#dev 2019-12-12

2019-12-12 UTC
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[tantek] feeling particularly pressured today to show *something* of @-replies etc. to my posts
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aaronpk GWG_: i've been wanting my website to be a carddav server too! I've looked into it multiple times, but every time I try, the libraries I find are absolutely inscrutible
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GWG_ aaronpk: Is the protocol that bad that it couldn't be written easily without using someone else's library?
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GWG_ Although if you think something is hard...that scares me
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk this is supposed to be the canonical php library for dealing with it http://sabre.io/dav/carddav/
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[tantek] yeah I'm not a fan of all the *DAVs
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[tantek] however they do have the advantage of being built-in supported by Apple iOS client apps like Calendar
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aaronpk yeah that's really my only interest in them
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aaronpk I finally do have my iOS calendar and contacts app pushing data to my nextcloud instance. but i've already discovered some unfortunate inconsistencies... like the iOS UI field for a person's "website" gets written as a custom carddav field so nextcloud can't see it
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[tantek] right, that's part of the problem with CardDav and CalDav and vCard and iCal. lack of proper open test suites
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aaronpk at this point i'd probably be better off pulling data out of the nextcloud API rather than trying to implement carddav
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[tantek] frankly in this whole Twitter / standards blow-up, that's going to bite ActivityPub too - the lack of actual test suite (still!) for the AP federation protocol
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aaronpk that's already bitten activitypub
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[tantek] lack of test suites = proprietary extension leakage
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aaronpk it's like the first complaint every time there's a discussion about activitypub/mastodon/etc
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aaronpk including on today's hackernews thread
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] it will soon be 3 years since the ActivityPub REC, that should have been plenty of time for a test suite!
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[tantek] the lack of prioritizing it, while people are developing "works with Mastodon" solutions, is kind of a big problem for AP
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[fluffy] Is there a particular way to change an RSVP status? Just updating the p-rsvp property doesn’t seem like it’s enough if that doesn’t cause the endpoint to actually re-parse the mf2
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[fluffy] and it seems like most endpoints don’t
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[tantek] it should
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[tantek] you have to resend a webmention
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[tantek] works with mine (and thus webmention.io)
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aaronpk yeah changing the p-rsvp value then sending a webmention again
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[fluffy] I mean I did resend it but that hasn’t updated it on https://hwc.dougbeal.com/event/2019-12-11-hwc/
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Seattle Area - 2019-12-11
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aaronpk the webmention spec talks about updates
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[fluffy] and that uses webmention.io
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[fluffy] but maybe there’s a hook that takes a while to execute?
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[tantek] looks like it - it's in Hugo
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[fluffy] ah ok
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[tantek] might need something to trigger a rebuild
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aaronpk it's a hugo site so there's no way to know its schedule for rebuilding the pages
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[tantek] SSGproblems 🙂
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[fluffy] yeah oh well
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dougbeal It cache's the json, so I have to delete it and regenerate
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aaronpk now i'm not sure whether webmention.io provides any clue that a webmention has been updated (other than the web hook feature)
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dougbeal fluffy: Your webmention is updated, but mine isn't. I think becuase I selected remote.
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[fluffy] ah
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[fluffy] thanks for updating anyway
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@shindakun Testing something out don't mind me. https://shindakun.micro.blog/2019/12/11/webmentions-are-coming.html (twitter.com/_/status/1205006747997356032)
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swentel https://indigenous.realize.be/themes/custom/indigenous_theme/images/manage_contacts.jpg
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swentel yay :)
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Loqi 😄
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swentel GWG_, more work ^ ;)
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[grantcodes] Wow that's really cool swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (30 in all channels)
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swentel thanks :)
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swentel you can also directly save the author from every microsub item while reading
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[grantcodes] Oh that's a great idea. I will need to try and start building more of that into my stuff
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[grantcodes] I had autocompletion of mentions from the indieweb directory, but never really ended up using it 🤷‍♂️
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swentel hehe
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swentel indigenous now supports autocompletion too in content
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swentel it's so great to see all things coming together
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[grantcodes] How are they then marked up? An a tag with h-card?
