#dev 2019-11-15

2019-11-15 UTC
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jacky yo anyone got a decent solution for static map images?
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jacky I might just lean on using leaflet for now since my microsub client uses a wee bit of JavaScript already
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aaronpk https://atlas.p3k.io
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aaronpk or https://github.com/aaronpk/Static-Maps-API-PHP if you want to self host
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Loqi [aaronpk] Static-Maps-API-PHP: A PHP app that renders static maps from tile hosting services
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jacky nice
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jacky I'd rather self host; wouldn't want to blow anything up with requests
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jacky what is map
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Loqi Maps are representations of the real world https://indieweb.org/map
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jacky guessing the info at /static_maps is out of date
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jacky oh no it's not
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jacky the repo link points to esripdx
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aaronpk not anymore :)
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jacky lolol
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[KevinMarks] [tantek] can't you flip an image with CSS transformation?
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jacky ooh I really like this https://codepen.io/paulnoble/pen/ZYOzLG
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jacky it's a CSS-only image carousel that uses the `:check` technique
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jacky I'm trying to keep my JS bill low for Lwa (it's already pretty heavy)
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GWG I have a lot of static map APIs
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jacky mind listing them at /static_maps?, GWG?
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GWG jacky: I will be happy to
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jacky :)
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[tantek] So making & testing iOS shortcuts is pretty frustrating
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[tantek] No errors, just silent failure
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[grantcodes] Oh please just use js when it makes sense. Using checkboxes for a photo gallery must be far worse for accessibility and abilities that js. Progressive enhancement > hacks
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jacky did you look at the linked pens [grantcodes]?
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jacky granted I wouldn't be able to use some of these on the fly
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[grantcodes] Yes. You could write it with less js than CSS & html. It's a fun challenge but not a good idea for an actual end product imo
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[tantek] I made a brand new shortcut, added the flip photo action and save to camera roll action, enabled it for the share sheet. It shows up there when sharing a photo, selecting it seems to execute it and do nothing :(
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[tantek] Reminds me of weird AppleScript failures. Apple hasn’t gotten user scripting right since HyperTalk
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aaronpk i think you have to tell it something to do with the photo afterwards, like save it or share it back out to something
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[tantek] I did. I addd the save to photo album action
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GWG aaronpk: How do you determine the map zoom level on your displayed maps?
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aaronpk and the photo isn't in the album?
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aaronpk IIRC there is no visual feedback when it adds something to the album
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[tantek] Right. No photo shows up in the album
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aaronpk GWG: https://github.com/aaronpk/Static-Maps-API-PHP/blob/master/img.php#L161
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GWG Thank you
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GWG Hmm...
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jacky okay so random
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jacky aaronpk: on your site, I'm seeing that photo as a top-level 'photo' field
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jacky https://aaronparecki.com/2019/11/14/15/
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jacky and like it doesn't seem to be the one _you've_ posted but it's part of the "reply context" of that post
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jacky is that intentional?
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aaronpk hmm no
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jacky I ask because my reader is treating it as part of the reply (like + photo)
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aaronpk yeah that's wrong on my side
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aaronpk a side effect of my templates
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jacky I know that feel
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jacky good to know tho!
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jacky I should also maybe _ignore_ anything else in a post if it's a like
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aaronpk i was about to say
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aaronpk on the consuming side, you should recognize it as a like from the like-of property, and ignore everything else
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Loqi yea
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jacky oof yeah I might just change this to spit out different templates based on the post type
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jacky I was trying to avoid that but it's better than this if/else disaster lol
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jacky yeah that fixed it up
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aaronpk yeah i ended up with a couple special templates for the drastically different things like likes and events, but then everything else is handled with things like "if there is a photo, show the photo"
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jacky oof this is entering 'what makes a post a "photo" post' territory now
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jacky _actually_
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jacky since this is using PTD, I should be okay
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jacky just going to make explicit templates for each
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GWG How does this look? https://wpdev.gwg.us/2018/11/02/map/
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[tantek] [Rose] when you’re up, I posted (up above) the Shortcuts script I was trying to no avail and there’s no obvious reason why it shouldn’t work. About to give up on Shortcuts
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[tantek] and didn’t work. This one worked: https://www6.lunapic.com/editor/
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[fluffy] [aaronpk] so I just found out that indieauth.com’s endpoint’s code validation defaults to content-type application/x-www-form-urlencoded in its response without an Accept: header provided. Is this intended?
