#dev 2019-10-03

2019-10-03 UTC
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[frank] Is it correct to say the only third party app that works with indieauth authentication is Github? twitter, Instagram and micropub all fail when I test this.
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[aaronpk] do you mean IndieAuth.com?
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[aaronpk] Twitter and Instagram don't work there. Micro.blog should.
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[aaronpk] Indielogin.com should work with twitter and micro.blog
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[frank] [aaronpk] When I go to IndieAuth I get this screen. Micro.blog is "not a supported authentication provider". I tried to test indielogin but I need to change the URL in my Twitter bio to frankmeeuwsen.xyz (my test site). But Twitter doesn't seem to accept xyz-domains....
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[aaronpk] Looks like you're running Wordpress on that domain. Have you installed the IndieAuth plugin?
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[frank] Yes I have but I want to take it step by step. I just deactived the indieauth plugin on my main WP domain to test. I get the same result
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[frank] What I try to find out is, if you don't use WordPress, you need to have a Github profile to use indieauth on your domain?
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[frank] If you are not that technically advanced to make your own indieauth server 😉
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[aaronpk] What exactly are you trying to test?
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[aaronpk] (Side note, it's my fault this is confusing because I named that site IndieAuth.com)
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[frank] I want to see if you can use a domain with WordPress without using the IndieAuth plugin but with just rel=me links
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[aaronpk] The simplest thing to test is trying to log in to the wiki
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[frank] Or any domain for that matter
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[frank] What if you don't have a Github account, no WordPress but want to use your domain to login on the wiki. How would you move forward?
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[aaronpk] If you log in to the wiki you will end up on indielogin.com
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[aaronpk] You can use the form there to test. You shouldn't ever end up on IndieAuth.com in that case
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[frank] OK, I will try this and then get back to work 😉
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[aaronpk] Indielogin.com supports twitter too
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[aaronpk] I think there's a way to connect micro.blog too but I'm not actually sure and tbh I don't think I'd recommend that anyway for the simple case
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[frank] Hmmm... maybe I should first connect another domainname with a more regular tld to my test site. Since Twitter still doesn't support .xyz domains
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[frank] I am working on Dutch how-to's for non-developers and want to take it step by step
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[frank] Thanks anyway
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[aaronpk] Twitter doesn't support XYZ??
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[aaronpk] How so?
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[frank] #askjack 😉
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[aaronpk] I mean I don't understand
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[aaronpk] Does it like error out when you put an XYZ domain in your profile?
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[frank] I want to add my frankmeeuwsen.xyz to my profile but it doesn't accept it as an URL
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[frank] I logged in to the wiki with my regular domain (https://diggingthedigital.com/) with WordPress IndieAuth plugin turned off and I get an error for Twitter, Instagram and Microblog..
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[frank] Hmm...wait. Maybe I have to revole the original key on Twitter as well?
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[frank] I have meetings now. I will check later.
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[aaronpk] I just tested and I don't have any issue entering a .xyz as my profile url on Twitter so I don't know what "doesn't support XYZ domains" means
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[fluffy] Is this maybe a case of RelMeAuth no longer working with twitter because of the t.co thing?
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[aaronpk] No I worked around that long ago
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[fluffy] oh
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[aaronpk] indielogin.com doesn't even look for the rel=me attribute on Twitter anymore because that's what was breaking all the time. Now it uses the API to verify that direction
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[aaronpk] having rel=me links both directions is a noble goal, but as soon as you need to use a silo api to authenticate then you don't need that actual markup in that direction anymore
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jamietanna[m] Has anyone set up back feed for their Twitter to their site? Ie if I publish a tweet, can I get it sent via Micropub back to my site, so I can own both POSSE and PESOS?
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[aaronpk] That's what bridgy is for! Do you mean without using bridgy?
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[aaronpk] Oh wait do you mean your tweets not the comments?
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[aaronpk] What is backfeed?
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Loqi Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indieweb.org/backfeed
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[aaronpk] That threw me off because "backfeed" usually refers to just the responses, not your actual content
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[Lewis_Cowles] maybe of interest about testing auto-fill on forms https://cloudfour.com/thinks/an-html-attribute-potentially-worth-4-4m-to-chipotle/
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[aaronpk] I hope they buy his lunch. That's a great writeup
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[aaronpk] It looks like switching to no-JS icons in monocle totally fixed the issues I was having with it! Sometimes when I opened a page it used to block on all interactions like marking things read or favoriting for a while. I didn't realize that it was the icon JS that was blocking it! Now that the icons don't require JS, it's free to start handling user interaction sooner and I can scroll and mark read even before the rest of the assets are loaded!
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jamietanna[m] Ah sorry - my bad, yeah thinking the content not the interactions, so maybe PESOS?
