#dev 2019-12-16

2019-12-16 UTC
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@bradenslen I just set up https://b2evolution.net/ CMS/blog(s) ver 6.11.4. It has the ability to send and receive Webmentions as per the Indieweb. This was discussed before but now I can confirm. I’m still wandering around the backend getting familier with it. (twitter.com/_/status/1206369925457235969)
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[snarfed] ok jamietanna tantek etc, twitter bridgy publish should be fixed. apologies for the inconvenience. feel free to retry!
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[tantek] snarfed++ thanks for the prompt checking! just tried it and it worked within seconds. thank you!
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I’d recommend taking a look at the Blogging Futures experiment using the blogchain idea. The IndieWeb is using the idea of Webmention to allow site-to-site communication and commenting. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/12/15/55761743/ (twitter.com/_/status/1206411194023546880)
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@mediapathic ↩️ @ChrisAldrich @AGWilsonn I just discovered Webmention last night. I am interested to see how that will go. (twitter.com/_/status/1206418874318479360)
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[dmitshur] I've updated sign in buttons across my entire site to point to new "Sign in via URL" flow. e.g.: before http://instantshare.win/1cb39kxrw8l6r.png after http://instantshare.win/1gbifv4ai22oh.png
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[dmitshur] simple links for now.
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@JamieTanna ↩️ As I've gone all in on the #IndieWeb technologies, I've been using @AaronPK's service https://aperture.p3k.io which supports the open https://indieweb.org/Microsub standard, which supports RSS among other formats - may be worth looking into as it's a great… https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2019/12/08srv/ (twitter.com/_/status/1206471772725547008)
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed thanks - that seems to have sorted my issues too 👍🏽 what was the issue out of interest?
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jacky For those curious and self tracking location: https://github.com/graphhopper/map-matching
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Loqi [graphhopper] map-matching: Map Matching based on GraphHopper
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jacky I track my location when I walk to be more precise and when I'm in faster modes to be less so and my last stroll looked like I attached a tracker into a stray cat and chased them down the street lol
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jacky Looks like mapbox does it too! https://docs.mapbox.com/help/glossary/map-matching-api/
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jacky This is handy
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aaronpk jacky++ that is very cool
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aaronpk I always wanted to do that but didn't want to deal with the massive database required to do it myself
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[snarfed] jamietanna: migrating to the app engine python 3 runtime, which is very different. https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/standard/python3/python-differences
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[snarfed] mblaney++ for https://mblaney.xyz/2019-12-16-I_Haza_Website_domain_registration , impressive!
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aaronpk mblaney++
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[jgmac1106] mblaney++ that is awesome
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed makes sense - gonna be quite a big upheaval - I'm guessing it has to be big bang migration rather than moving modules to it slowly?
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[snarfed] oh i did lots of the latter. runtime and environment are still a single switch though
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vika_nezrimaya quick question for aaronpk: does Quill support passing body for editing in a ?query parameter like the ?reply=<url> query string?
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aaronpk for editing? not sure what you mean
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vika_nezrimaya quill.p3k.io/new?body=awoo pastes "awoo" in the content field
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vika_nezrimaya waterpigs.co.uk/pushups app works kinda that way
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aaronpk oh like prefilling content?
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vika_nezrimaya yep!!!
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aaronpk no I don't have anything like that
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vika_nezrimaya prefilling, thanks for reminding me this word
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vika_nezrimaya any generally available web clients that do?
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aaronpk should ics feeds include past events? i'm not clear on whether calendar apps will delete old events if they disappear from feeds
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[Rose] Usually calendar apps have a limit on how many months of old events they download
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[Rose] I am firmly on the side of "don't remove past events", I know I often go back to find out when I did something and if the event is gone then I can't do that.
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aaronpk same
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aaronpk I guess my question is if a calendar app sees a past event drop off an ics URL, will it delete it from the calendar too?
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[Rose] Yes
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[Rose] They don't copy the events somewhere, they show what's in the feed.
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[Rose] TripIt doesn't remove old events from its ICS, if that helps.
