#dev 2019-10-05

2019-10-05 UTC
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[Lewis_Cowles] Wow Tantek you finished working for MS before I was 20
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[Lewis_Cowles] tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (118 in all channels)
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sebsel reading up on logs... why don't we start all tokens with the string `dont-paste-me-im-your-password`
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sebsel `secret-token-abcdef12345` would be a more serious suggestion
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sebsel random strings don't mean anything to people, and computers do not care about longer random strings.
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sebsel I know that Mollie (the Dutch Stripe / a payment provider API) uses the strings `live_` and `test_` in front of their tokens.
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sebsel !tell aaronpk Do you have something quotable for capability URLs being bad. I see some mentions of secret URLs here: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Static_Websites and here: https://indieweb.org/unlisted You had strong opinions during IWC AMS :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[grantcodes] the actual stripe does that too 😛
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sebsel lol, it's just a good idea
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@freekmurze ↩️ @matthiasnoback Will this be open source? Switched to webmentions myself recently. https://freek.dev/1406-how-to-add-webmentions-to-a-laravel-powered-blog (twitter.com/_/status/1180425549979799553)
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jamietanna[m] !tell aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/140 is the issue we spoke about yesterday / at IWC AMS about webmentions rendering weirdly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Re: “I think Zegnat cares [about webmention spec not being bound to mf] because he keeps bringing it up for no reason out of the blue” - I mostly care for the issue that we also had with the IndieAuth spec. That is 1 specific implementation of a tech agnostic spec being what everyone thinks the name of the spec means.
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GWG Zegnat, I care too
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jfoster Anyone work with Amplitude to instrument analytics?
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[Rose] Server updates done in advance of IWC Brighton! Early enough that any problems should become apparent before I get there I hope 😛
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aaronpk I just adapted cleverdevil+eddie's Switch script and i'm pulling in my play history now!
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Loqi aaronpk: sebsel left you a message 12 hours, 1 minute ago: Do you have something quotable for capability URLs being bad. I see some mentions of secret URLs here: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Static_Websites and here: https://indieweb.org/unlisted You had strong opinions during IWC AMS :)
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Loqi aaronpk: jamietanna[m] left you a message 9 hours, 18 minutes ago: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/140 is the issue we spoke about yesterday / at IWC AMS about webmentions rendering weirdly
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aaronpk haven't turned it into posts on my website yet but i'm storing it in a holding pattern now
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aaronpk sebsel: the capability URL spec itself actually does a pretty good job of saying why not to use them
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aaronpk why/when
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gRegorLove I added 'visibility' to my micropub q=config on my site (easy part), now to update indiebookclub to use it
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GWG I still have issues with the visibility property in the query
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GWG Namely mentioned in the issue
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aaronpk after I was thinking about it after last weekend I think I would also like to remove "private" and use "protected" instead
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GWG I use private and protected in the location visibility property I use
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gRegorLove Why's that aaronpk?
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aaronpk from the wiki summary of "visibility": "If the visibility is set to private, that means this post should not be accessible unless viewed by an authenticated user. (See audience for more details.)"
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aaronpk which implies that "private" isn't actually private, since it may be visible to whoever the audience is
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Visibility
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jacky aaronpk: for that reason, I've labelled 'private' as something that's only viewable by the author who created it
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Loqi jacky: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 days, 11 hours ago: the recorder apk coming our sounds amazing. Wonder if there are micropub possibilities
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jacky [jgmac1106]: I don't follow re: ^
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aaronpk yeah that matches more what I would think "private" means
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gRegorLove Sounds good
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Zegnat In Facebook is it: Public / Friends / Specific Friends / Only Me. That separation makes sense to me, and gets rid of ambiguous words like protected vs private.
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jacky right but everyone is considered a "friend"
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jacky without that 'friend' concept, what would it be?
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[jgmac1106] Jacky not out officially until Pixel 4 but you can sideload the nee recorder APK... Captioning done locally, its stupid sick
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jacky "Public" / Vouchable Sites / Explicitly Defined Sites / Me
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Zegnat Well, sebsel has something like the friend concept, in that everyone who can login with IndieAuth to his website gets to see his checkins
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Zegnat Which I guess is “vouchable” in his case, in the most loose sense of the word
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jacky right
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aaronpk "protected" isn't ambiguous imo
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jacky I'm trying to avoid using the word 'friend' tbh
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gRegorLove Friends / Specific Friends sound like audience. Could be a separate selection after selecting "protected" visibility
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Zegnat Public / Identified / Chosen / Just Me - jacky? In that you know who the identified people are, you just do not care to limit amongst them?
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gRegorLove But that's way advanced for me. I don't have audiences yet, certainly not implementing in an mp client anytime soon.
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aaronpk yeah I think audience and visibility are good to have separate
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jacky yeah
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jacky that works
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Zegnat aaronpk, with “protected” I somehow only think password-protected
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jacky yeeeah
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aaronpk huh I don't get that at all
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jacky like how would 'protection' work?
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gRegorLove That is how most posts are protected these days, like in wordpress.
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aaronpk how it works is up to the site
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jacky is also thinking this is also a bit of bias from how protection works
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aaronpk that's the point of "protected"
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gRegorLove Not my first thought, but I get it.
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gRegorLove jacky, to clarify, my context was a micropub client, so it's up to the server
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Zegnat It probably is a bias, as jacky describes. Seen way to many examples of “protected pages” = “password protected pages” throughout the years.
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Zegnat *too many
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Zegnat just realised his spelling is going down as the clock approaches 2am
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Zegnat I am going to sleep and let the smart people figure out a naming guideline for visibility ;) Have a good one all!
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jacky I think I'm going to cling to protected though
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jacky and let behavior 'rewrite' the meaning over time
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[jgmac1106] I am going with, "This is an AB post so C you later"
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aaronpk I like "protected" because it leaves the question open as to what exactly the protection is