[tantek]posted earlier in meta but figured this might appeal to dev more - CFP for Mozilla space talks at FOSDEM in Brussels 1-2 Feb 2020! http://mzl.la/2MDQEIF
[jgmac1106]Yeah and now with some of the actions I might be able to go live from a text editor on my phone real quick.... Way easier than me figuring out micropub endpoints (for now)
[jgmac1106]No tear, excited to see if I can get it working. Have templates for notes, replies, and posts ready to go on the phone. Will learn micropub one day, that day is not today
[tantek]especially since I know my personal pain/struggle points will be with all things post creating/editing/undoing UX and feeling the "freedom" to rewrite things however necessary to make it all work the way it feels it should work feels pretty important
Loqimessaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/direct_message
sknebelgRegorLove: I seem to remember sebsel had an interface one could describe as DM for the private webmention experiments we did, unless I'm confusing "planned" with "implemented" here
sknebelfor photos: would it work if a reader puts all photos in a photo gallery at the top of the post, and then shows eventual text content below? then it might be a photo post
aaronpk[schmarty]: think of it this way... you've already gone to the trouble of "marking up" your photos in HTML by placing them in specific locations in between text
[fluffy]One thing that bugs me with the way that mf2 represents photo collections is that it treats the text as being just an unassociated piece of text for the entire thing, but there’s a lot of use cases for having photos being inline into long swaths of text, like when talking about building things or doing reviews of stuff or just, like, articles in general.
[tantek]"use cases for having photos being inline into long swaths of text, like when talking about building things or doing reviews of stuff or just, like, *articles* in general." <--- you answered your own question. that's not a photo collection, that's an *article*
[fluffy]I keep on feeling like whenever I read up on the mf2 semantic stuff used in indieweb things I get confused because like, it’s supposed to be this uniform thing that everything fits into to be Indieweb Compatible but then the things I’ve already been doing turn into edge cases instead
[fluffy]so okay what I’m getting from this is that I shouldn’t add `u-photo` classes to my article/blog/etc. posts, but just to my art/comics/etc. posts
[fluffy]okay but then the reason I started adding u-photo to everything was that bridgy fed was insisting on that for any images to pass through, because that was necessary to make it activitypub-compatible, because activitypub folks (I know, that isn’t indieweb) get upset about IMO spurious privacy concerns
[snarfed]i think the same idea applies even w/bridgy fed. put everything into e-content, bridgy fed should pass that through. your real problem may be that mastodon itself doesn't support articles, ie photos interspersed into text
[fluffy]it’s just so hard for me as a relative newcomer to understand where different things begin and end, and I’m still in a monkey-see monkey-do state with understanding what microformat stuff to use where
[fluffy]but then mastodon folks complain about how it’s not good enough, because mastodon folks want mastodon to be the mastodon that mastodons everything
[fluffy]okay well I’m glad I had this conversation then, I learned stuff and also removed u-photo from the posts on my site which don’t want to be photo posts
[fluffy]I think having a high-level document that says what the different post types are and how they are expressed in the mf2 would be helpful. Or maybe there is one that I just haven’t managed to see in all this, in which case that needs better visibility. 🙂
[fluffy]yeah a lot of my confusion comes from trying to make things as low-friction as possible, like I try to manage as much as I can in Publ’s templates rather than having to hand-write HTML or decide anything about fiddly bits of the underlying HTML. 🙂
[fluffy]my eventual goal is to make a Tumblr-like posting frontend for Publ, and trying to figure out how all that stuff works together is… challenging.
[fluffy]Originally I was going to have Publ do specific post types but then I thought that was too hyper-specific and limiting so I decided that instead you could define your own post types as appropriate in the template and everything’s “just HTML” anyway.
[tantek]explicitly separate post types in the UI was a brief weird trend in the mid-to-late 2000s (hence Tumblr era) which subsequently got dumped for the "just add what content you want" to your post design, and zero cognitive load / decision paralysis about having to *pick* a post type.
[tantek] posted earlier in meta but figured this might appeal to dev more - CFP for Mozilla space talks at FOSDEM in Brussels 1-2 Feb 2020! http://mzl.la/2MDQEIF
[xavierroy] I use tagmojis for some of my posts
@jgmac1106 ↩️ thx for pinging. I can add the metadata but it really is just for fun until webmention support was added. I can't do that. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1w4LUk) (twitter.com/_/status/1184091318642974723)
[jgmac1106] Anyone have a GitHub client for Android they like? Tried Fasthub but it seems to have breaking bugs and all issues go unanswered
gRegorLove Is anyone doing DM sending on their site?
Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/direct_message
[schmarty] This is when I get confused about when (not to) mark up photos and videos
@davidwbarratt ↩️ @ericlbarnes that standard already exists between http://schema.org and WebMentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1184246365003636741)
[fluffy] One thing that bugs me with the way that mf2 represents photo collections is that it treats the text as being just an unassociated piece of text for the entire thing, but there’s a lot of use cases for having photos being inline into long swaths of text, like when talking about building things or doing reviews of stuff or just, like, articles in general.