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[aaronpk] Yeah. So like ownyourgram for Twitter
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[aaronpk] What is Twitter?
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Loqi Twitter (also known as Twitter.com) is a popular content hosting silo most well known for originally limited to 140 characters text notes https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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[aaronpk] What is PESOS?
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Loqi PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site https://indieweb.org/pesos
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[aaronpk] Possibly this? https://github.com/snarfed/ownyourresponses
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Loqi [snarfed] ownyourresponses: Creates posts on your web site for your likes, replies, reshares, and event RSVPs on social networks.
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[aaronpk] Not sure if the exact scope of it
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[aaronpk] Of
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[frank] [aaronpk] really weird. I just tested the xyz domain in my profile and now it saves. The internet: for all your tiny things loosely coupled....
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[frank] And logging in to the wiki works perfectly
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aaronpk excellent
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[jgmac1106] !tell jacky, swentel, gwg the recorder apk coming our sounds amazing. Wonder if there are micropub possibilities
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I don't understand
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Loqi GWG: [Rose] left you a message 3 days, 16 hours ago: same as Media Endpoint? Sorry, I’m not logged into GitHub here.
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Loqi GWG: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 minutes ago: the recorder apk coming our sounds amazing. Wonder if there are micropub possibilities
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[jgmac1106] In pixel 4 (the apk leaked and can be installed on pixel 3) is a new apk for the recorder app. You get indexable and time stamp transcripts for every recording
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[jgmac1106] Closer to publishing posts through voice like Captain's log
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GWG Fun
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[jgmac1106] As long as Trump keeps fighting with China I should be able to get a Pixel 4. My Pixel 2 is Huawei so can't be legally replaced. Keep trade war going until 10/15 please
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] !tell aaronpk can my aperture account be fixed or is it a reclaim hosting problem not loading my channels?
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aaronpk I don't know what your aperture account problem is
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Loqi aaronpk: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 minute ago: can my aperture account be fixed or is it a reclaim hosting problem not loading my channels?
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[jgmac1106] ooh my bad, thought you were aware. seems I reverted back to https://jgregorymcverry.com instead of https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com you had switched them for me, but now I come up with blank channels
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[jgmac1106] did some poking with [grantcodes] and together, my aperture number showing my main domain again
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aaronpk which one are you trying to use as your identity when you sign in to a reader?
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] you had switched it for me but at some point it reverted back, not a huge deal at all, just if you get a chance
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aaronpk I don't see that it reverted back
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aaronpk I do see a "forbidden" error from your micropub endpoint in the logs though
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aaronpk as long as you're typing in that URL when you log in everything looks fine in aperture
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jamietanna[m] Aaronpk yep ownyourresponses looks like a good candidate, thanks!
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[jgmac1106] weird as I get no channels and together shows my endpoint as jgregorymcverry.com
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[snarfed] hey jamietanna[m] on a related note, how's progress on meetup?
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed: unfortunately haven't had much time to progress since IWC AMS, I should get some time over the weekend to continue
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jamietanna[m] I've got oauth dropins written, just haven't yet been able to validate, so don't want to raise the PR yet
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jamietanna[m] Granary is what I'm doing at the moment, so writing the pytest to drive through the functionality
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jamietanna[m] Then hopefully shouldn't be too long till I can get a local brid.gy working for it 👍🏽
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aaronpk hm together isn't loading on my airplane wifi
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: and you're entering "https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/" when you log in to Together?
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[grantcodes] I see nothing with quicktoughts
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[jgmac1106] yes
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[jgmac1106] and indigenous
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aaronpk is there anything in https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com settings that might cause it to say your URL is https://jgregorymcverry.com? I don't remember how Known works
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[snarfed] jamietanna cool! that's definitely progress. feel free to send PRs etc early, even if you're not ready to merge them! happy to give feedback
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[snarfed] eg oauth-dropins
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[jgmac1106] weird logging into together all I did was log into my website
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: if you log in at indielogin.com by typing in https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/ what does it say?
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[grantcodes] I'm looking at the logs just now, and it did send the redirect url
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[jgmac1106] You successfully authenticated as https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed thanks, will do! I may make use of the "draft" PR functionality to do it so they're clearly not ready to go
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[snarfed] oh interesting, didn't know that existed. i usually just say something like "In progress, not ready to merge yet" at the top
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[jgmac1106] "Error loading channels 😢"
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: then as far as I can tell everything is configured properly. what error do you get in monocle? usually if something goes horribly wrong it gives you a huge debug dump of info
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[grantcodes] Now I'm seeing a token endpoint issue
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[jgmac1106] "header": "HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden\r\nServer: nginx/1.14.0\r\nContent-Type: application/json\r\nTransfer-Encoding: chunked\r\nConnection: keep-alive\r\nX-Powered-By: PHP/7.2.7-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1\r\nCache-Control: no-cache, private\r\nDate: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:06:20 GMT",
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[schmarty] whispers "how can we automate these checks in a friendly way?"