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[fluffy] It seems to be intended in the code, I mean, but there’s nothing in the spec that indicates that Accept: is required, just implied
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aaronpk Yeah it's for backwards compatibility reasons
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[fluffy] ah, it was causing a problem with Authl. 🙂 Compatibility with what? Should the spec be updated to indicate that Accept: is mandatory?
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[fluffy] Or should I open an issue against indieauth.com?
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aaronpk hm I am not sure
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aaronpk an early version of the spec used only form encoded
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[fluffy] hmm
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[fluffy] Feels like maybe the spec should say that the client should, like, handle multiple content-types in the response then, if those implementations should remain supported
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[fluffy] personally I’d rather not have to parse www-form-urlencoded though
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[fluffy] I guess I’ll finish writing this issue against indieauth.com and let you decide what to do with it. (and I’ll have AUthl start sending an Accept header)
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jacky working with NativeScript is making me like mobile app development again
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swentel morning
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Loqi good morning
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swentel aaronpk, do you clean up/remove items in aperture after a while? Or you just don't show them anymore?
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[tonz] @swentel I thikn he has a 7 day retention window
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swentel hmm yeah, it's on the pricing page indeed
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swentel I have a funny issue in the drupal microsub server
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swentel which allows you to cleanup items, (e.g. you only want to keep the latest 20 posts)
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swentel but when using filters (e.g. don't show my checkin posts), those never get 'read', so they aren't cleaned up
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swentel not sure how to handle this gracefully
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swentel s/my//
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sebsel swentel: to quote him from an earlier conversation you had https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-02-20#t1550686864482700
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Loqi [aaronpk] so my fix is I added a flag to the entries table to mark whether an entry is currently in the feed. now when the second pass runs, it will never actually delete an entry if it's marked as being in the last snapshot of the feed
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sebsel hm, it's more the whole conversation there I wanted to point to
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sebsel but the point there is that entries are linked to channels. and the purge is done by first unlinking, and then deleting all the orphaned entries.
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sebsel seems like you have orphaned entries in the first place.
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sebsel (note: haven't read either of your codebases, so just interpreting what I read here)
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swentel yeah, that probably works
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swentel I guess I shouldn't worry that much because of this 'exclude from reading' filter which can be turned off again
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sebsel there is reading and there is storing. seems to me that "cleanup items" and "keep the latest 20 posts" is about storing.
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sebsel the read-filter should go over the files that are stored, not a stored-filter over the files that are read, right?
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sebsel if that makes any sense...
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voxpelli Have we defined a way to post arbitrary content types to MicroPub? Not just HTML and plain text?
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swentel sebsel, mm not sure if I understand that second sentence :)
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sebsel yea I hope I understand your setup enough to make comments at all.
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sebsel what kind of cleanup is it your talking about? something that runs on cron / automatic? or a button the user clicks?
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swentel it happens when new feed items are imported
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swentel practical example
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swentel aaron's feed contains a lot of checkins
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swentel I'm not interested in that, so on the channel level, I say, don't show me checkin posts when I read that channel in my reader
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swentel but, those items are still imported
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swentel all other items are marked when I read the other posts from aaron, but not the checkin posts since their id's aren't passed on from the reader
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swentel then when new items are available for aaron, after parsing and storing then, I check whether I need to delete old entries in the storage. In this case, I tell, only keep 20 ites
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swentel however
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swentel I also make sure that I don't delete unread items
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swentel because you know, maybe you still want to read them, or it's a busy feed, or you're on holiday etc
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swentel but as checkins are never marked read, they will never be removed either
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swentel so either
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swentel a) I also check for the exclude filters and remove them
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swentel b) I stop caring about unread items after a certain threshold
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swentel My feeling is that I should probably should go for the first option
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swentel that probably makes more sense
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[KevinMarks] I'd say that we do have arbitrary content types (via the media endpoint) , but that checkins are html. However once you treat them differently from other posts, you should be consistent about it. Maybe you want another flag than 'read' to mean 'ignored'
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swentel hmm interesting, reading aperture's code now
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swentel It looks like it doesn't store items which should be included
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swentel I always thought that was a reading level, not storage
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swentel checking further
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swentel (that would make even more sense I guess)
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sebsel voxpelli: I know Quill has a hidden Markdown-mode which triggers when you type ` backticks. But I don't see it listed on /Micropub-extensions
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sebsel I can't actually trigger it now but it was something with backticks.
