#dev 2019-11-22
2019-11-22 UTC
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maxwelljoslyn fsdf
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maxwelljoslyn @jgmac1106 heads up Greg, the link in your nav bar to "consulting" is broken. it links to https://consulting.jgregorymcverry.com but shows me some kind of empty directory
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maxwelljoslyn It's all well and good to use webmention with mf2 like "reply-to", "like-of", "bookmark-of" etc. but all of these are reactions to other people's stuff. what's the right way to make a public post but target it at a specific person? "person-mentions"?
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maxwelljoslyn actualy, maybe what I'm trying to ask is: what's the indieweb replacement for email? reading https://indieweb.org/email for suggestions atm
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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maxwelljoslyn @mblaney ++ thanks, that's what I was trying to rememberf when I said "person mention"
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maxwelljoslyn @mblaney not working on anything in particular, was just curious. but I added some stuff to my wiki user page https://indieweb.org/User%3AWww.maxwelljoslyn.com
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GWG_ [Rose]: Try the portal url + /fapi/flightData
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maxwelljoslyn Whoa, it's a whole new world in there. Like a sixth sense
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maxwelljoslyn @jacky Lol if you mean "a whole new world" then I was talking about the #meta channel!
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Loqi Twitter (also known as Twitter.com) is a popular content hosting silo most well known for originally limited to 140 characters text notes https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel-me
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jacky the red is a bit harsh but https://i.imgur.com/DFst0he.png
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gRegorLove jacky, does Patreon let you link your homepage? I see all the social icons but not a link to your homepage
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gRegorLove That's... wild
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gRegorLove Maybe could post on https://www.patreondevelopers.com/ to ask for rel-me, and links to homepages, hah
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gRegorLove That latter one seems like a big oversight for them, haha
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gRegorLove heh, maybe. just seems really anti their stated mission of helping fund the creative class
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gRegorLove even FB lets us link our homepage 🤣
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gRegorLove I like your color formatting for different types of posts here https://v2.jacky.wtf/stream?type=responses
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gRegorLove bridge all the things!
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[KevinMarks] @jacky if you use the intent link you get rel=me and hcard
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[LewisCowles] zegnat++
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[KevinMarks] you can link the intent from your site and get a rel=me back (through a t.co redirect), or you can special case twitter URLs (unmung does)
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[KevinMarks] It's better if they do put rel=me on the link, yes, but we've always made some special cases http://gmpg.org/xfn/and/
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Zegnat [KevinMarks]: you have just given me more work, turns out some copyright statements on my GMPG archive are out of date https://github.com/Zegnat/html-gmpgdotorg/issues/4
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Zegnat [tantek]: didn’t https://gmpg.org/xfn/ use to be blank? We had to always link to https://gmpg.org/xfn/11. It was one of the reasons I started a github repo for a mirror.
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maxwelljoslyn @tantek: ++ thanks for the heads-up about person mention vs person tag. Having seen both pages now, they need editing: the person-tag page starts off by saying "a person-tag is a person-mention" which you've just said isn't correct and which the rest of those pages also indicate isn't correct. am writing a post for my own sake & I'll edit the wiki when I'm done
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Loqi person mention is a homepage webmention sent to a person's homepage https://indieweb.org/person-mention
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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maxwelljoslyn @jacky with respect, I don't think "person tag = person mention + context" is correct either. beginning of person-tag wiki page, "a person tag IS A person mention", appears to contradict material on that page + material on person-mention page. see my post here, and @everyone please chime in if I'm misunderstanding maxwelljoslyn.com/blog/2019/11/22/1
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maxwelljoslyn @jacky transport vs. content is a good way to put it ++
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maxwelljoslyn jack++ I keep getting that wrong
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maxwelljoslyn ugh. jacky++
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mblaney The problem with trying to split them as you've done in your post maxwelljoslyn is that a person mention as defined is only referring to the markup on the page. You can't say it's not a person mention just because you don't send a webmention... anyone else can send the webmention on your behalf.
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maxwelljoslyn Was under the impression that the 'mention' in person mention referred to the part where you send a webmention *is confused again*
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maxwelljoslyn So could I think of it as "person mention" is level 1 of mentioning someone in content, and level 2 is adding more markup to make it a person tag?
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maxwelljoslyn I think part of my struggle is that both mention and tag can be verb or noun :^(
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maxwelljoslyn @mblaney how can person mention "as defined" only refer to markup? the very first sentence on that page is "a person mention is a homepage webmention"...
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[KevinMarks] Part of this is merging norms from different silos. In twitter, an @ is a mention, but in flickr it was more of a labelling of presence. Twitter now has the second type when you tag people into a picture.
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[KevinMarks] Facebook has both too, and adds a possible face rectangle for the picture case. In foursquare/swarm , tagging people is saying that they were with you.
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maxwelljoslyn @mblaney whereas the person-tag page is concerned with markup
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[KevinMarks] A person tag is more like expressing presence, whereas a mention is looser - you may be notifying them, or bringing them in, or snitch tagging.
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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maxwelljoslyn tantek++ thank you, that helps -- wiki pictures where person-mentions are w/in text content and person-tag buttons/indicators are in separate location, also helps make diff. clear
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maxwelljoslyn I updated my post to reflect the 2nd round of discussion. TY everyone
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[fluffy] I have learned more than I wanted to about /shopping-cart stuff over the last few days and for now I’m just using Storenvy for https://biz.beesbuzz.biz/ because holy crap that’s a lot of work.
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maxwelljoslyn fluffy++ i like the shop, your learning binge gave good results :)
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[schmarty] fluffy++ for biz.beesbuzz.biz as a subdomain 😂
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[manton] Question for folks who have a link blog... Does anyone formalize "via" (where you heard about what you're blogging about) with a custom field in your blogging system? It was suggested that JSON Feed support that as a separate field, like on this blog, and I'm wondering how common that is. https://letra.studio/blog/links/
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