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aaronpk ah great thanks
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aaronpk wow weird, multi-day events need the end date to be +1 day
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aaronpk I guess if it ends at midnight on the 24th then the app shows the last day as the 23rd
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[Rose] I mean, that is midnight
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[Rose] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00
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aaronpk to get an event to show up as happening from June 8-9th, the ical feed needs DTSTART=20190608 DTEND=20190610
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[Rose] Not human logic, but programming logic, I get it, even if it makes my brain a little confused.
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aaronpk wow apple calendar on macos is really buggy
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aaronpk it's like it leaves table cells around when you tab through pages, so ghost events appear until you click them
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[Rose] I've not had that, but I usually use Fantastical.
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aaronpk it's just a UI bug, nothing with the data behind it
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aaronpk i'm also like 2 major OS versions out of date so it may be fixed by now
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swentel hmm someone proposed a logo for Drupal IndieWeb
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swentel issue at https://github.com/swentel/indieweb/issues/460 - proposals at https://ibb.co/F61wSWG
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Loqi [Grienauer] #460 Logo for the project and Drupal.org project page.
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swentel I like the first one personally
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aaronpk is it ok to use the drupal artwork? or is that not actually the exact drupal drop?
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aaronpk usually brands don't let you modify their logo
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swentel hmm, not sure if that's the exact Drupal drop
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swentel it changed a few times already of course
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swentel https://www.drupal.org/about/media-kit/logos is the official page
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aaronpk "The Drupal wordmark should never be embellished, outlined, or altered in any way." is what I was expecting
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@nachtfunke @davatron5000 I think you want this: https://webmention.io/ Re: https://overcast.fm/+OgX1Op3yc/31:19 (twitter.com/_/status/1206637213573885953)
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swentel well, it's not a wordmark here I guess?
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aaronpk yeah they don't have the corresponding text for their logo on that page but I assume it's in the full brand book
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swentel I'll ping some people from the community to be sure :)
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swentel I do like the first one though, but I'm not sure how you or Tantek feel about it?
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swentel so feedback definitely welcome
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swentel [tantek], if you have opinions about the logo, feedback welcome as well (not sure if you see the history here?).
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[tantek] watches aaronpk discover ICS weirdnesses
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aaronpk funtimes
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[tantek] http://microformats.org/wiki/dtend - we made the conscious decision to *change* the HTML semantic of "dtend" (and thus "dt-end") to be what *people* expect it to be / work like instead of the ICS insanity
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Loqi dtend (end-date) is a property of hCalendar. related dtend-issue hCalendar value-class-pattern Retrieved from "http://microformats.org/wiki/dtend"
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[tantek] because people were getting it so wrong
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[tantek] usability overrides syntax/semantics pedantics
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[tantek] And yes H2VX knows how to convert this to the (day after the day an event ends) semantic that ICS needs
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aaronpk oh wow
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[tantek] dtend is a great example of why usability matters in *all* technical design, not just stuff the user directly sees / interacts. developers, web authors etc. are also users
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[tantek] also why plumbing-centric design is wrong wrong wrong
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[tantek] as in, results in more errors when humans try to use it (build on it) etc.
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[tantek] of course maybe it would have helped if there was a public ICS test suite (still isn't AFAIK, e.g. one that you can use to file bugs on Apple iOS Calendar app etc.), or a public ICS validator
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gRegorLove I've used https://icalendar.org/validator.html
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gRegorLove makes note to check on this dtend thing though
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] when did that happen?!?
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aaronpk 2015 apparently
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aaronpk https://icalendar.org/More-Info/about-the-icalendar-validator.html
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[tantek] gregorlove++ and thanks aaronpk++
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gRegorLove what is icalendar?
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Loqi ICS (AKA iCal or iCalendar file / feed) is a format for calendar files (a form of feed file) used by many programs such as Apple Calendar and Google Calendar, and can be used to share and subscribe to calendars across different systems https://indieweb.org/iCalendar
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[jgmac1106] For those following tie details/summary discussion https://marcozehe.de/2019/12/16/call-to-action-html-needs-more-native-rich-widgets/
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[tantek] YES
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] worth adding to a11y
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