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swentel no, just prefixed with an @ for now in the content property
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swentel I'm working on a filter server side to replace @usernames with actual links then
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[grantcodes] Ah, I used an a tag with h-card. That way the server is likely to send a webmention. But very few people probably parse @texts
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swentel hmm, true, that makes sense
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swentel But I don't send json (yet) with indigenous, I'd have to switch it completely, but it's probably worth it
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[grantcodes] Ah yeah. I basically only ever use json. I'm sure it has other advantages too.
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[LewisCowles] swentel++
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Loqi swentel has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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[tantek] CASSIS autolink parses and auto-links @-mentions in plain text
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[tantek] So my site does that, and anyone that uses that autolinker too
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[LewisCowles] I only just realized it’s not a page behaving like an app, but an app 😬
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[jgmac1106] Google flagged my url shortner as a dangerous website.....nothing like telling audience members, "Click on see details, then proceed to unsafe site"
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[jgmac1106] ooh maybe I didn't force the redirect, lemme check
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[LewisCowles] Was it due to lack of https, or some other reason?
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1205155769215148032?s=20
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@seldo "You can just create a file in this directory and you get a route in your web app with that name!" "Oh, like PHP?" (twitter.com/_/status/1205155769215148032)
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aaronpk yessss
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[tantek] PHP << https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1205152990044180482
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1205152990044180482" to the "See Also" section of /PHP https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67212&oldid=56809
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[KevinMarks] I'm basically writing PHP apps using nunjucks in node or jinja2 in Python
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aaronpk meanwhile, in the last 10 years, php got all the good language additions from everything else
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[KevinMarks] does it have a good way of chaining async things now? (I'm not saying js does, quite)
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aaronpk well because each request is processed independently it often doesn't matter
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aaronpk and when you do need to do long running tasks you're better off with a proper job queue anyway and then it *really* doesn't matter
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aaronpk but if you wanna pretend you're writing node, there's always this https://amphp.org
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[KevinMarks] php has generator with yield now?
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aaronpk see what i mean
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[KevinMarks] ah neat, so I could do the coroutine pipeline stuff I do in python with PHP too
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[jgmac1106] excited to getting back to learning PHP in between semesters
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[KevinMarks] deploying PHP by ftp to the server is a lot quicker than the song and dance I do with node on AWS
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aaronpk there are so many good things about php now, and they keep getting rid of a lot of the bad things
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[tantek] not sure when song & dance ceremonies got so popular with developers, or why
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[LewisCowles] It’s because the premise of Agile falls apart quickly when you don’t have a high enough barrier to deploy
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[LewisCowles] For Indieweb it’s fine if a deploy fails and bad things happen
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[LewisCowles] It’s an edge-focused endeavour. A lot of the rest of the web is quite centralised, especially commercial apps
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GWG_ Lot going on
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swentel GWG_, what do you mean by stripping url?
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GWG_ swentel: If the share intent sends both a url and a title, only send the url
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GWG_ Extract is probably a better word
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swentel ok, so basically what I'm doing anyway no?
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swentel (besides fixing the crash)
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swentel or, in case there's text AND url, but the url is in the SUBJECT (which I currently don't check), send that?
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swentel GWG_, or what goes 'wrong' in your case (besides the crash maybe)
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GWG_ Yes...
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GWG_ Just make sure it sends the right thing?
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swentel well, that's a subjective thing no?
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swentel I don't know if you want text or url :)
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swentel and which post type you want to open
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GWG_ swentel: If it is a bookmark, like, etc, URL
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GWG_ swentel: If it's a note...text
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swentel right
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swentel but I can imagine, someone wants to share a url in a note :)
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[tantek] that's what auto-linking is for 🙂
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jacky the mf2 I get from some sites makes me want to cry
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aaronpk ya
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