#dev 2019-10-14
2019-10-14 UTC
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@skippednote @mantonsblog Hey! Can we receive webmentions like Twitter likes, replies on micro blog? (twitter.com/_/status/1183581176398659584)
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dougbeal| Are there any Event examples that use telegraph to sent invite webmentions?
# dougbeal| Should the event be in a h-entry?
# dougbeal| What is u-category
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/u-category
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jacky I've just made a wall of 'error' at https://fed.brid.gy/responses
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# dougbeal| aaronpk: I will file a bug!
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@mantonsblog ↩️ Not as a built-in feature. Webmentions to http://Micro.blog work by using the personal domain name of whoever is sending the Webmention, and Twitter usernames don't fit well with that. It may be possible to use http://Webmention.io to collect the mentions, though. (twitter.com/_/status/1183618181488955393)
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@Riasvdv Added a small update to my #Webmentions with #Firebase article on how to configure your #Firestore indexes in code https://rias.be/blog/storing-and-retrieving-webmentions-with-firebase/ (twitter.com/_/status/1183677808406683648)
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[KevinMarks] I had a timeout thing like that with AWS lambdas, except they default to 3 seconds, and it can take 2 seconds for one to spin up. So when testing it was fine as there was an instance still around, but when the actual events fired they kept timing out.
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@wouterds @aaronpk @indiewebcamp Hi guys, I'm trying to get http://webmention.io working for my website but e.g. tweet linked here has 60+ likes but I only seem to get around 20 back? I'm using it in combination with https://brid.gy. https://twitter.com/wouterds/status/1160246913754718214 (twitter.com/_/status/1183712271664590849)
# @wouterds @aaronpk @indiewebcamp Hi guys, I'm trying to get http://webmention.io working for my website but e.g. tweet linked here has 60+ likes but I only seem to get around 20 back? I'm using it in combination with https://brid.gy. https://twitter.com/wouterds/status/1160246913754718214 (twitter.com/_/status/1183712271664590849)
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sebsel The answer is on here: https://brid.gy/about#missing Twitter likes are best effort.
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @windley @dwiner @jjn1 @idworkshop Indieauth is the successor to this idea http://indieauth.net (twitter.com/_/status/1183731765975965696)
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[dougbeal] What happens when you have an atom feed, but the alternate link is type=“application/rss+xml”? Do most feed readers expect such errors?
# [KevinMarks] I would think so. Feeds are broken in all kinds of complicated ways.
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[jgmac1106] Why do I see some feed links with rel "alternative" and others with rel "feed"? When do you use one over the other?
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# [dougbeal] Always use alternate? http://www.rssboard.org/rss-autodiscovery
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jeremycherfas Interesting; although that page itself contains a feed link, Firefox does not in fact display an icon as the page says it will.
# jeremycherfas Oh, I'm not complaining; just making the observation. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw the icon in that way. But the page does tell [jgmac1106] exactly how to encode the various feeds he wants to offer.
# jeremycherfas [dougbeal]++
# [jgmac1106] What is YAML?
# Loqi YAML (YAML Ain't Markup Language) is a data serialization standard https://indieweb.org/YAML
# [jgmac1106] FF did just remove RSS support, page probably not updated. thanks all, excatly what I was looking for
# [jgmac1106] Just got GitHub Actions authorized but looks like it is using YAML so need to learn up on that, I see their is a nice GitHub to FTP action, could save me a s tep
# [jgmac1106] wondering what I am doing wrong here, I am trying to use the link to Granary as a feed maybe in a way that doesn't work: https://github.com/jgmac1106/homepage/blob/master/index.php
# [dougbeal] Granary translates rss to atom? Or is it h-entry’s to rss/atom?
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# [jgmac1106] okay thx aaronpk
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# [dougbeal] [jgmac1106]: the rss feeds should be application/rss+xml, and the quickthoughts don’t have alternate
# [jgmac1106] ohh thought rss+xml sounded redundant
# [jgmac1106] thx
# [jgmac1106] aaronpk trying to solve multiple issues, you and Doug pointed each pointed out one
# [jgmac1106] but what I am trying to do is when someone puts my url into a popular feed reader like inoreader or Feedly I want people to have a choice of feeds to subcribe to...or I need to write a "How to Follow Me Page"
# jeremycherfas That may be more a question for the feedreader than for you. If you have your rel=alternate all set up as on that page, I do not believe there is any more you can do locally.
# [jgmac1106] wonder how WordPress sites do it. They show category rss feeds when I look for feeds
# jeremycherfas View source?
# [jgmac1106] yeah, class is about to start, did find some other errors in my validations to fix, so bonus, had a <p> inside <span>
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# [jgmac1106] aaronpk++ [dougbeal]++ for the help got https://jgregorymcverry.com/articles working hopefully fix more after class, this week
# [dougbeal] Nice
# [jgmac1106] dougbeal++
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# [dougbeal] I want to take the HWC svg icon and replace one of the bits of the W with the evergreen emoji, any suggestions on tools?
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# [dougbeal] Oh, looks like Inkscape is now 64 bit on MacOS
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# [jgmac1106] Alright now, have feeds up and recognized by inoreader and Feedly
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# jeremycherfas [jgmac1106]++
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# jeremycherfas Alas, having an h-card of <data> elements on every post does not help webmention.io find author name, photo or url.
