in the content
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aaronpk which xray conveniently strips out because apparently video tags aren't allowed in xray
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aaronpk yep your posts look fine in monocle when aperture fetches them from your site directly :D
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[Rose] That's my Wednesday morning bash script done
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[schmarty] 🎉 haha, grats!
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[tantek] That “doesn’t have a property vs embeds” is an interesting class of problems with feed file formats
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[Lewis_Cowles] What did the bash script do [Rose]?
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[Rose] Checks a folder to see if there's any git updates and if there are pulls them and runs composer install and the php artisan stuff.
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[Rose] Yay for self hosting your invoicing software 😉
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aaronpk \o/ I do that too :)
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[Rose] InvoiceNinja?
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aaronpk yep
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[Rose] Hehe, $20/year to white label it is so cheap too.
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[Rose] I'm looking into learning Swift to write them a real iOS app.
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aaronpk oh wow
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[Rose] I want to learn Swift anyway, it seems like an ideal starter project, and their current app sucks so much.
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aaronpk i've never used it
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[Rose] It looks like an Android app
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[Rose] Like an ancient one. They're using some cross platform development system which apparently doesn't offer native UI elements
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aaronpk oh gosh
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[Rose] They're using Flutter, which according to Google (who make it) provides "beautiful, natively compiled applications"
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[schmarty] "Natively compiled" has me imagining a build farm full of warm old iPhones and Androids
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[Rose] The Flutter page actually looks pretty decent, so I suspect they're using an old version of it or didn't follow the docs?
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beko[m] aaronpk: yeah. Chrome to be specific [on Monocle]. Requests all the resources on each channel click again. Caching helps, oc.
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aaronpk beko[m]: can you send me a screenshot of the network tab when you experience a 38second load?
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beko[m] just a sec
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aaronpk I get 500ms waiting for the first response, then everything else loads almost immediately after that
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beko[m] aaronpk: https://beko.famkos.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/gnome-shell-screenshot-DO1A9Z_indexed.png
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beko[m] That's "fast" today =)
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aaronpk where are you located?
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beko[m] GER
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beko[m] that roundtrip really hurts 😁
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aaronpk GER?
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beko[m] DE if you prefer the 2 characters variant 😁 Germany.
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[tonz] Germany
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beko[m] thought my Engrish shows anyway
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[Rose] I thought GER was Gerona, as in Cuba. Apparently I fly too much
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aaronpk I was trying to think of which airport code "GER" was
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[Rose] I have an IATA lookup in my browser...
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aaronpk i'm in amsterdam right now and I am not getting speeds anywhere as slow as that!
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beko[m] well… internet is #neuland for us here in Germany but this is really exceptional slow 😁
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aaronpk well looking at that list of assets, I should be able to easily cache the css/js, which includes the svg icons
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aaronpk looks like my chrome is already caching them
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beko[m] Hm.. run a trace and it jumps from 18 to 174ms within two telia.net links
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beko[m] yeah but even the json requests in the background have a slow roundtrip
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aaronpk I could also move all the static assets to a CDN but i'm not even sure that'd help you because you have that slow network hop and there's no guarantee a CDN would be closer than that hop
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[tonz] AMS has a major internet exchange, and a main hub into europe, so as close to the backbone as you’ll get….
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beko[m] I'll check back with my ISP. This looks like a serious issue of telia incrasing any roundtrip by 150ms between two of their own uplinks.
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aaronpk yeah if that's an internal delay that seems pretty bad
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beko[m] 9 ffm-b10-link.telia.net (213.248.77.57) 18.210 ms 19.618 ms 18.076 ms
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beko[m] 10 ffm-bb2-link.telia.net (62.115.137.210) 175.228 ms 174.926 ms 175.554 ms
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aaronpk hmm, digging into this some more, looks like some of the delay I *do* see is actually font-awesome JS doing the SVG icons
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aaronpk and that isn't something I can fix by caching
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aaronpk looking thru https://fontawesome.com/how-to-use/on-the-web/other-topics/performance I think I need to switch to "individual svg icons" and inline them in the page
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aaronpk or cache the individual files
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sknebel Traceroute also isn't a good indicator of delay
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beko[m] i doubt it's worth the effort. this is mostly an ISP problem from what I can tell
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aaronpk well I have been wanting to fix the delay with the icons showing up, I notice it on my phone more often than on the laptop
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aaronpk it's very visible in chrome with 6x CPU throttling enabled
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beko[m] sknebel: so I get an ungodly request time of 5.28s loading 631kb until onload because…?