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[jgmac1106] monocle error, good error reporting
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[grantcodes] But it looks like it found all your endpoints this time
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[jgmac1106] maybe I will turn off the indiepub plugin, I didn't get choice of using Known or GitHub
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[grantcodes] All I can really see is your token endpoint says "unrecognized code"
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aaronpk wait no don't do that. you need a token endpoint
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aaronpk need to track down *why* the token endpoint is returning "unrecognized code"
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aaronpk from what I can tell between [grantcodes] and me, it's a problem with Known and it's not returning helpful error messages either
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[jgmac1106] Known, has deep token issues....@cleverdevil would know more than me
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[grantcodes] Can you see the tokens it has stored in known? I could send you the one together has stored, and you could at least see if it exists
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed it's only in the last month or so it came out - when raising a PR there's a little triangle to the right of "create" that has a drop down for it
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[jgmac1106] yeah one sec
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[jgmac1106] looking for the token storage: https://github.com/idno/indiepub/blob/ed247119548b9fe9311731a1b97fb1436aa5ae5c/Pages/MicroPub/Endpoint.php
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[grantcodes] Oh I was just meaning if there was an admin ui
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[jgmac1106] duh, found it
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[jgmac1106] darn doesn't show entire token: Token: 6421a…
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aaronpk that's good because it prevents people from accidentally pasting the token into chat this way ;-)
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[jgmac1106] 6c7483ee5ca4471f3ccb27c097b6413e
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[jgmac1106] oops you mean like that?
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aaronpk :facepalm:
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[jgmac1106] was able to use the inspect element and find the token in the value of the revoke button
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[jgmac1106] I will revoke that one in a bit, but that was my last token for alltogethernow.io
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[grantcodes] lol yeah you better revoke that, but it does match
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[jgmac1106] revoked, thanks for help both of you,
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@call_user_func [New]mapkyca/known-akismet Akismet filtering of incoming comments and webmentions. https://github.com/mapkyca/known-akismet (twitter.com/_/status/1179770604561588224)
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[jgmac1106] off to get ready for IWC NYC
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[tonz] [jgmac1106] Have fun at IWC NYC, looking fwd to following online.
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[jgmac1106] !tell rose when you get a chance love to pick your brain about the folder approach to removing file extensions.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel aaronpk [snarfed] re blocks, I guess one issue with static sites, assuming they load webmentions directly from webmention.io's API, is that they can't hide any processing for blocklists since it's just client-side code
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aaronpk yeah that's a big difference between bridgy and webmention.io
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aaronpk webmention.io is more a core part of their site in that case, whereas bridgy really is just a pipe
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sknebel [snarfed]: does bridgy also respect the mute list?
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sknebel that wouldn't "send a message" to the twitter accounts they want to exclude, as long as they're fine with not interacting with them
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ShokuninDiscord[ Is the dev of bridgy here?
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KartikPrabhu ShokuninDiscord its [snarfed]
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[snarfed] hi shokunin! right now bridgy only handles block lists on twitter, not mute lists
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[snarfed] lots of background on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/473
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Loqi [kylewm] #473 Twitter: do not backfeed from blocked accounts
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Evert[m] Not sure if interesting, but there might be some overlap with indieauth: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pot-authentication-link
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Evert[m] Feedback super appreciated!
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ShokuninDiscord[ Oh snarfed I had no idea you made bridgy
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ShokuninDiscord[ Great service
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[snarfed] thank you!
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ShokuninDiscord[ Where are you based?
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ShokuninDiscord[ We’re in SF
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[snarfed] me too!
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ShokuninDiscord[ Oh cool
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ShokuninDiscord[ Didn't see you at the Indieweb meetups
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ShokuninDiscord[ What's a good way to dm you? Are you on discord or matrix?
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[snarfed] no, sorry. i can get on IRC, or feel free to email, https://snarfed.org/about
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@kisik21 ↩️ Wouldn't you be Лилиан? Or Лиллиан? I'm not sure about double Л in foreign names... Don't worry, this stuff gets easier with practice. Maybe I should post in Russian sometimes so people reading me could practice Russian if they want. Does your blog have #webmentions enabled? (twitter.com/_/status/1179898084966445056)
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@anomalily ↩️ Crap, I'm not sure! I'm positive you know better than I do. I think Lillian has a Russian form too. My middle name is easier cuz there's definitely been a Russian with it: "анастасия" http://anomalily.net does have webmentions. But I don't PESOS/POSSE from twitter anymore. (twitter.com/_/status/1179900795845672960)
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