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# [jgmac1106] Can you include an h-card in you footer or a u-uid link and use <a class=“p-author" href=“/"></a>?
# [jgmac1106] ... Goes to check authoring page to make sure I wrote that correctly
# jeremycherfas But I don't want to include an h-card in my gfooter. Last time I went round this, I think it was [tantek] who helped me prepare one with <data>.
# [jgmac1106] <aside>loving the typography work you did
# jeremycherfas Thanks, but that's the old version. (The new one is very similar.)
# [jgmac1106] Always fall back on display:none... Not ideal but if it works
# jeremycherfas Yeah, maybe. But not yet.
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[dmitshur] What do people think of the new WebAuthn web standard?
# [dmitshur] GitHub has started using it recently for security keys, https://github.blog/2019-08-21-github-supports-webauthn-for-security-keys/
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gRegorLove Under the three dots menu I see "dismiss review" is that what you mean?
# gRegorLove right of "tantek requested changes ..."
# gRegorLove but when do doors open? :)
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# ShokuninDiscord[ Hey
# ShokuninDiscord[ Has anyone tried moving to a virtual number setup?
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’m thinking of migrating to a Linux phone or just using a laptop or mini laptop
# ShokuninDiscord[ And basically ditching my phone number
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’m wondering if there’s a good phone call and sms alternative that would work web based
# ShokuninDiscord[ Maybe someone here knows a self hosted solution, or a good service? (Preferably not Google Voice)
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# ShokuninDiscord[ I figured! Hahaha
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[tantek] email is an internet based sms alternative. I really should blog about all the gateways some day (i.e. if you have someone's cell # and provider, you can automatically turn that into an email address that will show up on their phone as an SMS. or you just make them "SMS" you first to your email address 😄 )
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Voice" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google Voice is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Asterisk" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Asterisk is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’ve looked into asterisk and pbx stuff way back, but there’s so much overhead
# ShokuninDiscord[ Twilit would indeed be great. I just wish I didn’t have to build anything
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[grantcodes] I think it's still not recommended, as there are still lots of important services that don't work with virtual numbers - banks etc.
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’d love to get rid of my mobile phone though
# ShokuninDiscord[ And just walk around with a laptop
# ShokuninDiscord[ Much more versatile than the inverse!
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# ShokuninDiscord[ Honestly as long as I can get sms and calls somewhere
# ShokuninDiscord[ It’s more like a PO Box, I barely want to use it
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’m on signal and Matrix and such 99% of the time
# ShokuninDiscord[ Exactly
# ShokuninDiscord[ Hence my conclusion!
# ShokuninDiscord[ Yeah it’s looking pretty good for that, I agree
# ShokuninDiscord[ I’ll explore and update 🙂
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# [dmitshur] I used an iPad mini (with LTE) as my only mobile device from 2012 to 2018. Went through some crappy VOIP solutions but eventually settled on google voice. I used a temporary landline number to bootstrap it and then removed it, it’s only needed to make the account.
# ShokuninDiscord[ iPad has a (super proprietary) forwarding solution
# ShokuninDiscord[ You happy with google voice?
# [dmitshur] I’ll answer in the other channel
# [dmitshur] > In the context of IndieAuth, WebAuthn can be used as the way you log in to your own site, which then you can use with IndieAuth to log in to other sites.
# [dmitshur] Nice, that’s exactly how I imagined it could be used to begin with.
# [dmitshur] But I’m curious how it compares for the purpose of doing authentication on other websites (instead of IndieAuth).
# [dmitshur] Right, no identity is the main difference I see. With IndieAuth you can get the user’s URL, and possibly photo, name, etc.
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# [dmitshur] Yeah, but that’s one of the nice properties of IndieAuth too. No need to keep per-website password to login.
# [dmitshur] I’m a bit surprised that angle doesn’t seem to be mentioned much. Isn’t it one of the prominent benefits of adopting IndieAuth? That (assuming websites you care about support it) you can use it to login to many sites and not have to manage passwords for each.
# [dmitshur] And unlike “login with Facebook” you can be confident your own website won’t ban your own account one day.
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@rrrrrrrix ↩️ @murderofcrows Got me motivated to write the code to send webmentions to all the URLs in a post, though, thanks ;)
https://code.rix.si/rrix/arcology/commit/0e6d8d0580812add4be24012b613a7090bb30ca6 (twitter.com/_/status/1183853496124051457)
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# [tantek] for /discovery for example
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[manton] Basically in Micro.blog I've resisted hashtags because I think they inevitable lead to trending searches, which can be abused on Twitter. So we do discovery by a combination of manual curation and things like emoji as [aaronpk] mentioned (which are limited in scope and so easy to stay on top of vs. unlimited hashtags).
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tag cloud" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tag cloud is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/emoji (ordered by use but not scaled)
# [jgmac1106] So many teacher blogs still use tag clouds
# [KevinMarks] Emoji feel more like /mood
# [KevinMarks] Especially with Aaron's emoji portrait thing
# [KevinMarks] I used to have a tag cloud when technorati injected one
# [manton] [Rose] Oh, I thought of another reason the categories might not be working... Micro.blog usually notices if it's WordPress and uses the XML-RPC API, not Micropub. You can select a default category for WordPress in the settings on iOS, but picking a category for a new post is Micropub-only.
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# dougbeal|mb1 tantek: I have a tag and kinds cloud
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