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[jgmac1106] Rose I wrote the htaccess correct didn't work
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[Rose] JGmac: so to "get rid" of file extensions the simple way is to create a folder with the name of the path (e.g. my-page.name) and put an index.php inside it
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[Rose] Wow, weird capitalisation, thanks Android phone I'm testing
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[jgmac1106] And worried about all the redirects if I move all my pages from html to php
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I use SwiftKey for Android keyboards
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[jgmac1106] Or Hacker keyboard when writing any html or code
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[jgmac1106] Rose I have to drive now but want to learn more about folder approach
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[jgmac1106] Everything I read was about editing htaccess
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@aleksip In reply to Auto created comment from webmention by Sam Mortenson (not verified)Permalink Where are those flying cars… Where are those flying cars we have been promised for so long? 2019-10-02T14:53:09+03:00 (https://www.aleksip.net/comment/360) (twitter.com/_/status/1179363929744646144)
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[Rose] You can likely do it in htaccess or your apache or nginx config too, but the folder approach has some advantages.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah and I think the Apache config of my host messing with htaccess approach
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[jgmac1106] https://jgregorymcverry.com/test.php works
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[jgmac1106] https://jgregorymcverry.com/test does not..so gonna bug you to learn about folder approach
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[jgmac1106] I don't have too many pages may just write redirects manually for current html pages.
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[jgmac1106] Even when my regex is proper in htaccess things don't go as planned. Has to be Apache config
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[jgmac1106] So I am taking archive.jgregorymcverry.com using WP2Static to export zip files and gonna move to https://jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] Okay pulled over on ranfom road... Gotta get to work at some point.. Bit excited for help Rose
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[jgmac1106] @rose++
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beko[m] aaronpk: done various more traces from various servers located close to backbones here. I get similar bad delays the moment it reaches gtt.net as well - so I'll just blame the jump over the huge puddle for this 🙂
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aaronpk I guess this is one advantage of using Together or a native app, those run the code locally and only reach out to your microsub server which is more likely to be close to you
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[schmarty] SPA++ ???
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beko[m] I guess. So don't put any more effort in this. My usecase is just cross-checking anyway
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[SE_NOVEM] Hi, I got a little confused about the HTML and CSS interplay:
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[SE_NOVEM] Chorme dev tools shows: _reboot.scss
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[SE_NOVEM] vertical-align: middle;
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[SE_NOVEM] border-style: none;
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[SE_NOVEM] `img {
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[SE_NOVEM] }`
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[SE_NOVEM] My HTML
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[SE_NOVEM] `<div class="featuredin"><a href><img>`
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[SE_NOVEM] My css:
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[SE_NOVEM] `.featuredin a img
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[SE_NOVEM] {
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[SE_NOVEM] width: 80px !important;
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[Lewis_Cowles] anything in img{} CSS selector will cascade down to .featuredin a img and additionally have those properties
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[Lewis_Cowles] you need to close tags and provide a src attribute to the img and a href for the anchor tag though
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[SE_NOVEM] Thx, I just was lazy and did not write those, what I don't understand its why the img is not getting the width: 80px
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[Lewis_Cowles] really would be more helpful to link a pastebin to both in total from the computed tab. It’ll be noisy, but may show if a later CSS is overriding
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[Lewis_Cowles] Jen Simmons has an excellent free course on YouTube about CSS. Modern browsers really have amazing tools for these sorts of problems
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aaronpk okay, replaced the JS+SVG icon font with SVG sprite, and it loads a *ton* faster now
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aaronpk that was an hour well spent
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[Lewis_Cowles] Sounds very cool
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[SE_NOVEM] Thanks, will look into that course.
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[SE_NOVEM] Here are the pastebins:
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[SE_NOVEM] CSS (copied the style for the image element):
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[SE_NOVEM] HTML: https://pastebin.com/hzyFtiZN
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[SE_NOVEM] https://pastebin.com/J8hCredv
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aaronpk beko[m]: you should hopefully see some speedup with that too even though the network is slow
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beko[m] afraid it's even slower 😕 14 requests | 971 KB transferred | 969 KB resources | Finish: 19.82 s | DOMContentLoaded: 7.41 s | Load: 19.29 s
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[SE_NOVEM] solwed it, was putting the width at 😅`@media screen and (max-width: 760px) {`
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[aaronpk] Try again? The first download of the SVG file is large but it should cache it then
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beko[m] Yeah switching channels is fast… enough. Just the intial load 😁
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beko[m] and channels are usually indeed just slow because of pictures n stuff within
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[aaronpk] Actual photo posts (not blog posts with embedded images) should be loading the images async so that should help some too
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ what did you use to sheet the svg sprites?
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[aaronpk] Font awesome provides them!
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[aaronpk] Calling them sprites is a little misleading tho because it's just a bunch of SVGs with IDs all in one SVG
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[schmarty] Right on
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[Lewis_Cowles] cool 👍
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aaronpk cooool i'm using an image proxy now
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aaronpk willnorris++
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aaronpk aand monocle is running an image proxy now
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[jgmac1106] [Rose] sorry too busy helping other folks at HWC to hack on my own site...need to learn more about your folder method
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ woohoo! willnorris++
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Loqi 😄
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@w3bk3rn3l Is there a good tutorial to implement automatic webmention for Twitter cross-posting? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1179492611503116291)
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@murderofcrows ↩️ Yeah, I did something different? (Hopefully). There is a service (https://brid.gy/) that crossposts from my WordPress site. But if something goes wrong... hopefully I will iron it out for tomorrow (twitter.com/_/status/1179536981044281345)
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