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sebsel type a note with backticks and refresh!
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voxpelli I see, I’m thinking whether one could use a somewhat proprietary payload instead of HTML to get things moving towards a more standardized future
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voxpelli Internally at a company I mean
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sebsel swentel: yes, that would be what I would do: don't store filtered entries; filter on import.
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[KevinMarks] Or you could add custom microformats to the posts.
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[tantek] Turns out that flip site returns a very low resolution image :(
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jeremycherfas !tell miklb If you still need an exist.io code, let me know
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[frank] [snarfed] I might have missed something but is Instagram not working with Granary anymore? I get a 403 when I click on the link on the site.
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swentel yeah, that has been disabled since a month or so
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swentel maybe longer
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swentel I directly use instagram pages now in my microsub server, seems to works fine too
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swentel [frank], see https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/170
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Loqi [snarfed] #170 disable instagram in REST API
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[LewisCowles] Todays less about caching to bypass awful application complexity… Don’t, or at least make application use compound keys for compound subjects.
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[jgmac1106] kartik on your vita how to you handle "under review" and "in press"? I was thinking I either just use a p-category before dt-published or use a dt-published including date of submission for under review and date of acceptance for in press...
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[jgmac1106] of course it doesn't really matter as no one will ever parse my vita
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[jgmac1106] I think for more video page gonna keep it simple and just use flexbox, one h-feed for each video series, on box per feed, then a feed with all videos
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[tantek] Right. Why markup things you know aren’t going to be parsed unless you’re talking actively with parsing implementers?
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[tantek] Alright giving up on Shortcuts. If something as “simple” as flipping an image is so nontrivial to get working than why bother
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[tantek] Shortcuts ought to ship with something that already works that you can modify
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[KevinMarks] img {transform: scaleX(-1);}
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[KevinMarks] related: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1195296453050142722
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@kevinmarks @Ethelmonster When I click through, yes. I think it's a twitter bug. (twitter.com/_/status/1195296453050142722)
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[tantek] Can you build that as a web page that takes the image as input?
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[KevinMarks] can you do a transform while drawing into a canvas?
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[KevinMarks] source for that tweet https://twitter.com/Ethelmonster/status/1195283681109331968
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@Ethelmonster I have a cold https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJaAKxzWwAA24wf.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1195283681109331968)
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[KevinMarks] twitter draws it sideways on desktop web
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jacky voxpelli: that's something I want to do. like store markdown on my micropub endpoint
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jacky voxpelli: what I considered is adding another k/v to `content` with the key being the MIME type of the new content type (text/markdown, text/jinja) and let the client handle that accordingly
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voxpelli jacky: I’m spontaneously leaning more towards having the type in one key and the value in another key
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[tantek] only works if you only have one value
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voxpelli true [tantek]
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voxpelli would be neat to be able to use Micropub as the API for publishing articles at the newspapers where I work
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voxpelli and have that accept plain text, HTML as well as our existing internal format
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[tantek] Agreed
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[KevinMarks] what is the internal format like?
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jacky voxpelli: you mean something like `{'type': 'text/markdown', 'value': 'dfdsfsdfsdfsdfdfd'}`?
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jacky that's probably more JSON-y/XML-y
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jacky my idea was def a little convulted
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jacky one thing I'd like to have in micropub (I think it's doable, technically!) is the ability to define a 'page' on my site
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jacky not necessarily a post or a h-entry
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jacky but like defining static pages like https://jacky.wtf/pay/ or https://jacky.wtf/work/
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Loqi jackyalcine
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jacky that's actually the last thing stopping from making my instance of Koype live at https://jacky.wtf
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Loqi jackyalcine
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[tantek] I feel like we had this page vs post discussion a week ago or so
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[tantek] maybe two weeks. I think I was working on updating my bio for WCUS and wanted to move it from pbwiki to my own site as a "page", but got stuck and couldn't figure out a MVP for adding it to my site at the time. but I'm pretty sure I asked a bunch of questions here and some folks had some answers. it was during the last week or two of October
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jacky ah bet
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jacky [tantek]: was this recorded in chat?
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jacky oh you said here
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[tantek] yes it was all discussed in chat
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[tantek] maybe a little of it made it to the wiki
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edrex beko: what does your markup using post-types look like? example online?
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